Is all criticism of Israel antisemitic?

[Insaanistan]

You call a religious demographic pathological threats then try to backpedal from countries treating them as threats. Nice.

I mean, if you think genocide and ethnic cleansing is the only way to respond to an existential threat, you're the one who's got a problem.

Hello Brother,
Qur'ân verses:
[2:190] “You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors.”
[2:192] “If they refrain, then GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.”
[2:193] “You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship GOD freely. If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors.”
[2:195] “And spend of your substance in the cause of Allah, and make not your own hands contribute to (your) destruction; but do good; for Allah loveth those who do good.”
[76:8-9]”And feed with food the needy wretch, the orphan and the prisoner, for love of Him (saying) : We feed you, for the sake of Allah only. We wish for no reward nor thanks from you..”

I'm not your "brother", and I don't give a flying fuck what your book says. I've read it more times than you'll ever will, and I'm more than familiar with the normal way a Muslim tries to pretend his religion is somehow humanitarian. I'm putting you on ignore from now on.

Hello Brother,
Even if you ignore me, I'm spreading peace, brother. I've read the Qur'ân in Arabic and English several times over, and found nothing but peace and virtue. If you have a problem with us, it's okay. I pray God puts love in your heart, and if not, God always knows best. Call us what you want, the adhaan will still heard in every corner of the world. May God bless you.

[Insaanistan]

Hello Brother,
What you said is offensive. Being in a country doesn’t mean you have to abandon your ways to fit in. You can be a citizen without having to be part of a homogeneous mass. We Muslims attach to our original roots (if they are immediate and not to that nation), but just because someone native to the nation eats bacon, or listens to music full of profanities, or goes to church every Sunday, or has multiple gods, or dresses immodestly doesn’t mean we have to.

"Attaching to your original routes" is inherently an immediate and existential threat to any and all form of civilization when those roots are the Sunnat and Quran of Muhammad. Even then, if Muslims just "attached to their roots", it would be one thing. Muslims actively try to enforce their ridiculous delusions on society in general. And I don't give a fuck what offends a Muslim lmao.

Hello Brother,
How are our roots contrary to civilization. Have you not heard of Ibn Firnas? Khalifah al-Harun? Al-Khwarizimi? Al-Biruni? Ibn Haytham? Al-Jabar? And Islam says to follow all laws of the nation you are in that don’t stop us from being Muslims, not make all non-Muslims follow our laws.

[Bear Stearns]

Is criticism of the US anti-American?

[Gormwood]

Is criticism of the US anti-American?

Republicans think so.

[Bear Stearns]

Is criticism of the US anti-American?

Republicans think so.

please go back to 2004

[Fahran]

Is criticism of the US anti-American?

Depends on what you criticize but, in many contexts, yes.

[Gim]

Is criticism of the US anti-American?

Depends on what you criticize but, in many contexts, yes.

Um, it's black or white. Isn't it obvious?

[Fahran]

Depends on what you criticize but, in many contexts, yes.

Um, it's black or white. Isn't it obvious?

There's some people on the left (they're on the right too but in much smaller numbers) who kinda seem to hate America's existence, ideals, and society and want to replace them with something utterly unrecognizable. That said, you can be critical of government policies, social injustices, and whatnot without necessarily hating an entire nation or political community. And it's often hard to tell who is who unless they out themselves.

[Gim]

Um, it's black or white. Isn't it obvious?

There's some people on the left (they're on the right too but in much smaller numbers) who kinda seem to hate America's existence, ideals, and society and want to replace them with something utterly unrecognizable. That said, you can be critical of government policies, social injustices, and whatnot without necessarily hating an entire nation or political community. And it's often hard to tell who is who unless they out themselves.

The shades of "grey". I missed that; thank you for the clarification.

[Outer Sparta]

Um, it's black or white. Isn't it obvious?

There's some people on the left (they're on the right too but in much smaller numbers) who kinda seem to hate America's existence, ideals, and society and want to replace them with something utterly unrecognizable. That said, you can be critical of government policies, social injustices, and whatnot without necessarily hating an entire nation or political community. And it's often hard to tell who is who unless they out themselves.

I criticize American foreign policy, but I do realize America has a lot of potential to do good in the world (and probably has). That's what being a patriot is all about, instead of simply hating x just for the sake of it. I criticize Israel's human rights abuses not just because I hate Israel, but to call out human rights abuses of any side, including Palestine.

[Gim]

There's some people on the left (they're on the right too but in much smaller numbers) who kinda seem to hate America's existence, ideals, and society and want to replace them with something utterly unrecognizable. That said, you can be critical of government policies, social injustices, and whatnot without necessarily hating an entire nation or political community. And it's often hard to tell who is who unless they out themselves.

I criticize American foreign policy, but I do realize America has a lot of potential to do good in the world (and probably has). That's what being a patriot is all about, instead of simply hating x just for the sake of it.

Economy declines, though, in the process, which is tragedy.

[Outer Sparta]

I criticize American foreign policy, but I do realize America has a lot of potential to do good in the world (and probably has). That's what being a patriot is all about, instead of simply hating x just for the sake of it.

Economy declines, though, in the process, which is tragedy.

I just don't like those who criticize something and don't propose how they might fix a certain policy or mediate a conflict. Criticizing something means you have a desire to improve, whereas if you hate something outright that makes you blind to how to solve the problem.

[Myrensis]

Is criticism of the US anti-American?

In the same way that if you criticize Nazi Germany, you clearly hate all Germans and want them to be completely exterminated.

[Gim]

Economy declines, though, in the process, which is tragedy.

I just don't like those who criticize something and don't propose how they might fix a certain policy or mediate a conflict. Criticizing something means you have a desire to improve, whereas if you hate something outright that makes you blind to how to solve the problem.

Honestly, some people are young, and they might not know the details as to resolve a particular problem or particular problems. I think the best way to act is just to bear with them. Ad hominem, as people say.

[Outer Sparta]

I just don't like those who criticize something and don't propose how they might fix a certain policy or mediate a conflict. Criticizing something means you have a desire to improve, whereas if you hate something outright that makes you blind to how to solve the problem.

Honestly, some people are young, and they might not know the details as to resolve a particular problem or particular problems. I think the best way to act is just to bear with them. Ad hominem, as people say.

I go with the lines of a two-state solution to resolve the Israel-Palestine conflict, but it's clear that the divisiveness stemming from 4000 years of history as well as the 20th century may be too much to overcome. A one-state Israeli solution will most likely lead to further oppression of the Palestinians. As I always say about this conflict, it's complicated.

[Fahran]

There's some people on the left (they're on the right too but in much smaller numbers) who kinda seem to hate America's existence, ideals, and society and want to replace them with something utterly unrecognizable. That said, you can be critical of government policies, social injustices, and whatnot without necessarily hating an entire nation or political community. And it's often hard to tell who is who unless they out themselves.

I criticize American foreign policy, but I do realize America has a lot of potential to do good in the world (and probably has). That's what being a patriot is all about, instead of simply hating x just for the sake of it. I criticize Israel's human rights abuses not just because I hate Israel, but to call out human rights abuses of any side, including Palestine.

That's a reasonable stance. I'm critical of Amerca's foreign policy at the moment as well, albeit probably for somewhat different reasons. And, while I do criticize human rights abuses, I comprehend why polities often behave in ways that are amoral or even immoral for the good of the political community and society they represent - which is, first and foremost, their principal objective and function. I can criticize them while understanding what prompts such unsavory decisions.

[Gim]

I criticize American foreign policy, but I do realize America has a lot of potential to do good in the world (and probably has). That's what being a patriot is all about, instead of simply hating x just for the sake of it. I criticize Israel's human rights abuses not just because I hate Israel, but to call out human rights abuses of any side, including Palestine.

That's a reasonable stance. I'm critical of Amerca's foreign policy at the moment as well, albeit probably for somewhat different reasons. And, while I do criticize human rights abuses, I comprehend why polities often behave in ways that are amoral or even immoral for the good of the political community and society they represent - which is, first and foremost, their principal objective and function. I can criticize them while understanding what prompts such unsavory decisions.

America now wants to benefit monetarily from foreign policies, while maintaining a Pacific union without the consideration of some nations, in case, maintenance of GSOMIA between Korea and Japan. Very unfair.

[Outer Sparta]

I criticize American foreign policy, but I do realize America has a lot of potential to do good in the world (and probably has). That's what being a patriot is all about, instead of simply hating x just for the sake of it. I criticize Israel's human rights abuses not just because I hate Israel, but to call out human rights abuses of any side, including Palestine.

That's a reasonable stance. I'm critical of Amerca's foreign policy at the moment as well, albeit probably for somewhat different reasons. And, while I do criticize human rights abuses, I comprehend why polities often behave in ways that are amoral or even immoral for the good of the political community and society they represent - which is, first and foremost, their principal objective and function. I can criticize them while understanding what prompts such unsavory decisions.

That's the key distinction to make when analyzing such conflicts like Israel-Palestine. Diving right into hating Israel or hating Palestine isn't going to solve any problems.

[Fahran]

America now wants to benefit monetarily from foreign policies, while maintaining a Pacific union without the consideration of some nations, in case, maintenance of GSOMIA between Korea and Japan. Very unfair.

America has a good many reasons to mistrust nations in East Asia when it comes to trade deals. The Chinese have no respect for intellectual property rights, no qualms about dumping surplus goods to undercut local producers, and a penchant for engaging in government-sponsored corporate subterfuge. The Japanese have a market that isn't amenable to America's agricultural products, a habit of leaving fish imports on the docks to rot with a tangle of red tape as an excuse, and an incredibly robust automobile industry that, together with the German and Italian automobile industries, has dramatically changed the game when it comes to vehicles. Engaging in free trade with either country has some drawbacks and thus any trade deal should consider which industries we want to preserve and where we can gain concessions. That doesn't mean we have to give them a raw deal but it does warrant consideration.

[Satuga]

Is criticism of the US anti-American?

Republicans think so.

I'm a Republican, I've criticized the US before, this is a crude generalization of an entire political party. Criticism is all in context to who will and will not agree with you. Such as gun control, or police disarmament for instance.

[Outer Sparta]

Republicans think so.

I'm a Republican, I've criticized the US before, this is a crude generalization of an entire political party. Criticism is all in context to who will and will not agree with you. Such as gun control, or police disarmament for instance.

I think it was referred to the party leadership. There's a distinction to be made between regular Republicans and those in Congress and criticism is often aimed at those at the top, similar to criticism of Israel is aimed at their government.

[Satuga]

I think it was referred to the party leadership. There's a distinction to be made between regular Republicans and those in Congress and criticism is often aimed at those at the top, similar to criticism of Israel is aimed at their government.

I can see that, but more often I see people point things like this at the people(us) who are the ones constantly debating and talking with one another.

[Betoni]

I'm not sure it matters whether people get offended by legitimate criticism of Israeli policies and they label it as antisemitic, it certainly has no bearing on the legitimacy of such criticism. If all criticism of Israel is antisemitic and some criticism of Israel is legitimate then it follows that some antisemitism is legitimate.

[Fahran]

I'm not sure it matters whether people get offended by legitimate criticism of Israeli policies and they label it as antisemitic, it certainly has no bearing on the legitimacy of such criticism. If all criticism of Israel is antisemitic and some criticism of Israel is legitimate then it follows that some antisemitism is legitimate.

By and large, when you have large numbers of Jewish intellectuals, rabbis, and normal people calling you racist, you're probably just racist. The reason Anti-Zionism gets as much as flack as it does is because a lot of Anti-Zionists are closeted Antisemites. We really need to stop pretending that it isn't a significant problem with that policy position.

[Gormwood]

I'm not sure it matters whether people get offended by legitimate criticism of Israeli policies and they label it as antisemitic, it certainly has no bearing on the legitimacy of such criticism. If all criticism of Israel is antisemitic and some criticism of Israel is legitimate then it follows that some antisemitism is legitimate.

By and large, when you have large numbers of Jewish intellectuals, rabbis, and normal people calling you racist, you're probably just racist. The reason Anti-Zionism gets as much as flack as it does is because a lot of Anti-Zionists are closeted Antisemites. We really need to stop pretending that it isn't a significant problem with that policy position.

And the overall effect is to stifle even legitimate criticism of the Israeli government out of fear of being labeled anti-semetic.