Is all criticism of Israel antisemitic?

[Auristania]

Criticizing Israel's use of white phosphorus is not antisemitic, so no.

Most criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic, but not all.

The simple test is do they criticise other nations who do the same thing.

[Ifreann]

Criticizing Israel's use of white phosphorus is not antisemitic, so no.

Most criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic, but not all.

The simple test is do they criticise other nations who do the same thing.

The other countries who occupy Palestine?

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Criticizing Israel's use of white phosphorus is not antisemitic, so no.

Most criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic, but not all.

The simple test is do they criticise other nations who do the same thing.

yet another post that confuses me on what your opinions are

[Dogmeat]

Criticizing Israel's use of white phosphorus is not antisemitic, so no.

Most criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic, but not all.

The simple test is do they criticise other nations who do the same thing.

This is simply an invitation for whataboutism.

[Fahran]

Most criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic, but not all.

The simple test is do they criticise other nations who do the same thing.

The other countries who occupy Palestine?

Other nations who have engaged or who are engaging in ethnic cleansing. Like every Arab nation-state with significant ethnic minorities, Pakistan, India, Russia, China, the US, Canada, Myanmar, etc. etc. etc. If you only have an issue when it's Jews purging Arabs, it's possible that you only care about Arab interests or that you're a bigot.

[Fahran]

Most criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic, but not all.

The simple test is do they criticise other nations who do the same thing.

This is simply an invitation for whataboutism.

No, it's a litmus test for Antisemitism. If you only care about the bad things Jews or black people do them, you're probably racist.

[DACOROMANIA]

If you are forbidden to criticize a government or some politics / politicians ... then there is tyranny.
This apply for every type of politics.

[Dogmeat]

This is simply an invitation for whataboutism.

No, it's a litmus test for Antisemitism. If you only care about the bad things Jews or black people do them, you're probably racist.

Or you simply haven't expressed your views on the other bad stuff, because it's not part of the current conversation.

But just to be sure, let's all ask, "whatabout..." and pretend it's not just a transparent dodge.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

No, it's a litmus test for Antisemitism. If you only care about the bad things Jews or black people do them, you're probably racist.

Or you simply haven't expressed your views on the other bad stuff, because it's not part of the current conversation.

But just to be sure, let's all ask, "whatabout..." and pretend it's not just a transparent dodge.

That's not really what's being said, though?

[Fahran]

No, it's a litmus test for Antisemitism. If you only care about the bad things Jews or black people do them, you're probably racist.

Or you simply haven't expressed your views on the other bad stuff, because it's not part of the current conversation.

But just to be sure, let's all ask, "whatabout..." and pretend it's not just a transparent dodge.

Nonsense. Multiple people here have engaged with the accusations against Israel. That said, if a Jewish person steps into the public sphere and is constantly bombarded with questions about Israeli human rights abuses regardless of the topic, as Labour activists did in the UK with every Jewish politician and activist, you're well within your rights to ask them why they care so much about a single issue that they're willing to steer other conversations into it. The simple answer is that a lot of the criticism of Israel is bound up in the othering of Jews and in Antisemitism.

If I bring up how black people commit a disproportionate number of crimes in the US or how Muslims commit a disproportionate number of global terror attacks over and over again, people are eventually going to begin to wonder if maybe my interest in those issues has more to do with me painting a particular ethnic/racial group in a negative light as opposed to an honest and earnest desire to have a conversation about fixing social problems.

[Grahnol]

not really ethnic cleansing if you're removing enemy sympathisers from an active warzone is it? I'm sure plenty of the people who get appalled by it and use it as some sort of proof that they're nothing more than evil genocidal communists would be fine with western countries deporting ISIS supporters.

That's a dangerous precedent to set, but, in any case, Rojava and Iraqi Kurdistan have wound up as de facto Kurdish states, often with some objections from local Arabs and Turkomans, who feel underrepresented and oppressed by the majority population. It's not really accurate to assert that Israel is different from other nation-states in how it operates. It's pretty much acting in the same way as a lot of the Arab states have acted since 1948, albeit slowly and more methodically.

Well, I don't oppose the partition and I guess they do have a point. Please take note of the part where I said I supported Palestinian independence. I think a completely neutral Israel incorporating both groups is less desireable than allowing a Palestinian state and an Israeli state, partly because I'm not a fan of the whole neutrality thing. Also, the Jewish population of the US disappearing in a few centuries? I think that's pretty absurd to think about and also unlikely. As for the first point, I guess it's true that post-racial and post-religious ideologies aren't popular in many regions of the world but I think we as a whole are making strides to such goal. Israel should and is going into that direction and I like that. Honestly, we should apply the post-racial and post-religious thing everywhere in the world.

I support the traditional two-state solution with a few moderations intended to better appease both sides. I'm not really keen to embrace the post-national and post-religious narratives that have been peddled throughout the twentieth century because economic man makes me want to cry and I like the beautiful diversity of the world when it comes to cultures and traditions. As for assimilation, It's likelier than you think at the current rates.

Mind you, I'm not in favour of removing the diversity of cultures in the world. I think countries with diverse cultures are just fine. I'm not even what you would really call a post-nationalist or post-religious person. I am, though, big on the post-racial thing, where race no longer becomes something someone is judged based on, where someone's race no longer counts into their place in society, where race doesn't dictate how institutions position that person in the grand scheme of things. Everyone can and should keep their cultures and can still identify as part of a race, removing one's culture and destroying their identity is pretty cringe. I strive for a future where race isn't a primary factor in someone's place in society or how people or individuals see them. Race isn't the face of an individual in my opinion. Being post-racial and support for cultural diversity (and being against a global culture taking over other cultures) can co-exist.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Or you simply haven't expressed your views on the other bad stuff, because it's not part of the current conversation.

But just to be sure, let's all ask, "whatabout..." and pretend it's not just a transparent dodge.

Nonsense. Multiple people here have engaged with the accusations against Israel. That said, if a Jewish person steps into the public sphere and is constantly bombarded with questions about Israeli human rights abuses regardless of the topic, as Labour activists did in the UK with every Jewish politician and activist, you're well within your rights to ask them why they care so much about a single issue that they're willing to steer other conversations into it. The simple answer is that a lot of the criticism of Israel is bound up in the othering of Jews and in Antisemitism.

If I bring up how black people commit a disproportionate number of crimes in the US or how Muslims commit a disproportionate number of global terror attacks over and over again, people are eventually going to begin to wonder if maybe my interest in those issues has more to do with me painting a particular ethnic/racial group in a negative light as opposed to an honest and earnest desire to have a conversation about fixing social problems.

Maybe Jews wouldn't be othered if Israel didn't claim to represent all Jews around the world and claim that Jews are a nation, not a people? People make accusations of dual loyalty because the Israeli government openly promotes the idea that all Jews have to be loyal to it. That said, there are many Jews who oppose the Israeli government, but Israel accuses them of being race-traitors, essentially.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Maybe Jews wouldn't be othered if Israel didn't claim to represent all Jews around the world and claim that Jews are a nation, not a people? People make accusations of dual loyalty because the Israeli government openly promotes the idea that all Jews have to be loyal to it.

This sounds a lot like victim blaming.

[Vassenor]

You're right it isn't anti-semitic and should definitely be pointed out, that being said Palestinians hasn't been the nicest of people either and should also be pointed out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict.
Also i'm not sure if you're serious about the no borders thing, so I will say you are and argue against it with the fact it totally undermines national safety and the safety of the public, we have legal processes for a reason. That being to stop any potential terrorists, major criminals attempting to flee their country, helping to stop drug cartels, and to make sure those who do immigrate have proper papers and registration to the state, I mean do you know the types of tax evasions people could do if there were "no borders"?

The no borders thing was an ace combat shit post

PJ is best anime waifu don't @ me.

[United Usonia]

Of course not. The Israeli government has done some pretty bad things and they should be criticized for it.

[Ieskarios]

No. I don't understand how some people out there can think that any criticism of Israel is somehow an antisemitic attack.

[Rost Dreadnorramus]

Yes it is antisemitic.

[Vassenor]

Yes it is antisemitic.

Why?

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Yes it is antisemitic.

seeing as you're such a big fan of Star Wars, would you like to tell us about the character "Watto"

[The Sapmi]

No. Anti-Semitism would only be achieved if I were to attack Jewish people themselves. By that logic, any criticism of Saudi Arabia would have to be Islamophobic.

[Novus America]

No. I don't understand how some people out there can think that any criticism of Israel is somehow an antisemitic attack.

Well of course not all criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic. Reasonable criticism is NOT.

The issue is there are some blatant anti-Semites who claiming they are being “anti-Israel” as a shield which then makes it easier to unfairly paint all critics of Israel as anti-Semitic.

For example if I say “I disagree with Israeli settlements in the West Bank” that is not inherently anti-Semitic. And is a perfectly valid viewpoint.

If I say however “Israel controls the world through George Soros” now that is definitely going down an anti-Semitic road (George Soros and the Israeli government hate each other, and Soros is not a supporter of Israel).

If I do the whole “all Jews do the bidding of Israel” I cannot use validly “I am not anti-Semitic, just anti-Israel”, although many try.

Or if I say “Israel should be destroyed, and all Jews there sent to the US” yeah, that is anti Semitic. Not just anti-Israel.

Also if I hold Israel to an absurd double standard that gets questionable as to why I am doing it.

Most critics of Israel are NOT being anti-Semitic but some are, and some extreme criticisms of it are (as outlined above).

Of course this issue is not unique to Israel, for example PRC defenders often claim any criticism of the PRC is anti-Chinese which is of course also absurd.

There is bad faith on both sides. Some fanatical defenders of Israel will wrongly claim valid, legitimate criticism of Israel as “anti-Semitic”, while on the other hands some anti-Semites will claim anti-Semitism is just being “anti-Israel” instead.

And because enough bad faith arguments get tossed around, extremists of all stripes deliberately can exploit that.

[Outer Sparta]

Yes it is antisemitic.

So you're saying every criticism, including the reasonable ones such as pointing out Israel's human rights abuses, is anti-Semitic? Elaborate on how that would be anti-Semitic.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Maybe Jews wouldn't be othered if Israel didn't claim to represent all Jews around the world and claim that Jews are a nation, not a people? People make accusations of dual loyalty because the Israeli government openly promotes the idea that all Jews have to be loyal to it.

This sounds a lot like victim blaming.

But it's just fine when the Israeli government says non-zionist Jews are "fake Jews." The Israeli government makes use of antisemitic tropes to try to coerce Jews into supporting it.

[Rojava Free State]

Criticizing Israel's use of white phosphorus is not antisemitic, so no.

Most criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic, but not all.

The simple test is do they criticise other nations who do the same thing.

No most criticism of israel isn't antisemitic. Many of the same people have condemned Saudi Arabia for its horrific war crimes in Yemen and yet everyone still wants to pretend that people like me dislike the government of Israel for being jewish, when it fact I dislike them for being pieces of shit

[Rojava Free State]

Yes it is antisemitic.

So you're saying every criticism, including the reasonable ones such as pointing out Israel's human rights abuses, is anti-Semitic? Elaborate on how that would be anti-Semitic.

Apparently holding Jewish people accountable for their actions is now racist