Drongonia wrote:Crockerland wrote:>"The Holocaust didn't happen"
>"Uhh what? That's insane, why would you say-"
>"Wooow can't even criticize Israel these days"
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Motte_and_bailey
Literally nobody thinks it's antisemitic to criticize Israel, this is a position that exists only in the minds of people who constantly whine about their alleged inability to do so.
Just look at Rostavykhan in this very thread voicing support for the white supremacist "America First" groyper army that harasses TPU speakers for not hating Jews, blacks, and gay people sufficiently.
Of course it would be lost on the average person not "in the know" that Rostavykhan is referencing the Groyper Army lead by Nick Fuentes, whose Youtube channel "America First" is where the name of the slogan comes from. Nick Fuentes denies the Holocaust, abhors race mixing, and hates people who are not white, and sets loose his Groyper Army on anyone who disagrees, with his main target being Charlie Kirk of Turning Point USA.
But if you're against Holocaust deniers, neo-nazis, and white supremacists, you're against "America First" and "Criticizing Israel". That's the power of hiding reprehensible positions behind an inoffensive slogan, also known as dog-whistle politics.
So no, if you criticize Israel because you don't like their tax policy or their ridiculous marriage laws where even atheist couples are forced to go through religious institutions to get married, that's not antisemitic. If you advocate for terrorist groups or neo-nazis that want to exterminate Jews, or you hate Israel based on baseless conspiracy theories that they're "subverting the white race", and you call that "criticism of Israel", it's still antisemitic.
Hoooooo boy. I know this isn't the thread here but there's a bit to defend my boy Nick over.
a) He's not a white supremacist - Nick is a mixed-race guy himself and has had multiple superchatters ask him if their race is alright in his future imagined state, and of course he says yes because it wouldn't be an ethno-state. He reaffirms time and time again that he isn't a white nationalist or a white supremacist (he in fact calls them cringe).
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/11/11/20948317/alt-right-donald-trump-jr-conservative-tpusa-yaf-racism-antisemitism
But this is pure semantics, as Fuentes is a white nationalist and an avowed anti-Semite who referred to Daily Wire writer Matt Walsh as a “shabbos goy race traitor” for condemning the El Paso, Texas, gunman who killed more than 20 people in August. In fact, in an interview with a French Canadian white nationalist, Fuentes said that the only reason he didn’t call himself a white nationalist is because “that kind of terminology is used almost exclusively by the left to defame.”
“I think in a way it’s almost redundant that you’re a ‘white’ nationalist. We know that the word ‘nation’ almost implicitly talks about ethnicity and biology,” Fuentes said.
Drongonia wrote:c) You don't seem to be "In the know" about his supposed holocaust denial. He was reading a superchat of a fan, which he even admits was in bad taste - but they were not his words. You can even see him going "oh no... no no no" while he's reading it in the clip.
Yeah, and then he goes "the math doesn't seem to add up there, I don't think the result would be six million, maybe 200-300 thousand" on his own, while not reading the superchat.
