by US-SSR » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:34 pm
by Rojava Free State » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:43 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by US-SSR » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:18 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Hoda should be left to rot in Syria where she belongs for aiding in war crimes and terrorism. She gave up her right to be an American when she turned on everyone and she deserves to never see her homeland again.
Same for Shamima Begum. Leave these ISIS fighters trapped in Syria. They're monsters who had no problem violating human rights but now they demand we recognize theirs.
by Telconi » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:21 am
US-SSR wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:Hoda should be left to rot in Syria where she belongs for aiding in war crimes and terrorism. She gave up her right to be an American when she turned on everyone and she deserves to never see her homeland again.
Same for Shamima Begum. Leave these ISIS fighters trapped in Syria. They're monsters who had no problem violating human rights but now they demand we recognize theirs.
The only way for an individual who acquired US citizenship at birth to lose it is for that person to renounce US citizenship before a consular officer overseas. No other action and no public official can remove that right. I remain confident a higher court will uphold this bedrock principle, established in the Constitution and maintained in the US Courts for over a century. Should the government choose to charge and prosecute her after her return it would be within its rights; but it cannot deny a bona fide citizen the right to return to the US via Tweet.
by Urran » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:26 am
The Blood Ravens wrote: How wonderful. Its like Japan, and 1950''s America had a baby. All the racism of the 50s, and everything else Japanese.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:32 am
Urran wrote:Joining a terrorist organization that pillages, rapes, enslaves, and burns people alive in cages is tantamount to treason. Ruling she was never a US citizen, if I understand that that is what has happened, is a moot point as she definitely deserves to lose her citizenship now.
by Urran » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:36 am
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Until I see the judgement however I'll refrain from making kneejerk assumptions based on the political leanings of the judge. However, I agree with the OP that if she ever had united states citizenship she should be allowed to return to the united states.
The Blood Ravens wrote: How wonderful. Its like Japan, and 1950''s America had a baby. All the racism of the 50s, and everything else Japanese.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:39 am
Urran wrote:Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Until I see the judgement however I'll refrain from making kneejerk assumptions based on the political leanings of the judge. However, I agree with the OP that if she ever had united states citizenship she should be allowed to return to the united states.
Well, I can agree with that, but it IS a law that you lose your US citizenship by joining a foreign military. Joining a militant terrorist organization certainly fits, especially since ISIS wishes to create a caliphate, which is for all intents and purposes a theocratic state.
by Urran » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:42 am
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Strange that, they're a military when it suits America to class them as one, but not when it doesn't. Like treating their captured soldiers as prisoners of war, for example.
The Blood Ravens wrote: How wonderful. Its like Japan, and 1950''s America had a baby. All the racism of the 50s, and everything else Japanese.
by The Alma Mater » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:46 am
US-SSR wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:Hoda should be left to rot in Syria where she belongs for aiding in war crimes and terrorism. She gave up her right to be an American when she turned on everyone and she deserves to never see her homeland again.
Same for Shamima Begum. Leave these ISIS fighters trapped in Syria. They're monsters who had no problem violating human rights but now they demand we recognize theirs.
The only way for an individual who acquired US citizenship at birth to lose it is for that person to renounce US citizenship before a consular officer overseas.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:51 am
The Alma Mater wrote:US-SSR wrote:
The only way for an individual who acquired US citizenship at birth to lose it is for that person to renounce US citizenship before a consular officer overseas.
Does it count if that consular officer watches through a television screen ? After all, she did renounce it publicly on tv, shredding and burning her passport and all.
by Littoral Novoroma » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:53 am
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Urran wrote:
Well, I can agree with that, but it IS a law that you lose your US citizenship by joining a foreign military. Joining a militant terrorist organization certainly fits, especially since ISIS wishes to create a caliphate, which is for all intents and purposes a theocratic state.
Strange that, they're a military when it suits America to class them as one, but not when it doesn't. Like treating their captured soldiers as prisoners of war, for example.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:54 am
Littoral Novoroma wrote:Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Strange that, they're a military when it suits America to class them as one, but not when it doesn't. Like treating their captured soldiers as prisoners of war, for example.
Yeah, let's think about the human rights of people who have no regard for them...
by Littoral Novoroma » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:55 am
by Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:59 am
by Littoral Novoroma » Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:05 am
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Littoral Novoroma wrote:
You are comparing the Federal Government to mass murdering war criminals?
This is just too easy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War
by Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:08 am
Littoral Novoroma wrote:
Having civilians die as collateral damage is not the same as lining them up in ditches and shooting them, cutting off their heads, enslaving them, ...
The Federal Government did not conspire to eliminate civilians, a thing which can not be said for these maniacs.
by Purpelia » Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:09 am
Urran wrote:Joining a terrorist organization that pillages, rapes, enslaves, and burns people alive in cages is tantamount to treason. Ruling she was never a US citizen, if I understand that that is what has happened, is a moot point as she definitely deserves to lose her citizenship now.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:10 am
Purpelia wrote:Urran wrote:Joining a terrorist organization that pillages, rapes, enslaves, and burns people alive in cages is tantamount to treason. Ruling she was never a US citizen, if I understand that that is what has happened, is a moot point as she definitely deserves to lose her citizenship now.
No it is not. Joining a group that does evil does not make you a traitor. Joining a foreign military group directly in conflict with your nation and its military however is. And not just tantamount to but literal treason. The western world is in war with ISIS, whether we call it war or not. And thus anyone who joins ISIS is no different than someone running off to join the germans during WW2. It's joining the military of a foreign power at war with your nation. And that is treason by definition.
by Littoral Novoroma » Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:14 am
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Littoral Novoroma wrote:
Having civilians die as collateral damage is not the same as lining them up in ditches and shooting them, cutting off their heads, enslaving them, ...
The Federal Government did not conspire to eliminate civilians, a thing which can not be said for these maniacs.
What do you think happened in CIA black sites? Do you think they just got lonely so decided to invite a lot of the locals over for tea and biscuits?
by Urran » Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:17 am
Purpelia wrote:No it is not. Joining a group that does evil does not make you a traitor. Joining a foreign military group directly in conflict with your nation and its military however is. And not just tantamount to but literal treason. The western world is in war with ISIS, whether we call it war or not. And thus anyone who joins ISIS is no different than someone running off to join the germans during WW2. It's joining the military of a foreign power at war with your nation. And that is treason by definition.
The Blood Ravens wrote: How wonderful. Its like Japan, and 1950''s America had a baby. All the racism of the 50s, and everything else Japanese.
by Pacomia » Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:20 am
by Littoral Novoroma » Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:21 am
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Purpelia wrote:No it is not. Joining a group that does evil does not make you a traitor. Joining a foreign military group directly in conflict with your nation and its military however is. And not just tantamount to but literal treason. The western world is in war with ISIS, whether we call it war or not. And thus anyone who joins ISIS is no different than someone running off to join the germans during WW2. It's joining the military of a foreign power at war with your nation. And that is treason by definition.
Had the united states engaged isis when she joined?
And did she actually serve in the military?
by Purpelia » Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:25 am
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Purpelia wrote:No it is not. Joining a group that does evil does not make you a traitor. Joining a foreign military group directly in conflict with your nation and its military however is. And not just tantamount to but literal treason. The western world is in war with ISIS, whether we call it war or not. And thus anyone who joins ISIS is no different than someone running off to join the germans during WW2. It's joining the military of a foreign power at war with your nation. And that is treason by definition.
Had the united states engaged isis when she joined?
And did she actually serve in the military?
by Thermodolia » Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:50 am
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