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Postby Satuga » Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:55 am

Ifreann wrote:
Satuga wrote:And many here disagree with you, including me. In my and many others eyes what Navarro said was selfish and in fact racist.

But it's not. He doesn't seem to hate white people or think they're inferior or anything like that, he just wanted more minority representation. That's not racist.

If someone is simply picked for the sake of representation they may as well be considered a token, in a Live-action they should 1st be competent and then 2nd fit the role they are playing. Like I've said before it's possible that the white actor simply played better and fit the role. Representation for the sake of representation isn't always a good thing especially when it starts to alienate one race over the other( Minority leads should be picked first because representation rather than a mix between the two to represent everyone) So yes I view his ideal as racist as it starts to alienate one race.
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Postby Risottia » Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:57 am

Ifreann wrote:
Satuga wrote:This has been going on for a while, people claiming that because a lead role is a white person they must not be diverse. Honestly this literally just pushes the thought that "Diversity means less white people" which shouldn't be true at all, it should mean everyone is included not just one race/skin color.

Including everyone instead of having nothing but white people does mean fewer white people. There are only so many films being made, you know.

Considering how Indian movies sell some 3.6 billion tickets/year compared to Hollywood's 2.6 billion (2001 data), I say Bollywood must either quit casting so many Indians or start making less movies. ;)
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Postby Satuga » Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:57 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Oh ok. That's waaaay past the viking era though.

Yeah more like the late medieval era to early common era than anything (hence the castle)
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:03 am

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Ifreann wrote:Including everyone instead of having nothing but white people does mean fewer white people. There are only so many films being made, you know.

Considering how Indian movies sell some 3.6 billion tickets/year compared to Hollywood's 2.6 billion (2001 data), I say Bollywood must either quit casting so many Indians or start making less movies. ;)


I notice no one is pushing for more white representation in Indian films. Strange
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:03 am

Satuga wrote:
Ifreann wrote:But it's not. He doesn't seem to hate white people or think they're inferior or anything like that, he just wanted more minority representation. That's not racist.

If someone is simply picked for the sake of representation...

Who said that that should happen? I said that I think that Navarro wanted more minority representation. I didn't say that I think he wanted it to the exclusion of any and all other concerns.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:05 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Risottia wrote:Considering how Indian movies sell some 3.6 billion tickets/year compared to Hollywood's 2.6 billion (2001 data), I say Bollywood must either quit casting so many Indians or start making less movies. ;)


I notice no one is pushing for more white representation in Indian films. Strange


English people playing the baddie is already a trope in America, lets not get it stated in Bollywood...

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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:05 am

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Satuga wrote:If someone is simply picked for the sake of representation...

Who said that that should happen? I said that I think that Navarro wanted more minority representation. I didn't say that I think he wanted it to the exclusion of any and all other concerns.


He had a hissy fit online over one of the lead actors being white. Navarro's idea of "more representation" seems to be operation 0 whites, because he already gets to see a black ariel and I'm sure she's not the only black person in the movie either. The fact the skin color of the actor playing Prince Eric was enough to make him this mad is proof that yes, Christian Navarro is at least kind of racist
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:11 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Risottia wrote:Considering how Indian movies sell some 3.6 billion tickets/year compared to Hollywood's 2.6 billion (2001 data), I say Bollywood must either quit casting so many Indians or start making less movies. ;)


I notice no one is pushing for more white representation in Indian films. Strange

Is there a lack of white representation in Indian films?
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:20 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Who said that that should happen? I said that I think that Navarro wanted more minority representation. I didn't say that I think he wanted it to the exclusion of any and all other concerns.


He had a hissy fit online over one of the lead actors being white. Navarro's idea of "more representation" seems to be operation 0 whites, because he already gets to see a black ariel and I'm sure she's not the only black person in the movie either.

You're concluding that he must want zero white people because he wanted this role to go to a non-white person, but that doesn't make a lick of sense.
The fact the skin color of the actor playing Prince Eric was enough to make him this mad is proof that yes, Christian Navarro is at least kind of racist

Ah yes, the idea that racism is when you care about race.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:24 am

Ifreann wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
I notice no one is pushing for more white representation in Indian films. Strange

Is there a lack of white representation in Indian films?


Yes, because the way you get into Bollywood is usually nepotism. Also, you have to learn to speak Hindi.

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:31 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Is there a lack of white representation in Indian films?


Yes, because the way you get into Bollywood is usually nepotism. Also, you have to learn to speak Hindi.

Couldn't claim to know anything about Bollywood, personally.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:11 am

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Napkizemlja wrote:Not inherently, but quite often they are especially in the United States where it's pretty much the norm. It's actually considered something noteworthy if a gang is considered to be rather open to diverse ethnic backgrounds.


Verona is rather notably not in the United States.

It's not set in Verona, New Jersey?





...now I totally want to do a version of Romeo & Juliet set in Verona, New Jersey. Everyone wears track suits.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:15 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
I notice no one is pushing for more white representation in Indian films. Strange


English people playing the baddie is already a trope in America, lets not get it stated in Bollywood...

Your accent makes people think you’re cultured and well educated, which makes the baddie more compelling.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:16 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Verona is rather notably not in the United States.

It's not set in Verona, New Jersey?





...now I totally want to do a version of Romeo & Juliet set in Verona, New Jersey. Everyone wears track suits.


Better yet, Hatfields and McCoys - The Forbidden Love. The least deformed on leaves her cousin and rifle fire ensues.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:19 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Risottia wrote:Considering how Indian movies sell some 3.6 billion tickets/year compared to Hollywood's 2.6 billion (2001 data), I say Bollywood must either quit casting so many Indians or start making less movies. ;)


I notice no one is pushing for more white representation in Indian films. Strange

Skintone is a big issue in Bollywood cinema. Did you think a country of one billion people wasn't at least a little ethnically diverse?
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:20 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Verona is rather notably not in the United States.

It's not set in Verona, New Jersey?





...now I totally want to do a version of Romeo & Juliet set in Verona, New Jersey. Everyone wears track suits.

Two households, both alike in dignity,
On the Jersey shore, where we lay our scene,
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:20 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:It's not set in Verona, New Jersey?





...now I totally want to do a version of Romeo & Juliet set in Verona, New Jersey. Everyone wears track suits.


Better yet, Hatfields and McCoys - The Forbidden Love. The least deformed on leaves her cousin and rifle fire ensues.

Edipus Rex set in a trailer park. The duels take place in Bobcat tractors.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:21 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Is there a lack of white representation in Indian films?


Yes, because the way you get into Bollywood is usually nepotism. Also, you have to learn to speak Hindi.

Whatever, you get cool cars. What do you want?
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Postby Ors Might » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:56 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
I notice no one is pushing for more white representation in Indian films. Strange


English people playing the baddie is already a trope in America, lets not get it stated in Bollywood...

To be fair, for a length of time y’all were the real life baddie for both America and India.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:58 am

Ors Might wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
English people playing the baddie is already a trope in America, lets not get it stated in Bollywood...

To be fair, for a length of time y’all were the real life baddie for both America and India.

You don't get an empire the sun never sets on without breaking eeeeeeverybody's eggs.
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Postby Ors Might » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:59 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Ors Might wrote:To be fair, for a length of time y’all were the real life baddie for both America and India.

You don't get an empire the sun never sets on without breaking eeeeeeverybody's eggs.

The one thing we can all bond over is hatred for the English :p
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:02 am

Ors Might wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:You don't get an empire the sun never sets on without breaking eeeeeeverybody's eggs.

The one thing we can all bond over is hatred for the English :p

Except for the Canadians. We tried to get them to join the band and they burnt down our clubhouse.
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Postby Alvecia » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:03 am

Ors Might wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:You don't get an empire the sun never sets on without breaking eeeeeeverybody's eggs.

The one thing we can all bond over is hatred for the English :p

Even the English

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Postby Ors Might » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:05 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Ors Might wrote:The one thing we can all bond over is hatred for the English :p

Except for the Canadians. We tried to get them to join the band and they burnt down our clubhouse.

The maple syrup flavored bootlickers..
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