MAGAThread XVIII: The Authority Is Total

[Greater Miami Shores]

More evidence President Trump did not do anything wrong and these impeachment investigations by the Democrats is just trying to get anything they can twist against President Trump to hurt him politically with independent voters and the American People during the election season: Their are many similar ways of saying it, but no other ways of saying it:

Democrats Tried To Alter Their Trump Impeachment Playbook And It's Blowing Up In Their Faces

It’s going to be a long, tortured week. Thus far, we have witnesses who have not really given anything that’s noteworthy in this impeachment witch-hunt. The quid pro quo allegations are still shoddy. Most of the witnesses are career government officials who simply don’t like President Trump. They disagree with him on policy, so they’re now part of a quasi-coup hatched by Democrats, the media, and members of the anti-Trump deep state resistance.

Oh, but don’t call these people Never Trumpers. No. They’re nonpartisan, which is why they’re participating in one of the most partisan political vendettas in recent memory, with Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), chair of the House Intelligence Committee, directing the effort.

Schiff has lied about having contact with the supposed whistleblower, who alleges that Trump threatened to withhold aid from Ukraine during a July phone call with their political leadership unless a corruption probe was opened into Hunter Biden, son of Joe Biden, who held a cushy job at an energy company, despite having zero experience. The allegation is that his $50,000/month board position was used to secure access to Obama officials. Burisma hired him in 2014; around the time daddy Biden was quarterbacking anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine.

Schiff’s staff and the whistleblower worked together and his office knew of the contents of the complaint before it was formally filed. Talk about collusion. This person is reportedly a CIA agent, a registered Democrat, and has worked with a 2020 Democratic candidate. Oh, yeah—this isn’t a partisan fishing expedition at all. And this guy didn’t listen in on the call; someone leaked the details.

During the afternoon session with Kurt Volker, U.S. special representative for Ukraine, and Tim Morrison, an adviser on the White House National Security Council, Schiff lied again when he mischaracterized the morning testimony of Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, who thought Trump's phone call with Ukraine was inappropriate, but not illegal. Schiff emphasized the latter, which is false.
Tim Morrison confirms He Believed Ukraine Call Was Not Illegal - Twitter Video
https://publish.twitter.com/?query=http ... dget=Tweet

Mark Meadows From Twitter:
Question: "Mr. Morrison, on the July 25th call, you were in the room. Did anything concern you on the call?
https://publish.twitter.com/?query=http ... dget=Tweet
Morrison: "No."

From Twitter: Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg:
"I was on the much-reported July 25 call between President Donald Trump and President Zelensky."

"I heard nothing wrong or improper on the call. I had and have no concerns"
https://
twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1
196906260265930752
…
https://publish.twitter.com/?query=http ... dget=Tweet

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa ... l-n2556739

I Rest my Points again for now - an expression.

[Vassenor]

More evidence President Trump did not do anything wrong and these impeachment investigations by the Democrats is just trying to get anything they can twist against President Trump to hurt him politically with independent voters and the American People during the election season: Their are many similar ways of saying it, but no other ways of saying it:

Democrats Tried To Alter Their Trump Impeachment Playbook And It's Blowing Up In Their Faces

It’s going to be a long, tortured week. Thus far, we have witnesses who have not really given anything that’s noteworthy in this impeachment witch-hunt. The quid pro quo allegations are still shoddy. Most of the witnesses are career government officials who simply don’t like President Trump. They disagree with him on policy, so they’re now part of a quasi-coup hatched by Democrats, the media, and members of the anti-Trump deep state resistance.

Oh, but don’t call these people Never Trumpers. No. They’re nonpartisan, which is why they’re participating in one of the most partisan political vendettas in recent memory, with Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), chair of the House Intelligence Committee, directing the effort.

Schiff has lied about having contact with the supposed whistleblower, who alleges that Trump threatened to withhold aid from Ukraine during a July phone call with their political leadership unless a corruption probe was opened into Hunter Biden, son of Joe Biden, who held a cushy job at an energy company, despite having zero experience. The allegation is that his $50,000/month board position was used to secure access to Obama officials. Burisma hired him in 2014; around the time daddy Biden was quarterbacking anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine.

Schiff’s staff and the whistleblower worked together and his office knew of the contents of the complaint before it was formally filed. Talk about collusion. This person is reportedly a CIA agent, a registered Democrat, and has worked with a 2020 Democratic candidate. Oh, yeah—this isn’t a partisan fishing expedition at all. And this guy didn’t listen in on the call; someone leaked the details.

During the afternoon session with Kurt Volker, U.S. special representative for Ukraine, and Tim Morrison, an adviser on the White House National Security Council, Schiff lied again when he mischaracterized the morning testimony of Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, who thought Trump's phone call with Ukraine was inappropriate, but not illegal. Schiff emphasized the latter, which is false.
Tim Morrison confirms He Believed Ukraine Call Was Not Illegal - Twitter Video
https://publish.twitter.com/?query=http ... dget=Tweet

Mark Meadows From Twitter:
Question: "Mr. Morrison, on the July 25th call, you were in the room. Did anything concern you on the call?
https://publish.twitter.com/?query=http ... dget=Tweet
Morrison: "No."

From Twitter: Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg:
"I was on the much-reported July 25 call between President Donald Trump and President Zelensky."

"I heard nothing wrong or improper on the call. I had and have no concerns"
https://
twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1
196906260265930752
…
https://publish.twitter.com/?query=http ... dget=Tweet

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa ... l-n2556739

I Rest my Points again for now - an expression.

So because an article on a Conservative opinion site said so it must be true?

Townhall is a hotbed for wingnut paranoia. It has a severe persecution complex and sees liberalism everywhere, which is trying to destroy Christianity and democracy as we know it. Like most websites on the radical right blogosphere it has many columns opposing the "gay agenda",[1] abortion,[2] the "liberal media" (which is almost all of the media), universal healthcare,[3] and Barack Obama. It promotes global warming denialism,[4] the Iraq War,[5] torture,[6] and, oddly, Sarah Palin. There is an inherent disdain and paranoia towards Europe, Hollywood, and "liberal elites" such as Al Gore. For whatever reason, random attacks on John McCain and his daughter Meghan McCain for not being "true conservative Republicans" is a running theme as well.

[Greater Miami Shores]

More evidence President Trump did not do anything wrong and these impeachment investigations by the Democrats is just trying to get anything they can twist against President Trump to hurt him politically with independent voters and the American People during the election season: Their are many similar ways of saying it, but no other ways of saying it:

Democrats Tried To Alter Their Trump Impeachment Playbook And It's Blowing Up In Their Faces

It’s going to be a long, tortured week. Thus far, we have witnesses who have not really given anything that’s noteworthy in this impeachment witch-hunt. The quid pro quo allegations are still shoddy. Most of the witnesses are career government officials who simply don’t like President Trump. They disagree with him on policy, so they’re now part of a quasi-coup hatched by Democrats, the media, and members of the anti-Trump deep state resistance.

Oh, but don’t call these people Never Trumpers. No. They’re nonpartisan, which is why they’re participating in one of the most partisan political vendettas in recent memory, with Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), chair of the House Intelligence Committee, directing the effort.

Schiff has lied about having contact with the supposed whistleblower, who alleges that Trump threatened to withhold aid from Ukraine during a July phone call with their political leadership unless a corruption probe was opened into Hunter Biden, son of Joe Biden, who held a cushy job at an energy company, despite having zero experience. The allegation is that his $50,000/month board position was used to secure access to Obama officials. Burisma hired him in 2014; around the time daddy Biden was quarterbacking anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine.

Schiff’s staff and the whistleblower worked together and his office knew of the contents of the complaint before it was formally filed. Talk about collusion. This person is reportedly a CIA agent, a registered Democrat, and has worked with a 2020 Democratic candidate. Oh, yeah—this isn’t a partisan fishing expedition at all. And this guy didn’t listen in on the call; someone leaked the details.

During the afternoon session with Kurt Volker, U.S. special representative for Ukraine, and Tim Morrison, an adviser on the White House National Security Council, Schiff lied again when he mischaracterized the morning testimony of Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, who thought Trump's phone call with Ukraine was inappropriate, but not illegal. Schiff emphasized the latter, which is false.
Tim Morrison confirms He Believed Ukraine Call Was Not Illegal - Twitter Video
https://publish.twitter.com/?query=http ... dget=Tweet

Mark Meadows From Twitter:
Question: "Mr. Morrison, on the July 25th call, you were in the room. Did anything concern you on the call?
https://publish.twitter.com/?query=http ... dget=Tweet
Morrison: "No."

From Twitter: Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg:
"I was on the much-reported July 25 call between President Donald Trump and President Zelensky."

"I heard nothing wrong or improper on the call. I had and have no concerns"
https://
twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1
196906260265930752
…
https://publish.twitter.com/?query=http ... dget=Tweet

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa ... l-n2556739

I Rest my Points again for now - an expression.

So because an article on a Conservative opinion site said so it must be true?

Townhall is a hotbed for wingnut paranoia. It has a severe persecution complex and sees liberalism everywhere, which is trying to destroy Christianity and democracy as we know it. Like most websites on the radical right blogosphere it has many columns opposing the "gay agenda",[1] abortion,[2] the "liberal media" (which is almost all of the media), universal healthcare,[3] and Barack Obama. It promotes global warming denialism,[4] the Iraq War,[5] torture,[6] and, oddly, Sarah Palin. There is an inherent disdain and paranoia towards Europe, Hollywood, and "liberal elites" such as Al Gore. For whatever reason, random attacks on John McCain and his daughter Meghan McCain for not being "true conservative Republicans" is a running theme as well.

Vassenor, read the statements and see the videos of the witnesses past the conservative spins? Like I read the statements and see the videos of the witnesses past the leftist spins. So because articles on a leftist opinion site says President Donnie Trump is guilty it must be true? I see you saw my post response and disappeared off line on this site. I have seen this before from other fellow nations under the same circumstances, when I have used their own arguments in reverse that makes logical sense.

[Vassenor]

So because an article on a Conservative opinion site said so it must be true?

Vassenor, read the statements and see the videos of the witnesses past the conservative spins? Like I read the statements and see the videos of the witnesses past the leftist spins. So because articles on a leftist opinion site says President Donnie Trump is guilty it must be true?

So basically you have two people saying in their opinion it's not true. Ergo the entire thing is one massive sham based purely on the opinions of these two people.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Vassenor, read the statements and see the videos of the witnesses past the conservative spins? Like I read the statements and see the videos of the witnesses past the leftist spins. So because articles on a leftist opinion site says President Donnie Trump is guilty it must be true?

So basically you have two people saying in their opinion it's not true. Ergo the entire thing is one massive sham based purely on the opinions of these two people.

Vassenor, So basically we have two witnesses or more people testifying before the Democrats majority house committee, saying President Trump did not do anything wrong, and you and your leftists friends dismiss it. Thank you for proving me wrong and coming back to answer my post after you mysteriously disappeared for a while after you clearly saw my post response. I apologize to you for my previous comment.

[Gravlen]

More evidence President Trump did not do anything wrong

Where?

Thus far, we have witnesses who have not really given anything that’s noteworthy in this impeachment witch-hunt.

You haven't been paying attention. The witnesses have now provided first-hand evidence, and the whole (incorrect) claim about it all being hearsay or second-hand information no longer applies. That in itself is noteworthy.

This is also noteworthy:

In a further blow to Trump and his defenders, a witness requested by Republicans, the former Ukraine envoy Kurt Volker, said the investigations Trump requested of Zelenskiy were based on “conspiracy theories” and that “the allegations against Vice-President Biden were self-serving and not credible”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/19/alexander-vindman-trump-impeachment-hearings

The quid pro quo allegations are still shoddy.

Not at all. With the context provided by the testimony of the earlier witnesses, those allegations are being substantiated publicly now.

Most of the witnesses are career government officials who simply don’t like President Trump. They disagree with him on policy, so they’re now part of a quasi-coup hatched by Democrats, the media, and members of the anti-Trump deep state resistance.

This assertion is uncorroborated. Further, it's a weak attempt at deflection by attacking the persons instead of the issues.

Oh, but don’t call these people Never Trumpers. No. They’re nonpartisan, which is why they’re participating in one of the most partisan political vendettas in recent memory, with Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), chair of the House Intelligence Committee, directing the effort.

Attempted deflection continues, this time with a weak attack on the system as well.

Schiff has lied about having contact with the supposed whistleblower, who alleges that Trump threatened to withhold aid from Ukraine during a July phone call with their political leadership unless a corruption probe was opened into Hunter Biden, son of Joe Biden, who held a cushy job at an energy company, despite having zero experience. The allegation is that his $50,000/month board position was used to secure access to Obama officials. Burisma hired him in 2014; around the time daddy Biden was quarterbacking anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine.

Schiff’s staff and the whistleblower worked together and his office knew of the contents of the complaint before it was formally filed. Talk about collusion. This person is reportedly a CIA agent, a registered Democrat, and has worked with a 2020 Democratic candidate. Oh, yeah—this isn’t a partisan fishing expedition at all. And this guy didn’t listen in on the call; someone leaked the details.

The whistleblower is irrelevant now, because those leaked details... well, we're getting first hand testimony about it now.

Like this:

One of the first two witnesses Tuesday, Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council, said he was so alarmed by Trump’s “demand” on a July 25 call for Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to publicly investigate the Bidens that Vindman reported it “without hesitation” to a White House lawyer, calling it his “duty to report my concerns to the proper people in the chain of command.”

“It was inappropriate, it was improper for the president to demand an investigation into a political opponent, especially [from] a foreign power where there’s at best dubious belief that this would be a completely impartial investigation,” Vindman, a decorated Iraq war veteran, said during the hearing.

Although Trump didn’t use the word “demand,” Zelensky would have understood it that way “because of the power disparity between the two leaders,” said Vindman, who emigrated to the United States as a young child when his family fled the Soviet Union.

During the afternoon session with Kurt Volker, U.S. special representative for Ukraine, and Tim Morrison, an adviser on the White House National Security Council, Schiff lied again when he mischaracterized the morning testimony of Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, who thought Trump's phone call with Ukraine was inappropriate, but not illegal. Schiff emphasized the latter, which is false.

Tim Morrison confirms He Believed Ukraine Call Was Not Illegal - Twitter Video
https://publish.twitter.com/?query=http ... dget=Tweet

When did Schiff lie? Link please.

Mark Meadows From Twitter:
Question: "Mr. Morrison, on the July 25th call, you were in the room. Did anything concern you on the call?
https://publish.twitter.com/?query=http ... dget=Tweet
Morrison: "No."

From Twitter: Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg:
"I was on the much-reported July 25 call between President Donald Trump and President Zelensky."

"I heard nothing wrong or improper on the call. I had and have no concerns"
https://
twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1
196906260265930752
…
https://publish.twitter.com/?query=http ... dget=Tweet

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa ... l-n2556739

And? Some people not having concerns isn't evidence for Trump doing nothing inappropriate or impeachable. Enough people have voiced concerns to launch this inquiry, so the fact that some did not have concerns is irrelevant.

I Rest my Points again for now - an expression.

Just to be clear, you haven't made any points.

[Greater Miami Shores]

More evidence President Trump did not do anything wrong

Where?

Thus far, we have witnesses who have not really given anything that’s noteworthy in this impeachment witch-hunt.

You haven't been paying attention. The witnesses have now provided first-hand evidence, and the whole (incorrect) claim about it all being hearsay or second-hand information no longer applies. That in itself is noteworthy.

This is also noteworthy:

In a further blow to Trump and his defenders, a witness requested by Republicans, the former Ukraine envoy Kurt Volker, said the investigations Trump requested of Zelenskiy were based on “conspiracy theories” and that “the allegations against Vice-President Biden were self-serving and not credible”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/19/alexander-vindman-trump-impeachment-hearings

The quid pro quo allegations are still shoddy.

Not at all. With the context provided by the testimony of the earlier witnesses, those allegations are being substantiated publicly now.

Most of the witnesses are career government officials who simply don’t like President Trump. They disagree with him on policy, so they’re now part of a quasi-coup hatched by Democrats, the media, and members of the anti-Trump deep state resistance.

This assertion is uncorroborated. Further, it's a weak attempt at deflection by attacking the persons instead of the issues.

Oh, but don’t call these people Never Trumpers. No. They’re nonpartisan, which is why they’re participating in one of the most partisan political vendettas in recent memory, with Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), chair of the House Intelligence Committee, directing the effort.

Attempted deflection continues, this time with a weak attack on the system as well.

Schiff has lied about having contact with the supposed whistleblower, who alleges that Trump threatened to withhold aid from Ukraine during a July phone call with their political leadership unless a corruption probe was opened into Hunter Biden, son of Joe Biden, who held a cushy job at an energy company, despite having zero experience. The allegation is that his $50,000/month board position was used to secure access to Obama officials. Burisma hired him in 2014; around the time daddy Biden was quarterbacking anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine.

Schiff’s staff and the whistleblower worked together and his office knew of the contents of the complaint before it was formally filed. Talk about collusion. This person is reportedly a CIA agent, a registered Democrat, and has worked with a 2020 Democratic candidate. Oh, yeah—this isn’t a partisan fishing expedition at all. And this guy didn’t listen in on the call; someone leaked the details.

The whistleblower is irrelevant now, because those leaked details... well, we're getting first hand testimony about it now.

Like this:

One of the first two witnesses Tuesday, Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council, said he was so alarmed by Trump’s “demand” on a July 25 call for Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to publicly investigate the Bidens that Vindman reported it “without hesitation” to a White House lawyer, calling it his “duty to report my concerns to the proper people in the chain of command.”

“It was inappropriate, it was improper for the president to demand an investigation into a political opponent, especially [from] a foreign power where there’s at best dubious belief that this would be a completely impartial investigation,” Vindman, a decorated Iraq war veteran, said during the hearing.

Although Trump didn’t use the word “demand,” Zelensky would have understood it that way “because of the power disparity between the two leaders,” said Vindman, who emigrated to the United States as a young child when his family fled the Soviet Union.

During the afternoon session with Kurt Volker, U.S. special representative for Ukraine, and Tim Morrison, an adviser on the White House National Security Council, Schiff lied again when he mischaracterized the morning testimony of Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, who thought Trump's phone call with Ukraine was inappropriate, but not illegal. Schiff emphasized the latter, which is false.

Tim Morrison confirms He Believed Ukraine Call Was Not Illegal - Twitter Video
https://publish.twitter.com/?query=http ... dget=Tweet

When did Schiff lie? Link please.

Mark Meadows From Twitter:
Question: "Mr. Morrison, on the July 25th call, you were in the room. Did anything concern you on the call?
https://publish.twitter.com/?query=http ... dget=Tweet
Morrison: "No."

From Twitter: Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg:
"I was on the much-reported July 25 call between President Donald Trump and President Zelensky."

"I heard nothing wrong or improper on the call. I had and have no concerns"
https://
twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1
196906260265930752
…
https://publish.twitter.com/?query=http ... dget=Tweet

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa ... l-n2556739

And? Some people not having concerns isn't evidence for Trump doing nothing inappropriate or impeachable. Enough people have voiced concerns to launch this inquiry, so the fact that some did not have concerns is irrelevant.

I Rest my Points again for now - an expression.

Just to be clear, you haven't made any points.

I strongly disagree with you Gravlen, I have made many good points, but I am not surprised you and your leftists friends dismiss them.

[Vassenor]

Where?


You haven't been paying attention. The witnesses have now provided first-hand evidence, and the whole (incorrect) claim about it all being hearsay or second-hand information no longer applies. That in itself is noteworthy.

This is also noteworthy:

In a further blow to Trump and his defenders, a witness requested by Republicans, the former Ukraine envoy Kurt Volker, said the investigations Trump requested of Zelenskiy were based on “conspiracy theories” and that “the allegations against Vice-President Biden were self-serving and not credible”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/19/alexander-vindman-trump-impeachment-hearings


Not at all. With the context provided by the testimony of the earlier witnesses, those allegations are being substantiated publicly now.


This assertion is uncorroborated. Further, it's a weak attempt at deflection by attacking the persons instead of the issues.


Attempted deflection continues, this time with a weak attack on the system as well.


The whistleblower is irrelevant now, because those leaked details... well, we're getting first hand testimony about it now.

Like this:

One of the first two witnesses Tuesday, Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council, said he was so alarmed by Trump’s “demand” on a July 25 call for Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to publicly investigate the Bidens that Vindman reported it “without hesitation” to a White House lawyer, calling it his “duty to report my concerns to the proper people in the chain of command.”

“It was inappropriate, it was improper for the president to demand an investigation into a political opponent, especially [from] a foreign power where there’s at best dubious belief that this would be a completely impartial investigation,” Vindman, a decorated Iraq war veteran, said during the hearing.

Although Trump didn’t use the word “demand,” Zelensky would have understood it that way “because of the power disparity between the two leaders,” said Vindman, who emigrated to the United States as a young child when his family fled the Soviet Union.

When did Schiff lie? Link please.


And? Some people not having concerns isn't evidence for Trump doing nothing inappropriate or impeachable. Enough people have voiced concerns to launch this inquiry, so the fact that some did not have concerns is irrelevant.


Just to be clear, you haven't made any points.

I strongly disagree with you Gravlen, I have made many good points, but I am not surprised you and your leftists friends dismiss them.

"This is a political attack because I said so" is not a good point. Especially when your evidence so far has included things like "Schiff wanted the Republicans to actually question the witness rather than showboat".

[Greater Miami Shores]

I strongly disagree with you Gravlen, I have made many good points, but I am not surprised you and your leftists friends dismiss them.

"This is a political attack because I said so" is not a good point. Especially when your evidence so far has included things like "Schiff wanted the Republicans to actually question the witness rather than showboat".

I said, I strongly disagree with you Gravlen, I have made many good points, but I am not surprised you and your leftists friends dismiss them. This is not a political attack, this is saying we disagree which we do disagree and Gravlen dismisses it, like you and I disagree Vassenor and you dismiss my points.

I have not shown any evidence Democrat Adam Schiff wanted the Republicans to actually question the witness rather than showboat, those are your opinions not your facts. But I have shown Democrat Adam Schiff called Republicans not recognized when he clearly did not want them to make certain comments and ask questions in defense of President Trump he thought he would not like.

No deflections and no showboating, just the Republicans trying to defend President Trump against the Democrats charges against him, as they are supposed to do. As you expect Democrats to do if it were a Democrat President facing charges against him by the Republicans like with Democrat President Bill Clinton.

Watch the video again or for the first time from the leftist Politico source:

Not Recognized (Democrat Adam) Schiff Clashes with Republicans:
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/1 ... id=impch_m
Watch Democrat Adam Schiff say to Republican xxxxxxxx the gentleman is not recognized. To the Republican Lady is not recognized.

Bonus Video:
Former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch Admits Having No Knowledge of Trump Criminal Activity
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019 ... -activity/

I Rest my Points again for now - an American expression.

[Gravlen]

Just to be clear, you haven't made any points.

I strongly disagree with you Gravlen, I have made many good points, but I am not surprised you and your leftists friends dismiss them.

I haven't dismissed them. I can't dismiss what isn't there, can I? You're not even trying - but that isn't new. We see it yet again here.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I strongly disagree with you Gravlen, I have made many good points, but I am not surprised you and your leftists friends dismiss them.

I haven't dismissed them. I can't dismiss what isn't there, can I? You're not even trying - but that isn't new. We see it yet again here.

Again Gravlen you did dismiss my points you disagree with. Just because you disagree with them does not make them not my points. I see it here again.

[Insaanistan]

There are no facts, the witnesses have only provided second or third hand accounts

The transcript wasn't a fact? The people who have confirmed the words on the call aren't a fact?

What would you call a fact?

Exactly, thank you! And the transcript isn’t the only thing I was talking about. Essentially, the Mueller Report concluded that there is substantial evidence that he colluded with Russia, but he is a sitting President, and couldn’t be indicted.

[Gravlen]

I haven't dismissed them. I can't dismiss what isn't there, can I? You're not even trying - but that isn't new. We see it yet again here.

Again Gravlen you did dismiss my points you disagree with. Just because you disagree with them does not make them not my points. I see it here again.

What point?

[Greater Miami Shores]

Again Gravlen you did dismiss my points you disagree with. Just because you disagree with them does not make them not my points. I see it here again.

What point?

Gravlen, Re Read my original posts above in full context which you dismissed, oh what the heck here it is again since you asked, back to First Base:
viewtopic.php?p=36446971#p36446971

viewtopic.php?p=36451932#p36451932

[Gravlen]

What point?

Gravlen, Re Read my original posts above in full context which you dismissed, oh what the heck here it is again since you asked, back to First Base:
viewtopic.php?p=36446971#p36446971

viewtopic.php?p=36451932#p36451932

I've read them. I've responded to the last one. I asked what you think your point is, because you're not making a point in any of those posts. We know you love your repetitious copy/paste responses, but are you incapable of actually articulating a point?

[Greater Miami Shores]

Gravlen, Re Read my original posts above in full context which you dismissed, oh what the heck here it is again since you asked, back to First Base:
viewtopic.php?p=36446971#p36446971

viewtopic.php?p=36451932#p36451932

I've read them. I've responded to the last one. I asked what you think your point is, because you're not making a point in any of those posts. We know you love your repetitious copy/paste responses, but are you incapable of actually articulating a point?

For your information I did not copy paste any response I typed my response. My point is all these persons testified President Trump did not do anything wrong as the video and their statements make very clear, which you apparently or supposedly dismissed and you are not the only one who has so called dismissed them.

[Gravlen]

I've read them. I've responded to the last one. I asked what you think your point is, because you're not making a point in any of those posts. We know you love your repetitious copy/paste responses, but are you incapable of actually articulating a point?

For your information I did not copy paste any response I typed my response. My point is all these persons testified President Trump did not do anything wrong as the video and their statements make very clear, which you apparently or supposedly dismissed and you are not the only one who has so called dismissed them.

Finally. That was like pulling teeth.

Ok.

You're wrong. They haven't testified that Trump did "nothing wrong".

Ambassador Taylor had no direct contact with Trump, but he had contact with his underlings - many of whom will testify. He paints a picture and provides context to those testimonies.

Ambassador Yovanovitch says she had no knowledge of Trump being engaged in criminal activity. Criminality isn't the yardstick here, it's whether Trump's conduct was appropriate. Ambassador Yovanovitch gave context to the testimony which came later and is still to come, and showed Trump acting inappropriately in dealing with her.

The testimony of Tim Morrison and Kurt Volker has been dealt with above, but to repeat: That Morrison wasn't concerned about what happened on the phone call doesn't mean anything when so many others were.

In sum, their testimony corroborates the information available, and paints a worrying picture of Trump acting inappropriately. And if you want evidence that what Trump did was wrong, you can do a simple thing: Read the transcript (which isn't a transcript).

[Greater Miami Shores]

You have to find a crime first fam

The prosecution's got that down.

The Democrats biased prosecution is very clearly trying to find any Political dirt they can find and twist against President Trump to declare him a criminal they can remove from office or hurt politically during the 2020 elections, the evidence of my statement is very clear and very obvious.

[Greater Miami Shores]

For your information I did not copy paste any response I typed my response. My point is all these persons testified President Trump did not do anything wrong as the video and their statements make very clear, which you apparently or supposedly dismissed and you are not the only one who has so called dismissed them.

Finally. That was like pulling teeth.

Ok.

You're wrong. They haven't testified that Trump did "nothing wrong".

Ambassador Taylor had no direct contact with Trump, but he had contact with his underlings - many of whom will testify. He paints a picture and provides context to those testimonies.

Ambassador Yovanovitch says she had no knowledge of Trump being engaged in criminal activity. Criminality isn't the yardstick here, it's whether Trump's conduct was appropriate. Ambassador Yovanovitch gave context to the testimony which came later and is still to come, and showed Trump acting inappropriately in dealing with her.

The testimony of Tim Morrison and Kurt Volker has been dealt with above, but to repeat: That Morrison wasn't concerned about what happened on the phone call doesn't mean anything when so many others were.

In sum, their testimony corroborates the information available, and paints a worrying picture of Trump acting inappropriately. And if you want evidence that what Trump did was wrong, you can do a simple thing: Read the transcript (which isn't a transcript).

It wasn't like puling teeth, my posts and points were very clear, you just did not like my points, disagreed with them and dismissed them. Wrong Gravlen It is not the job of diplomats to make Presidential policy or to disagree with the President, their job is to support the President's foreign policy goals and carry them out. All Presidents and world leaders have a right to appoint or fire any diplomat they don't like for any reasons including President Trump. None of the persons in the video called by the Democrats testifying have provided any damaging information against President Trump as the Democrats charge.

The Democrats have nothing against President Trump. The Diplomats have made statements indicating President Trump has not done anything wrong.

But the independent voters and the American people are seeing Democrat Adam Schiff block Republicans from asking and making certain comments he thinks they are going to ask and make he does not like, while he can make and twist any comments he wants against President Trump. I have not copy pasted this response, I typed this response, contrary to popular beliefs on nation states by many of my fellow nations, I type my responses, I don't copy paste my responses.

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[Zurkerx]

Somethings you may have missed today from the hearings.

While Morrison and Volker rejected the idea that there was no "Quid Quo Pro" and or "Bribery", they also rejected the GOP's conspiracy theories of Ukraine helping in the election and told the committee about their discomfort about Giuliani. Morrison pointing out that some of the things Trump talked about weren't on the talking points on the call and essentially said investigating the Bidens "was not a policy objective," which dealt a blow into Trump's insistence that he had no personal stake in pressuring Zelensky for investigations.

The best part probably though was about Rep. Nunes:

In a Freudian slip, GOP Rep. Devin Nunes referred to Volker and Morrison as "your witnesses" while speaking to Democrats. But both men were on the GOP witness list. Nunes' flub is a telling sign of how badly the impeachment hearing went for Republicans, as their own witnesses undermined their defense of the president.

I'm sure the GOP was taken by surprised by that. Tomorrow's witness, Gordon Sondland, will heighten the anticipation.

It's probably a step too far to think Nunes is representative of the GOP mindset. I mean, he might have seen a cow he didn't liked before he spoke and got rattled, or maybe he was preoccupied with thinking about which Twitter accounts to sue next.

You know, since Nunes is a litigious milk dud and a treasonous cowpoke who has a farm in Iowa.

Well, it probably does go far though given what we've seen, they shouldn't be surprised on why they are treated and viewed that way. I should note that Republicans acted in a somewhat similar manner regarding Nixon: they rejected everything into the investigation of Nixon. However, that did suddenly changed when new stuff came out. Today's testimony from Sondland will either solidify both sides or it'll break one (that would be the GOP).

[Greater Miami Shores]

It's probably a step too far to think Nunes is representative of the GOP mindset. I mean, he might have seen a cow he didn't liked before he spoke and got rattled, or maybe he was preoccupied with thinking about which Twitter accounts to sue next.

You know, since Nunes is a litigious milk dud and a treasonous cowpoke who has a farm in Iowa.

Well, it probably does go far though given what we've seen, they shouldn't be surprised on why they are treated and viewed that way. I should note that Republicans acted in a somewhat similar manner regarding Nixon: they rejected everything into the investigation of Nixon. However, that did suddenly changed when new stuff came out. Today's testimony from Sondland will either solidify both sides or it'll break one (that would be the GOP).

Zurkerx, would you say the Democrats are acting similar to the Republicans when my fellow Republicans impeached Democrat President Bill Clinton for political reasons not for justice in America, which I have called wrong, dumb and stupid? Any one else can also answer the question?

[Vassenor]

Honestly after Benghazi the GOP kind of lost all right to complain about "political prosecutions".

[Zurkerx]

Well, it probably does go far though given what we've seen, they shouldn't be surprised on why they are treated and viewed that way. I should note that Republicans acted in a somewhat similar manner regarding Nixon: they rejected everything into the investigation of Nixon. However, that did suddenly changed when new stuff came out. Today's testimony from Sondland will either solidify both sides or it'll break one (that would be the GOP).

Zurkerx, would you say the Democrats are acting similar to the Republicans when my fellow Republicans impeached Democrat President Bill Clinton for political reasons not for justice in America, which I have called wrong, dumb and stupid? Any one else can also answer the question?

Everything is political but to answer your question: it's partially political in this sense. In some way yes, Republicans and Democrats share some parallel when it came to Clinton's and Trump's impeachment. The thing is, Clinton committed perjury and obstruction of justice to hide his abuse of power in order to hide an affair with a woman. Impeachable in terms he committed crimes but no one cared (impeach and remove for Clinton was around 35% while close to 60% opposed it). Trump's case is much more severe: he's accused of soliciting a foreign government by holding up aid, which in order to get,they must investigate his political opponents (aka the Bidens), which can be considered as "bribery" as defined in the Constitution (the concept in the Constitution is broad so it covers a lot). This time, people are split with a slight plurality favoring impeachment and removal (48%) to those that oppose it (44%).

[Greater Miami Shores]

Honestly after Benghazi the GOP kind of lost all right to complain about "political prosecutions".

Honestly Benghazi is about Benghazi, this is about President Trump's impeachment by the Democrats for political reasons against President Trump and dirty political tactics by Democrat Adam Schiff, like twisting President Trumps words against him on the phone call to President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky to make it sound worse.

Republicans have a right and duty to defend President Trump against the Democrats.

Like blocking Republicans from making comments and asking questions he thinks he will not like with the excuse of not recognized as I posted about with videos links proving my point:

Scroll down to the 7 Th Video from leftist news source Politico. I have to look and find for the video on a separate more direct link;
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/1 ... id=impch_m

Watch Democrat Adam Schiff say to Republican xxxxxxxx the gentleman is not recognized. To the Republican Lady is not recognized.

[Gormwood]

Honestly after Benghazi the GOP kind of lost all right to complain about "political prosecutions".

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