MAGAThread XVIII: The Authority Is Total

[Kowani]

This is an investigation. You don’t cross-examine anybody during the investigation of anything. The trial comes later.

Also, the Republican Party is allowed to sit in during hearings. They’re on the fucking committee.

So Democrat Adam Schiff gets to make all the comments he wants, scenarios he wants, to twist President Trumps words against him and calls Republicans not recognized when they want to ask certain questions and comments, he thinks the Republicans will ask that he does not like, granted other times he has allowed them to ask questions as we have all seen on the news and videos. I am following the investigation hearings on these sources alone for now, I have my private reasons.

Watch the Poltico leftist source video of Democrat Adam Schiff, see his angry face I think he makes, their is a bonus video of Ambassador or ex Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, stating President Trump has not done any wrong or criminal to her knowledge:

Source Politico with a video:
Not Recognized (Democrat Adam) Schiff Clashes with Republicans:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019 ... -activity/

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/1 ... id=impch_m
Watch Democrat Adam Schiff say to Republican xxxxxxxx the gentleman is not recognized. To the Republican Lady is not recognized.

I Rest My Points again.

You can’t rest your points if you haven’t made any.

[San Montalbano]

Oh it’s expected. It could be shown Trump was as guilty as fuck and McConnell will block its advancement

Guilt is determined by the Senate, not the House.

how can it show him guilty as fuck if it's not a criminal trial?

that's like saying your a murderer and my band of freinds outnumber yours so your going to get charged, maybe not convicted, but purley because i have more people to send you to trial.

Trial determination at impeachment is guilty or not-guilty. Even though it's not a criminal trial the process borrows terms used in criminal proceedings.

It dosn't matter, none of this matters, your ignoring that the hearing, which is to push towards a criminal trial, is purley a political one not based in real facts or evidence but by political partisanship.

[San Montalbano]

there dosn't need to be a deep state....they just need a majority who want him removed....that's literally ALL it takes to advance impeachment to the senate.

Then why didn’t the republicans remove obama? It’s not that simple as you want to believe.

They can’t simply call Trump hitler and remove him.

Why would they need to do that? The Republicans also didn't see Obama the same as Dems see Trump, yes a lot of people didn't like Obama, but this situation has been forming for awhile with a lot of people in high places.

[Tekania]

Well the phrase "high crimes and misdemeanors" as applied to the impeachment proceeding in fact encompasses the political. The phrase was used in a broad sense in English common law which forms the basis of our system here and as the phrase was used by the Founders. In fact it is ultimately the House itself which determines what constitutes a "high crime and misdemeanor" worthy of charging the president with before the Senate.

EXACTLY MY POINT: The house decides if something is a crime, which is fucking ridiculous when you just need a majority to literally say whatever you want.

They could say "Trumps hitler reincarnated" and as long as the dem agree, it's a go.

Yeah, and it's intentionally designed to be like that. And to be blunt, I'm perfectly fine with that. If more than half of the house decides to say wearing a red tie is an impeachable offense and 2/3's of the senate decides that POTUS is guilty of that and to remove him, that is perfectly fine to me. POTUS isn't some agent of God or supreme overlord.... he's a president operating within the confines of the US Constitution.

[San Montalbano]

Listen

I don't see anything else I can reasonably do to convince anyone, that's okay, that's how the internet works

I'm just saying be careful what you wish for, that's all, thank you all for discussing things.

[The Black Forrest]

Then why didn’t the republicans remove obama? It’s not that simple as you want to believe.

They can’t simply call Trump hitler and remove him.

Why would they need to do that? The Republicans also didn't see Obama the same as Dems see Trump, yes a lot of people didn't like Obama, but this situation has been forming for awhile with a lot of people in high places.

It’s more like they couldn’t find Obama doing anything naughty like Trump has been alleged to have done.

Sure they did. They fought him on everything. Remember mcconnel saying we will make sure this president accomplishes nothing.

Point remains. Impeachment is not as simple as you suggest.

[The Black Forrest]

Listen

I don't see anything else I can reasonably do to convince anyone, that's okay, that's how the internet works

I'm just saying be careful what you wish for, that's all, thank you all for discussing things.

Removing Trump will not be the end of the united states. If he is removed; it will be because the evidence showed it was warranted.

Hell I thought the shrub was about as incompetent as you can get. I didn’t think he should be impeached.

[Tekania]

Guilt is determined by the Senate, not the House.



Trial determination at impeachment is guilty or not-guilty. Even though it's not a criminal trial the process borrows terms used in criminal proceedings.

It dosn't matter, none of this matters, your ignoring that the hearing, which is to push towards a criminal trial, is purley a political one not based in real facts or evidence but by political partisanship.

No, the hearing is towards an impeachment trial in the Senate, The senate trial is not criminal either. The most that can be imposed in trial in the senate is removal of office and banning holding any office of public trust. No criminal penalties.

[Greater Miami Shores]

So Democrat Adam Schiff gets to make all the comments he wants, scenarios he wants, to twist President Trumps words against him and calls Republicans not recognized when they want to ask certain questions and comments, he thinks the Republicans will ask that he does not like, granted other times he has allowed them to ask questions as we have all seen on the news and videos. I am following the investigation hearings on these sources alone for now, I have my private reasons.

Watch the Poltico leftist source video of Democrat Adam Schiff, see his angry face I think he makes, their is a bonus video of Ambassador or ex Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, stating President Trump has not done any wrong or criminal to her knowledge:

Source Politico with a video:
Not Recognized (Democrat Adam) Schiff Clashes with Republicans:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019 ... -activity/

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/1 ... id=impch_m
Watch Democrat Adam Schiff say to Republican xxxxxxxx the gentleman is not recognized. To the Republican Lady is not recognized.

I Rest My Points again.

You can’t rest your points if you haven’t made any.

To you and your leftist Democrat friends and anti Trumpers we have not made any points. To us Republicans and Trump supporters we have made many great valid credible points. I rest my points is my expression.

Heloin criticized my use of I rest my case, now I cant even use I rest my points lol. It seems like according to you guys we are always wrong when we defend President Trump and you guys are always right when you attack President Trump.

I for one think my posts don't sound like that, or at least I think I don't say I am right and you guys are wrong on my counter posts in any way. If we are always wrong and you guys are always right, their is nothing to talk about, argue or debate on this issue on nation states.

A few of you make fun of President Trump and our posts defending him, to us to each others, which their is nothing wrong with that, just saying it and pointing it out that is all.

[The Black Forrest]

You can’t rest your points if you haven’t made any.

To you and your leftist Democrat friends and anti Trumpers we have not made any points. To us Republicans and Trump supporters we have made many great valid credible points. I rest my points is my expression.

Heloin criticized my use of I rest my case, now I cant even use I rest my points lol. It seems like according to you guys we are always wrong when we defend President Trump and you guys are always right when you attack President Trump.

I for one think my posts don't sound like that, or at least I think I don't say I am right and you guys are wrong on my counter posts. If we are always wrong and you guys are always right, their is nothing to talk about, argue or debate on this issue on nation states.

A few of you make fun of President Trump and our posts defending him, to us to each others, which their is nothing wrong with that, just saying it and pointing it out that is all.

You haven’t rested your case or points if you keep doing it.

[Kowani]

You can’t rest your points if you haven’t made any.

To you and your leftist Democrat friends and anti Trumpers we have not made any points. To us Republicans and Trump supporters we have made many great valid credible points. I rest my points is my expression.

Heloin criticized my use of I rest my case, now I cant even use I rest my points lol. It seems like according to you guys we are always wrong when we defend President Trump and you guys are always right when you attack President Trump.

I for one think my posts don't sound like that, or at least I think I don't say I am right and you guys are wrong on my counter posts in any way. If we are always wrong and you guys are always right, their is nothing to talk about, argue or debate on this issue on nation states.

A few of you make fun of President Trump and our posts defending him, to us to each others, which their is nothing wrong with that, just saying it and pointing it out that is all.

You seem to be under the impression that all ideas are equal, or that reality is fair. This is entirely false. Your ideas about President Trump have been shown multiple times to be entirely false, based on nothing but ignorance and smokescreens. And no, “you guys think that you’re always right and I’m always wrong” is not a rebuttal or an argument. An argument is not made for the sake of an argument. Either you bring evidence, and work it coherently into your posts, with reliable sources and a proper understanding thereof, or you will be constantly responded to in the same fashion.

[Greater Miami Shores]

To you and your leftist Democrat friends and anti Trumpers we have not made any points. To us Republicans and Trump supporters we have made many great valid credible points. I rest my points is my expression.

Heloin criticized my use of I rest my case, now I cant even use I rest my points lol. It seems like according to you guys we are always wrong when we defend President Trump and you guys are always right when you attack President Trump.

I for one think my posts don't sound like that, or at least I think I don't say I am right and you guys are wrong on my counter posts in any way. If we are always wrong and you guys are always right, their is nothing to talk about, argue or debate on this issue on nation states.

A few of you make fun of President Trump and our posts defending him, to us to each others, which their is nothing wrong with that, just saying it and pointing it out that is all.

You seem to be under the impression that all ideas are equal, or that reality is fair. This is entirely false. Your ideas about President Trump have been shown multiple times to be entirely false, based on nothing but ignorance and smokescreens. And no, “you guys think that you’re always right and I’m always wrong” is not a rebuttal or an argument. An argument is not made for the sake of an argument. Either you bring evidence, and work it coherently into your posts, with reliable sources and a proper understanding thereof, or you will be constantly responded to in the same fashion.

I have with all my articles, comments and videos I have provided especially tonight Monday November 18 2019 my best Trump Impeachment Tread arguments and performance ever. Perhaps you have not seen my substance posts on the issue tonigh, you are welcomed to look them up. I Greater Miami Shores, Empiya and San Montalbano have done so. But I can assure you we are not surprised that you all don't agree with us, this is what arguments and debates are all about.

No one should post on nation states with the illusions they are going to change the other side's minds on President Trump, Impeachment or any other issues. I for one am under no such illusions, I just post my posts and defend them their substance.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

You seem to be under the impression that all ideas are equal, or that reality is fair. This is entirely false. Your ideas about President Trump have been shown multiple times to be entirely false, based on nothing but ignorance and smokescreens. And no, “you guys think that you’re always right and I’m always wrong” is not a rebuttal or an argument. An argument is not made for the sake of an argument. Either you bring evidence, and work it coherently into your posts, with reliable sources and a proper understanding thereof, or you will be constantly responded to in the same fashion.

I have with all my articles, comments and videos I have provided especially tonight Monday November 18 2019 my best Trump Impeachment Tread arguments and performance ever. Perhaps you have not seen my substance posts on the issue tonight. I Greater Miami Shores, Empiya and San Montalbano have. But I can assure you we are not surprised that you all don't agree with us, this is what arguments and debates are all about.

No one should post on nation states with the illusions they are going to change the other side's minds on President Trump, Impeachment or any other issues. I for one am under no such illusions, I just post my posts and defend them their substance.

You could make millions joining Answers in Genesis. They need talent like yours.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I have with all my articles, comments and videos I have provided especially tonight Monday November 18 2019 my best Trump Impeachment Tread arguments and performance ever. Perhaps you have not seen my substance posts on the issue tonight. I Greater Miami Shores, Empiya and San Montalbano have. But I can assure you we are not surprised that you all don't agree with us, this is what arguments and debates are all about.

No one should post on nation states with the illusions they are going to change the other side's minds on President Trump, Impeachment or any other issues. I for one am under no such illusions, I just post my posts and defend them their substance.

You could make millions joining Answers in Genesis. They need talent like yours.

Thank you for your compliment Austria-Bohemia-Hungary, I cant help it that I am trying to sound fair and balanced to both the right and the left. I wear anything any one says about me with Pride. Like from persons that know me personally. Like when Hillary called us Trump supporters deplorables and a basket of deplorables and the deplorables won, like when certain fellow nation persons on this thread and related threads have called me a snowflake, I now wear all 3 with pride, no offense made, no offense taken as far as I am concerned. To give you guys a break I will call it a night for now on the impeachment threads and go RP with any number my many nations 153 Plus nations on nation states. Peace over and out.

Hillary Clinton coined the phrase Deplorables and a Basket of Deplorables in American Politics, she deserves the credit where credit is due.

[Kowani]

You seem to be under the impression that all ideas are equal, or that reality is fair. This is entirely false. Your ideas about President Trump have been shown multiple times to be entirely false, based on nothing but ignorance and smokescreens. And no, “you guys think that you’re always right and I’m always wrong” is not a rebuttal or an argument. An argument is not made for the sake of an argument. Either you bring evidence, and work it coherently into your posts, with reliable sources and a proper understanding thereof, or you will be constantly responded to in the same fashion.

I have with all my articles, comments and videos I have provided especially tonight Monday November 18 2019 my best Trump Impeachment Tread arguments and performance ever. Perhaps you have not seen my substance posts on the issue tonight,

No, no you haven’t. Not in the slightest. You consistently link to some of the worst sources in journalism today, and when you do link to anything with a smattering of credibility, you fail entirely at integrating it into your argument.

you are welcomed to look them up.

I’ve read them. They were, unsurprisingly, bullshit.

I Greater Miami Shores,

Don’t cite yourself.

Empiya

He made one post and dipped.

and San Montalbano have done so.

Yeah, that’s gonna change my mind.

But I can assure you we are not surprised that you all don't agree with us, this is what arguments and debates are all about.

The point of a debate is not disagreeing for disagreement’s sake.

No one should post on nation states with the illusions they are going to change the other side's minds on President Trump, Impeachment or any other issues.

Thank fuck, something that’s not wrong.

I for one am under no such illusions, I just post my posts and defend them their substance.

In the same way the People’s Crusade served Jesus, yes.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Their is no way for us Pro Trumpers to ever be right on this site according to the other side. I am not surprised, I will call it a good night of arguments and debates for our side as proven by our Republican Representatives in congress in defense of President Trump. I go rest with my RP nations for the night lol.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Listen

I don't see anything else I can reasonably do to convince anyone, that's okay, that's how the internet works

I'm just saying be careful what you wish for, that's all, thank you all for discussing things.

I agree with you San Montalbano my Friend and fellow Trump supporter, good night my Friend. I will be on the nation states RP forums for a while till Tuesday November 19 2019

GMS Alberto. I don't mind persons knowing my name Alberto.

[The Black Forrest]

Their is no way for us Pro Trumpers to ever be right on this site according to the other side. I am not surprised, I will call it a good night of arguments and debates for our side as proven by our Republican Representatives in congress in defense of President Trump. I go rest with my RP nations for the night lol.

A sound arguement goes a long way here. Conspiracy theories and nuhuh arguments don’t work. Blindly following trump doesn’t help either.

[Phoenicaea]

^not so fair argument, see most of the posts: obscurantist side has got right to write as they wish, not other side fault if the page poll is plebiscitarian.

[Gravlen]

This "impeachment" is unconstitutional. The 5th and 14th amendments to the constitution guarantee due process. The democrats have violated this and by extension the constitution by failing to permit defence (Trump) from cross examining witnesses and being permitted to sit in during the "whistle blower" interviews.

The democrats never even voted to begin impeachment proceedings in the house.

How do you imagine that those amendments apply here?

[Idzequitch]

You could make millions joining Answers in Genesis. They need talent like yours.

Thank you for your compliment Austria-Bohemia-Hungary, I cant help it that I am trying to sound fair and balanced to both the right and the left.

But that's the problem. The situation isn't balanced. You talk about there being multiple sides to the story and that everyone disagrees. But as Kowani already touched on, we don't live in a world where everything is magically fair and balanced and equal. Politics is slippery enough that rarely is one side 100% right and the other 100% wrong. However, when two sides are arguing for polar opposite positions, usually one side is closer to the truth than the other. It's extremely improbable that both sides of the story deviate the exact same distance from the truth. Your argument usually seems to be that everything is about perception, and that everyone has their own opinions. But the thing about opinions is that good ones are based in factual information. If they aren't, that's an uninformed opinion and it carries a lot less weight than an informed opinion and is less likely to be true. So yes everyone has an equal right to their own opinion, but it's illogical to hold that all of these opinions are valid.

Now I know you hate it when I claim to know facts and also hate when I claim the facts support my statement, but the fact is that Trump tried to get Zelensky to do something that personally benefited Trump, namely investigating Joe Biden and hurting his public image (this is public knowledge. If you read the transcript of the call, you'll see this too). And the way he attempted to do that was by threatening to withhold American aid from Ukraine. Changing the USA government's actions for one's own personal benefit is behavior that is unacceptable and inexcusable from the office of President, regardless of who the individual is, what party they call their own, or what positions they hold.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Thank you for your compliment Austria-Bohemia-Hungary, I cant help it that I am trying to sound fair and balanced to both the right and the left.

But that's the problem. The situation isn't balanced. You talk about there being multiple sides to the story and that everyone disagrees. But as Kowani already touched on, we don't live in a world where everything is magically fair and balanced and equal. Politics is slippery enough that rarely is one side 100% right and the other 100% wrong. However, when two sides are arguing for polar opposite positions, usually one side is closer to the truth than the other. It's extremely improbable that both sides of the story deviate the exact same distance from the truth. Your argument usually seems to be that everything is about perception, and that everyone has their own opinions. But the thing about opinions is that good ones are based in factual information. If they aren't, that's an uninformed opinion and it carries a lot less weight than an informed opinion and is less likely to be true. So yes everyone has an equal right to their own opinion, but it's illogical to hold that all of these opinions are valid.

Now I know you hate it when I claim to know facts and also hate when I claim the facts support my statement, but the fact is that Trump tried to get Zelensky to do something that personally benefited Trump, namely investigating Joe Biden and hurting his public image (this is public knowledge. If you read the transcript of the call, you'll see this too). And the way he attempted to do that was by threatening to withhold American aid from Ukraine. Changing the USA government's actions for one's own personal benefit is behavior that is unacceptable and inexcusable from the office of President, regardless of who the individual is, what party they call their own, or what positions they hold.

Idz, I have always said nothing bothers me on nation states, but that is the only thing that gets me on nation states. Fellow nations sounding like they are always right we are always wrong on Trump. They don't even do that with me on Cuba my pet issue on NS for obvious reasons, they don't have any problems with me on other issues, so I have to wonder, and their is nothing wrong with that on both sides. but I don't really get as upset as I seem too. I do need to knock it off and let it go and so we don't get on unnecessary back and forth s on both sides.

You make a lot of good sounding comments on this posts.

We Republicans think President Trump has not done anything wrong and worth impeaching him for, and the Democrats have not proven their case, as I posted many posts with articles, comments, links and videos with testimony from Ambassador Bill Taylor and Marie Yovanovitch, please all of you might not have seen my post read this link:
viewtopic.php?p=36446971#p36446971
But my point is this proves it to us Republicans and Pro Trumpers but it will not prove it to the Democrats and anti Trumpers. I can assure you all I speak for all or most Republicans when I say this even a few on nation states.

It has been cool chatting with you on this these posts Idz. I really do believe and wish we all can be NS Friends and RP together despite our economic, political and social views even on President Trump. I am going to take a rest from NS for a few hours, but my computer is on nation states usually 24 hours a day 7 days a week, even if I am not online. I really am the worlds greatest insomniac, I beat the worlds record every day. Peace over and out for now.

[Totenborg]

Well the phrase "high crimes and misdemeanors" as applied to the impeachment proceeding in fact encompasses the political. The phrase was used in a broad sense in English common law which forms the basis of our system here and as the phrase was used by the Founders. In fact it is ultimately the House itself which determines what constitutes a "high crime and misdemeanor" worthy of charging the president with before the Senate.

EXACTLY MY POINT: The house decides if something is a crime, which is fucking ridiculous when you just need a majority to literally say whatever you want.

They could say "Trumps hitler reincarnated" and as long as the dem agree, it's a go.

Yet, they're not doing anything that isn't approved by the Constitution.

[Valrifell]

Well the phrase "high crimes and misdemeanors" as applied to the impeachment proceeding in fact encompasses the political. The phrase was used in a broad sense in English common law which forms the basis of our system here and as the phrase was used by the Founders. In fact it is ultimately the House itself which determines what constitutes a "high crime and misdemeanor" worthy of charging the president with before the Senate.

EXACTLY MY POINT: The house decides if something is a crime, which is fucking ridiculous when you just need a majority to literally say whatever you want.

They could say "Trumps hitler reincarnated" and as long as the dem agree, it's a go.

But because impeachment is a powerful tool to remove any officer of the United States, both sides know that to use it so frivolously would open themselves up to retaliation in the same manner since turnabout, as we all know, is fair play.

The trepidation with using impeachment for anything less than criminal is one of those things the Federalists correctly predicted.

[Samadhi]

EXACTLY MY POINT: The house decides if something is a crime, which is fucking ridiculous when you just need a majority to literally say whatever you want.

They could say "Trumps hitler reincarnated" and as long as the dem agree, it's a go.

But because impeachment is a powerful tool to remove any officer of the United States, both sides know that to use it so frivolously would open themselves up to retaliation in the same manner since turnabout, as we all know, is fair play.

The trepidation with using impeachment for anything less than criminal is one of those things the Federalists correctly predicted.

If they could just get it done so the other side can do the same. And vice versa until government is so useless it's redundant and we can evolve past the need for authority, that'd be great thanks.