MAGAThread XVIII: The Authority Is Total

[Neutraligon]

Citizens don't need refuge, they can go anywhere.

I mean, in case of a natural disaster, and if they happen to be out of their home.

Sanctuary cities/states are locations where the government and policeforce are "uncooperative" with the federal government. If they arrest someone who is an illegal immigrant, they will not notify ICE that they have done so. I believe they will also not release such a person into the care of ICE without direct orders to do so. They will not prevent ICE from detaining people, but will not offer assistance. Since the job of detaining illegals belongs to the federal government, state and local police cannot be ordered to assist.

[Phoenicaea]

debate is different in europe, since elements stay incomparable (ius soli, not health services, guarantees of right, firmness of the law eccetera).

yet what it hasnt happened before and i see it has nowadays, through different ways europe and america seek a closer situation.

[Cannot think of a name]

oh wow.

Trump is leading the field to green.

amazing.

while not to green he did make a pace lap.

what a day to remember.

And then the sky itself said "Nah, thats' a shitty way to start the race" and rained all over the track, delaying it for Monday.

[Loben The 2nd]

oh wow.

Trump is leading the field to green.

amazing.

while not to green he did make a pace lap.

what a day to remember.

And then the sky itself said "Nah, thats' a shitty way to start the race" and rained all over the track, delaying it for Monday.

You’d be amazed that common that is.

[Cannot think of a name]

And then the sky itself said "Nah, thats' a shitty way to start the race" and rained all over the track, delaying it for Monday.

You’d be amazed that common that is.

Dude, I got my first race car at the age of five. My main rival went on to win multiple NASCAR championships (well, he was everyone's rival...he didn't become NASCAR champ on accident). There is nothing you're going to tell me about racing that will surprise me.

[Salandriagado]

I don't think that they can actually legally stop ICE from doings its job, obstructing the law is generally very illegal.

Dreamers, however, usually do have protection.

Sanctuary cities and states can, that's literally the reason they exist, to stop entities like ICE from doing and deporting whoever they feel like.

Again, one of the main reason Trump and ICE hates them.

No, they just don't assist ICE. Unless you can provide some evidence for your shit, that is.

[Loben The 2nd]

You’d be amazed that common that is.

Dude, I got my first race car at the age of five. My main rival went on to win multiple NASCAR championships (well, he was everyone's rival...he didn't become NASCAR champ on accident). There is nothing you're going to tell me about racing that will surprise me.

Jeff Gordon?

[Ifreann]

Speaking of ICE, under Trump, notes taken during mandatory therapy sessions for minor asylum seekers are being used against them. Despite assurances by therapists that the sessions are confidential, the Office of Refugee Resettlement passes clinical notes to ICE, who uses them to argue for deportation, under the logic that the ORR is the legal guardian of the children in its custody and therefore has the power to share their medical files as they see fit.

[San Lumen]

Speaking of ICE, under Trump, notes taken during mandatory therapy sessions for minor asylum seekers are being used against them. Despite assurances by therapists that the sessions are confidential, the Office of Refugee Resettlement passes clinical notes to ICE, who uses them to argue for deportation, under the logic that the ORR is the legal guardian of the children in its custody and therefore has the power to share their medical files as they see fit.

But he’s not a racist they say

[Gormwood]

Speaking of ICE, under Trump, notes taken during mandatory therapy sessions for minor asylum seekers are being used against them. Despite assurances by therapists that the sessions are confidential, the Office of Refugee Resettlement passes clinical notes to ICE, who uses them to argue for deportation, under the logic that the ORR is the legal guardian of the children in its custody and therefore has the power to share their medical files as they see fit.

Bet the same people who howl at red flag laws will read about that and say "This is fine." [/dog]

[Crockerland]

Speaking of ICE, under Trump, notes taken during mandatory therapy sessions for minor asylum seekers are being used against them. Despite assurances by therapists that the sessions are confidential, the Office of Refugee Resettlement passes clinical notes to ICE, who uses them to argue for deportation, under the logic that the ORR is the legal guardian of the children in its custody and therefore has the power to share their medical files as they see fit.

Kevin explained that after his grandmother died, the gang MS-13 took over their shack. With nowhere else to go, he stayed even as gang members tortured rivals on the patio, slept in his bed and made him run their errands. The gang eventually put him to work selling drugs. “Youth denied committing murder; however, when asked if he had ever physically hurt another individual, minor stated I did things I regret,” Trevino wrote.

What Kevin regretted most, he would later testify in asylum proceedings, was what had happened to his cousin Ramon. Ramon had refused to join MS-13, Kevin would testify, and the gang had kidnapped him in retaliation. Kevin asked the gang leaders to spare his cousin, but instead, they ordered him to come to a shack by a river and join in the torture. Ramon was already in a heap on the floor when Kevin arrived, and had begged for his help. “Please,” Kevin remembered him saying, “You are my flesh and blood.” Terrified to disobey gang orders, Kevin had walked up and kicked his cousin once in the chest, then backed away as the others moved in. When night fell, Kevin snuck out of the shack and hurried toward the dark riverbank. He heard shots behind him and knew his cousin was dead.

The attorney went back to the New Hope report. “Okay, and you also sold drugs for MS-13? And you did that for a year and a half?”

Kevin acknowledged that he had.

“Okay, so you mentioned that at age 16, your responsibility was to be a lookout?” the attorney asked, quoting the word lookout from the report.

“I was forced to, yes,” Kevin said.

“And that your involvement in the gang included ‘physically assaulting victims?’ ”

“Yes,” Kevin said. “I was forced to commit those kinds of acts.”

Wow, they're not sending their best!

Good. It's insane to propose that if someone admits to being part of a violent criminal gang, and admits to helping them assault and murder people, that shouldn't be discussed in a court hearing to see whether or not they should be let into the country. The Globalist Left has truly gone off the fucking deep end to be arguing this point.

[Ifreann]

Speaking of ICE, under Trump, notes taken during mandatory therapy sessions for minor asylum seekers are being used against them. Despite assurances by therapists that the sessions are confidential, the Office of Refugee Resettlement passes clinical notes to ICE, who uses them to argue for deportation, under the logic that the ORR is the legal guardian of the children in its custody and therefore has the power to share their medical files as they see fit.

Kevin explained that after his grandmother died, the gang MS-13 took over their shack. With nowhere else to go, he stayed even as gang members tortured rivals on the patio, slept in his bed and made him run their errands. The gang eventually put him to work selling drugs. “Youth denied committing murder; however, when asked if he had ever physically hurt another individual, minor stated I did things I regret,” Trevino wrote.

What Kevin regretted most, he would later testify in asylum proceedings, was what had happened to his cousin Ramon. Ramon had refused to join MS-13, Kevin would testify, and the gang had kidnapped him in retaliation. Kevin asked the gang leaders to spare his cousin, but instead, they ordered him to come to a shack by a river and join in the torture. Ramon was already in a heap on the floor when Kevin arrived, and had begged for his help. “Please,” Kevin remembered him saying, “You are my flesh and blood.” Terrified to disobey gang orders, Kevin had walked up and kicked his cousin once in the chest, then backed away as the others moved in. When night fell, Kevin snuck out of the shack and hurried toward the dark riverbank. He heard shots behind him and knew his cousin was dead.

The attorney went back to the New Hope report. “Okay, and you also sold drugs for MS-13? And you did that for a year and a half?”

Kevin acknowledged that he had.

“Okay, so you mentioned that at age 16, your responsibility was to be a lookout?” the attorney asked, quoting the word lookout from the report.

“I was forced to, yes,” Kevin said.

“And that your involvement in the gang included ‘physically assaulting victims?’ ”

“Yes,” Kevin said. “I was forced to commit those kinds of acts.”

Wow, they're not sending their best!

Good. It's insane to propose that if someone admits to being part of a violent criminal gang, and admits to helping them assault and murder people, that shouldn't be discussed in a court hearing to see whether or not they should be let into the country. The Globalist Left has truly gone off the fucking deep end to be arguing this point.

Therapy sessions for children in federal custody should be exclusively for helping those children deal with the situation they are in, they shouldn't be evidence gathering missions.

[Galloism]

That’s not how sanctuary cities work. Trying to stop federal agents from enforcing federal law is a crime.

They just don’t have to help.

Then, how do sanctuary cities work? Aren't they supposed to provide refuge to citizens?

Not really. Basically, in our system, you can’t stop the feds.

A really good historical example is prohibition. The feds made alcohol illegal. Several states explicitly made it illegal for the local authorities to take any step to help the feds with this. Ergo, if a federal agent saw you with alcohol, he could arrest you. But state/city/county police couldn’t in those states, and were explicitly barred by law from even telling the feds.

The state essentially said “you have to enforce it yourself”.

And since there’s relatively few federal agents, it didn’t get enforced very well (although, in that case, they tried).

Sanctuary cities follow that same Batman-like principle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPNI4D2HyX4

[Gormwood]

Speaking of ICE, under Trump, notes taken during mandatory therapy sessions for minor asylum seekers are being used against them. Despite assurances by therapists that the sessions are confidential, the Office of Refugee Resettlement passes clinical notes to ICE, who uses them to argue for deportation, under the logic that the ORR is the legal guardian of the children in its custody and therefore has the power to share their medical files as they see fit.

Kevin explained that after his grandmother died, the gang MS-13 took over their shack. With nowhere else to go, he stayed even as gang members tortured rivals on the patio, slept in his bed and made him run their errands. The gang eventually put him to work selling drugs. “Youth denied committing murder; however, when asked if he had ever physically hurt another individual, minor stated I did things I regret,” Trevino wrote.

What Kevin regretted most, he would later testify in asylum proceedings, was what had happened to his cousin Ramon. Ramon had refused to join MS-13, Kevin would testify, and the gang had kidnapped him in retaliation. Kevin asked the gang leaders to spare his cousin, but instead, they ordered him to come to a shack by a river and join in the torture. Ramon was already in a heap on the floor when Kevin arrived, and had begged for his help. “Please,” Kevin remembered him saying, “You are my flesh and blood.” Terrified to disobey gang orders, Kevin had walked up and kicked his cousin once in the chest, then backed away as the others moved in. When night fell, Kevin snuck out of the shack and hurried toward the dark riverbank. He heard shots behind him and knew his cousin was dead.

The attorney went back to the New Hope report. “Okay, and you also sold drugs for MS-13? And you did that for a year and a half?”

Kevin acknowledged that he had.

“Okay, so you mentioned that at age 16, your responsibility was to be a lookout?” the attorney asked, quoting the word lookout from the report.

“I was forced to, yes,” Kevin said.

“And that your involvement in the gang included ‘physically assaulting victims?’ ”

“Yes,” Kevin said. “I was forced to commit those kinds of acts.”

Wow, they're not sending their best!

Good. It's insane to propose that if someone admits to being part of a violent criminal gang, and admits to helping them assault and murder people, that shouldn't be discussed in a court hearing to see whether or not they should be let into the country. The Globalist Left has truly gone off the fucking deep end to be arguing this point.

What a shocker, you ignore the very example in the section you cited and pretend they all sign up to MS13 like it's the Boy Scouts instead of facing a Join Or Die proposition because it's inconvenient to your narrative that they're ALL gangbangers and should be kept out at all costs.

[Aureumterra]

Happy President’s day!

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Waste of tax money if all they did was cross an imaginary line.



Thats trumps whole presdency tbh. Mean spirited dumbness.

Legal Immigration is legal immigration and illegal immigration is illegal immigration, and should not be tolerated, it is that easy to understand.

Apparently not

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Ok, I see many Trumpers saying anti-trumpers are violent because "there were no riots when Trump was impeached, but there were riots when he was acquitted, GET REKT NOOB"

Anecdotally, I can confirm that there was violence when he was impeached. I live in South Florida surrounded by Cubans, people were so furious after the impeachment that they went out and smashed car windows and burned trash, I believe it made the local news. Just because the mainstream media never covered it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. And both sides are violent, not just one

[Rainbowsix]

Ok, I see many Trumpers saying anti-trumpets are violent because "there were no riots when Trump was impeached, but there were riots when he was acquitted, GET REKT NOOB"

Anecdotally, I can confirm that there was violence when he was impeached. I live in South Florida surrounded by Cubans, people were so furious after the impeachment that they went out and smashed car windows and burned trash, I believe it made the local news. Just because the mainstream media never covered it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. And both sides are violent, not just one

but it's usually more one side than the other (the left more)

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Ok, I see many Trumpers saying anti-trumpets are violent because "there were no riots when Trump was impeached, but there were riots when he was acquitted, GET REKT NOOB"

Anecdotally, I can confirm that there was violence when he was impeached. I live in South Florida surrounded by Cubans, people were so furious after the impeachment that they went out and smashed car windows and burned trash, I believe it made the local news. Just because the mainstream media never covered it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. And both sides are violent, not just one

but it's usually more one side than the other (the left more)

Except that’s just not true

[Valrifell]

oh wow.

Trump is leading the field to green.

amazing.

while not to green he did make a pace lap.

what a day to remember.

For all intensive purposes, a NASCAR event is a Trump rally

*intents and purposes

Sorry I could not let it slide.

[Fartsniffage]

For all intensive purposes, a NASCAR event is a Trump rally

*intents and purposes

Sorry I could not let it slide.

I'm sure he could care less.

[Valrifell]

Legal Immigration is legal immigration and illegal immigration is illegal immigration, and should not be tolerated, it is that easy to understand.

Apparently not

Illegal immigration is a relatively minor offense, to the point of being trivial in a legal sense. Devoting this much time and effort into ruthlessly hunting them down and putting them in camps is an overreaction.

In fact it's such an overreaction it's not hard to read racial motives into sending SWAT teams to sanctuary cities.

Not a difficult concept.

[Aureumterra]

Ok, I see many Trumpers saying anti-trumpers are violent because "there were no riots when Trump was impeached, but there were riots when he was acquitted, GET REKT NOOB"

Anecdotally, I can confirm that there was violence when he was impeached. I live in South Florida surrounded by Cubans, people were so furious after the impeachment that they went out and smashed car windows and burned trash, I believe it made the local news. Just because the mainstream media never covered it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. And both sides are violent, not just one

Admittedly, that is true, (from what I’ve noticed) the American media rarely covers right wing violence though, ironically enough.

[Mingulay Isle]

You’d be amazed that common that is.

Dude, I got my first race car at the age of five. My main rival went on to win multiple NASCAR championships (well, he was everyone's rival...he didn't become NASCAR champ on accident). There is nothing you're going to tell me about racing that will surprise me.

Richard Petty kept sheep and knit seat covers with the wool.

[Valrifell]

*intents and purposes

Sorry I could not let it slide.

I'm sure he could care less.