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Postby San Lumen » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:15 am

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And a school like Dartmouth sees a huge drop in admission because their aren't enough jobs for every student?


I doubt most Dartmouth students are working jobs on the side and struggling to get by.

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And how do you expect every student attending Dartmouth or UMass Amherst to get a job in town? There simply arent enough jobs for every student


If you have to work while going to school, you have to factor that into the price of education. If you can't make it work, and thus you probably can't afford those schools. May I suggest you look at Salem State instead?

And what type of job are we talking about?


How do you know that?

Most colleges require loans to attend. It isn't practical or realistic for someone to work full time and attend school.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:21 am

San Lumen wrote:
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I doubt most Dartmouth students are working jobs on the side and struggling to get by.



If you have to work while going to school, you have to factor that into the price of education. If you can't make it work, and thus you probably can't afford those schools. May I suggest you look at Salem State instead?

And what type of job are we talking about?


How do you know that?


Because the demographics of the school are public information and most kids there come from upper middle class families?

San Lumen wrote:Most colleges require loans to attend. It isn't practical or realistic for someone to work full time and attend school.


It is, you just won't have the traditional college experience of dorm parties and day drinking.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:21 am

Fartsniffage wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51449739

Well this is terrible.

Native American burial sites in Arizona have been blown up by construction crews building the US-Mexico border wall, according to lawmakers and tribal leaders.

Authorities confirmed that "controlled blasting" has begun in Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument, a Unesco recognised natural reserve.


Destroying cultural sites in the name of a massive money sink that will not be affective.

Just horrible.

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Postby Valrifell » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:22 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
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a total non answer.


No. It's not. We're talking about college being affordable, and you start talking about fucking Ivy League schools. Obviously those are retardedly expensive. That's the point. So the upper class can keep away from us proles.


And you want to make more places where the upper class can self-segregate from the proles?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:22 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
San Lumen wrote:and you think most people can afford it without loans or just pay their way through it with a part time job?


Get a full time job and do it. Even working 40 hours a week you still have 72 hours a week to devote to courses.

If you make 9 dollars an hour, you'll make more than enough to afford college assuming economical living situations.


It depends on the course as well. When I was studying aerospace engineering the class time was 40 hours per week with as much again in library work.

Once you factor in eating, sleeping, showering, cleaning, laundry and the sheer crappy times when you're available for work you'll be lucky to find 5 or 10 hours a week.

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:22 am

San Lumen wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
I doubt most Dartmouth students are working jobs on the side and struggling to get by.



If you have to work while going to school, you have to factor that into the price of education. If you can't make it work, and thus you probably can't afford those schools. May I suggest you look at Salem State instead?

And what type of job are we talking about?


How do you know that?

Most colleges require loans to attend. It isn't practical or realistic for someone to work full time and attend school.


Given that I did so.... I would say it's plenty practical.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:23 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51449739

Well this is terrible.



Destroying cultural sites in the name of a massive money sink that will not be affective.

Just horrible.


"Native American burial sites" have a long history of being used for dubious land claims.

You say these are cultural sites but had you even heard of this place before you stumbled across this article?
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:24 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
How do you know that?

Most colleges require loans to attend. It isn't practical or realistic for someone to work full time and attend school.


Given that I did so.... I would say it's plenty practical.


Your set of circumstances may not be typical. That is also to say, not everyone is or is like you.

It's like survivorship bias. That you survived is not evidence that your process is viable for everyone.
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Postby Necroghastia » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:26 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Destroying cultural sites in the name of a massive money sink that will not be affective.

Just horrible.


"Native American burial sites" have a long history of being used for dubious land claims.

You say these are cultural sites but had you even heard of this place before you stumbled across this article?

You're so right. Cultural sites aren't valid unless random internet people who live far from the area and have no connection to the culture related to the site have heard of them.

/s, obviously.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:27 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Destroying cultural sites in the name of a massive money sink that will not be affective.

Just horrible.


"Native American burial sites" have a long history of being used for dubious land claims.

You say these are cultural sites but had you even heard of this place before you stumbled across this article?


Herp is not a Native American so I struggle to imagine why he would have an encyclopedic knowledge of their cultural sites. Do you know every Shinto temple in Japan?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:28 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Destroying cultural sites in the name of a massive money sink that will not be affective.

Just horrible.


"Native American burial sites" have a long history of being used for dubious land claims.

You say these are cultural sites but had you even heard of this place before you stumbled across this article?


Why does that matter if I heard about this place before the article?

I don't know every place on earth. Yet if I hear an event happening in some place I never heard of and the sourse is trustworthy, I can assume that the place is real.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:29 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
"Native American burial sites" have a long history of being used for dubious land claims.

You say these are cultural sites but had you even heard of this place before you stumbled across this article?

You're so right. Cultural sites aren't valid unless random internet people who live far from the area and have no connection to the culture related to the site have heard of them.

/s, obviously.


The "Indian burial ground" con has almost become a trope. They find an arrowhead in some dirt and then suddenly declare the entire area some sacred burial ground and make it off-limits to everyone. It's very similar to how Jewish settlers in Palestine keep finding historical "artifacts" on Palestinian land that they then use to claim ownership over it.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:30 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Get a full time job and do it. Even working 40 hours a week you still have 72 hours a week to devote to courses.

If you make 9 dollars an hour, you'll make more than enough to afford college assuming economical living situations.


It depends on the course as well. When I was studying aerospace engineering the class time was 40 hours per week with as much again in library work.

Once you factor in eating, sleeping, showering, cleaning, laundry and the sheer crappy times when you're available for work you'll be lucky to find 5 or 10 hours a week.

But surely you can make enough money to pay your way through school without loans

The Emerald Legion wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
How do you know that?

Most colleges require loans to attend. It isn't practical or realistic for someone to work full time and attend school.


Given that I did so.... I would say it's plenty practical.


And what's to say your circumstance is typical?

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Postby Valrifell » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:30 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:You're so right. Cultural sites aren't valid unless random internet people who live far from the area and have no connection to the culture related to the site have heard of them.

/s, obviously.


The "Indian burial ground" con has almost become a trope. They find an arrowhead in some dirt and then suddenly declare the entire area some sacred burial ground and make it off-limits to everyone. It's very similar to how Jewish settlers in Palestine keep finding historical "artifacts" on Palestinian land that they then use to claim ownership over it.


Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Claims of a conspiracy require proof and shouldn't be taken at face value. Fuggin prove it.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:31 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Destroying cultural sites in the name of a massive money sink that will not be affective.

Just horrible.


"Native American burial sites" have a long history of being used for dubious land claims.

You say these are cultural sites but had you even heard of this place before you stumbled across this article?

Who cares if one heard of it? Its a travesty to destroy cultural sites for a stupid wall.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:43 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:You're so right. Cultural sites aren't valid unless random internet people who live far from the area and have no connection to the culture related to the site have heard of them.

/s, obviously.


The "Indian burial ground" con has almost become a trope. They find an arrowhead in some dirt and then suddenly declare the entire area some sacred burial ground and make it off-limits to everyone. It's very similar to how Jewish settlers in Palestine keep finding historical "artifacts" on Palestinian land that they then use to claim ownership over it.



That has nothing to do with this well documented place.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:52 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
The "Indian burial ground" con has almost become a trope. They find an arrowhead in some dirt and then suddenly declare the entire area some sacred burial ground and make it off-limits to everyone. It's very similar to how Jewish settlers in Palestine keep finding historical "artifacts" on Palestinian land that they then use to claim ownership over it.



That has nothing to do with this well documented place.

which Trump is destroying to build his stupid wall. The contractors should refuse to work

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Postby Telconi » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:54 am

San Lumen wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
It depends on the course as well. When I was studying aerospace engineering the class time was 40 hours per week with as much again in library work.

Once you factor in eating, sleeping, showering, cleaning, laundry and the sheer crappy times when you're available for work you'll be lucky to find 5 or 10 hours a week.

But surely you can make enough money to pay your way through school without loans

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Given that I did so.... I would say it's plenty practical.


And what's to say your circumstance is typical?


The whole idea of going to college without loans is silly in and of itself, because there are loans, so even if you can't work, you can get student loans to fund college without having independent wealth.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:55 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

That has nothing to do with this well documented place.

which Trump is destroying to build his stupid wall. The contractors should refuse to work


The number of workers who "should refuse to work" is almost the same as the total number of workers in this world.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:55 am

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:But surely you can make enough money to pay your way through school without loans



And what's to say your circumstance is typical?


The whole idea of going to college without loans is silly in and of itself, because there are loans, so even if you can't work, you can get student loans to fund college without having independent wealth.



Or you can just have great grades and a stellar resume and get a full scholarship :^)
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:55 am

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:But surely you can make enough money to pay your way through school without loans



And what's to say your circumstance is typical?


The whole idea of going to college without loans is silly in and of itself, because there are loans, so even if you can't work, you can get student loans to fund college without having independent wealth.


Loans put people into terrible debt and limit their economic productivity after graduating.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:56 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
Telconi wrote:
The whole idea of going to college without loans is silly in and of itself, because there are loans, so even if you can't work, you can get student loans to fund college without having independent wealth.



Or you can just have great grades and a stellar resume and get a full scholarship :^)

and not everyone can and will get a full scholarship

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Postby Page » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:57 am

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:But surely you can make enough money to pay your way through school without loans



And what's to say your circumstance is typical?


The whole idea of going to college without loans is silly in and of itself, because there are loans, so even if you can't work, you can get student loans to fund college without having independent wealth.


Are we forgetting the sheer usury involved here, the insane interest rates?
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Postby Telconi » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:57 am

Valrifell wrote:
Telconi wrote:
The whole idea of going to college without loans is silly in and of itself, because there are loans, so even if you can't work, you can get student loans to fund college without having independent wealth.


Loans put people into terrible debt and limit their economic productivity after graduating.


Luckily having a college degree boosts their economic productivity.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:58 am

Page wrote:
Telconi wrote:
The whole idea of going to college without loans is silly in and of itself, because there are loans, so even if you can't work, you can get student loans to fund college without having independent wealth.


Are we forgetting the sheer usury involved here, the insane interest rates?

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