MAGAThread XVIII: The Authority Is Total

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

To be fair, Democrats have and we'll see the GOP Senate acquit. However, this short term gain on their part will likely hurt them in the long term and thus, could put their majority at risk; the last few polls have shown a plurality of Independents backing removal which could hurt vulnerable Senators if they don't conduct a fair trial properly.

To be fair, the democrats therefore would like to see that there is no fair trial. And will probably stack as many caveats as possible that a trial without any discrepencies will be impossible.

When the prosocution's star-witness is also the defenendant's legal counsel... something smell like a mistrial under normal circumstances.

That is a mistake of the defendant for picking the council, not the fault of the prosecution for... for what, exactly? For recognising he aided in the crime the defendant is accused of?

Say, how would you make the rules so that conviction becomes more likely?

[Vassenor]

To be fair, Democrats have and we'll see the GOP Senate acquit. However, this short term gain on their part will likely hurt them in the long term and thus, could put their majority at risk; the last few polls have shown a plurality of Independents backing removal which could hurt vulnerable Senators if they don't conduct a fair trial properly.

To be fair, the democrats therefore would like to see that there is no fair trial. And will probably stack as many caveats as possible that a trial without any discrepencies will be impossible.

When the prosocution's star-witness is also the defenendant's legal counsel... something smell like a mistrial under normal circumstances.

So how are they trying to ensure there is no fair trial?

[Gormwood]

To be fair, the democrats therefore would like to see that there is no fair trial. And will probably stack as many caveats as possible that a trial without any discrepencies will be impossible.

When the prosocution's star-witness is also the defenendant's legal counsel... something smell like a mistrial under normal circumstances.

So how are they trying to ensure there is no fair trial?

Sure takes a lot more effort than bending over and goatseing for McConnell.

[Cisairse]

Is it me, or has Schiff's voice gone down a full octave since October?

His testicles have fully descended.

That's actually really impressive.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

To be fair, the democrats therefore would like to see that there is no fair trial. And will probably stack as many caveats as possible that a trial without any discrepencies will be impossible.

When the prosocution's star-witness is also the defenendant's legal counsel... something smell like a mistrial under normal circumstances.

Could have sworn The Privilege is forfeit if the "lawyer" actively aids the "client" in commission of a crime

Usually if the crime is being committed by the lawyer, is easier to just prosocute the lawyer.

But in this case the defense is also batting for the prosocution.

[Gormwood]

Could have sworn The Privilege is forfeit if the "lawyer" actively aids the "client" in commission of a crime

Usually if the crime is being committed by the lawyer, is easier to just prosocute the lawyer.

But in this case the defense is also batting for the prosocution.

By that logic there should be no mob prosecutions at all. Cutting Rudy a deal to aikido Trump under the bus in exchange for reduced sentence or immunity would be fitting thoigh.

[Zurkerx]

Some Senate Democrats mull the following: A Biden for a Bolton Trade.

Honestly, it can't hurt though there is a risk Republicans have hidden secrets on Hunter, ones gathered by Giuliani and others (most fake and exaggerated likely). However, all Biden has to do and say "How do I relate to a President abusing his power" and that should suffice. I suspect Democrats will ask impeachment related questions while Republicans would ask questions regarding his time in the Ukraine, his finances, and his life- to paint him as a person tainted by corruption because of his name, which got him a job by his father, in hopes that people will ignore what Trump has done.

Of course, the GOP could be bluffing and may pull back from a deal once they realize they'll have to call witnesses not favorable to Trump, such as Parnas and Bolton, but I think it's a gamble worth taking.

[Cisairse]

Some Senate Democrats mull the following: A Biden for a Bolton Trade.

Honestly, it can't hurt though there is a risk Republicans have hidden secrets on Hunter, ones gathered by Giuliani and others (most fake and exaggerated likely). However, all Biden has to do and say "How do I relate to a President abusing his power" and that should suffice. I suspect Democrats will ask impeachment related questions while Republicans would ask questions regarding his time in the Ukraine, his finances, and his life- to paint him as a person tainted by corruption because of his name, which got him a job by his father, in hopes that people will ignore what Trump has done.

Of course, the GOP could be bluffing and may pull back from a deal once they realize they'll have to call witnesses not favorable to Trump, such as Parnas and Bolton, but I think it's a gamble worth taking.

If it was any politician except Joe Biden I would say this is a fantastic chance to get unrivaled free eye-time with American voters...but Joe Biden would definitely go on camera in front of millions of americans and say something so ludicrous that they'd laugh him out of the chamber.

[Gormwood]

Some Senate Democrats mull the following: A Biden for a Bolton Trade.

Honestly, it can't hurt though there is a risk Republicans have hidden secrets on Hunter, ones gathered by Giuliani and others (most fake and exaggerated likely). However, all Biden has to do and say "How do I relate to a President abusing his power" and that should suffice. I suspect Democrats will ask impeachment related questions while Republicans would ask questions regarding his time in the Ukraine, his finances, and his life- to paint him as a person tainted by corruption because of his name, which got him a job by his father, in hopes that people will ignore what Trump has done.

Of course, the GOP could be bluffing and may pull back from a deal once they realize they'll have to call witnesses not favorable to Trump, such as Parnas and Bolton, but I think it's a gamble worth taking.

If it was any politician except Joe Biden I would say this is a fantastic chance to get unrivaled free eye-time with American voters...but Joe Biden would definitely go on camera in front of millions of americans and say something so ludicrous that they'd laugh him out of the chamber.

But would that somehow prove Trump had a "legitimate" reason to demand Ukraine announce (not follow up on) an investigation into Biden?

[Gormwood]

Damn, Lev won't take the I Don't Know Him line from Pence either.

LEV PARNAS ATTORNEY SHARES VIDEO OF MIKE PENCE WITH INDICTED GIULIANI ASSOCIATE AFTER VP DENIES KNOWING HIM

[Vassenor]

So the GOP has gone full coverup then?

[Totenborg]

So the GOP has gone full coverup then?

Why not? They already gain office almost entirely through gaslighting their base. What's unnerving to me is how blatant they've become. They truly are the party of Trump now.

[Loben The 2nd]

So the GOP has gone full coverup then?

A simple vote is a cover up?

[Gormwood]

So the GOP has gone full coverup then?

Why not? They already gain office almost entirely through gaslighting their base. What's unnerving to me is how blatant they've become. They truly are the party of Trump now.

They must have felt letting Volton and Mulvaney testify would have been too damning even for their base, otherwise they would have agreed to let them have more witnesses. Of course Bolton knew it would never happen, hence the disingenuous "willingness" on his part. If his bluff had been called he'd have backpedalled fast enough to win the Tour de France in reverse. So apparently lying under oath about a blowjob really is a bigger crime than abuse of office. And someone will of course call the affair an abuse of office, but 1) The affair was consentual, and 2) It didn't threaten national security or an allied country in the process.

[Loben The 2nd]

We’re allied with Ukraine?

[Ifreann]

We’re allied with Ukraine?

You're giving them military aid, remember?

[Loben The 2nd]

We’re allied with Ukraine?

You're giving them military aid, remember?

Doesn’t exactly mean much.

[Gormwood]

You're giving them military aid, remember?

Doesn’t exactly mean much.

"250 million dollars isn't much." - Jeff Bezos Loben

[Loben The 2nd]

Doesn’t exactly mean much.

"250 million dollars isn't much." - Jeff Bezos Loben

All of it were probably not going to get back.

For an apparent Russian invasion nothing seems to be happening on that front.

[Ifreann]

You're giving them military aid, remember?

Doesn’t exactly mean much.

What do you expect, a formal treaty of alliance? It's not the nineteenth century any more, the world doesn't work like that.

[Dome Artan]

"250 million dollars isn't much." - Jeff Bezos Loben

All of it were probably not going to get back.

For an apparent Russian invasion nothing seems to be happening on that front.

They're literally engaged in a war in east Ukraine right now though so

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Trump casting doubt on the Ukraine evidence by saying how he wouldn't say the same thing eight times, in a speech in which he repeatedly called the impeachment a hoax.

[Loben The 2nd]

All of it were probably not going to get back.

For an apparent Russian invasion nothing seems to be happening on that front.

They're literally engaged in a war in east Ukraine right now though so

Against Russians separatists.

Kinda a difference between those, hard to tell.

[Tarsonis]

Damn, Lev won't take the I Don't Know Him line from Pence either.

LEV PARNAS ATTORNEY SHARES VIDEO OF MIKE PENCE WITH INDICTED GIULIANI ASSOCIATE AFTER VP DENIES KNOWING HIM

"I don't know no Dookieshoes"

"Well we've got a video of you hanging out with Dookieshoes"

"I mean I've seen him, I don't know him."

[Gravlen]

After being impeached for obstruction of Congress, and while the trial is ongoing in the Senate, Trump decides to talk a bit...

President Trump said he’s happy with the way the impeachment trial is going thus far because his administration has not released “materials” that would hurt his cause.

“When we released that conversation all hell broke out with the Democrats,” Trump said. “Because they said, ‘Wait a minute, this is much different than [what Adam Schiff] told us.’ ”

The president continued, “So, we’re doing very well. I got to watch [the impeachment trial] enough. I thought our team did a very good job. But honestly, we have all the material. They don’t have the material.”

Trump Brags About Concealing Impeachment Evidence: ‘We Have All the Material, They Don’t’