MAGAThread XVIII: The Authority Is Total

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

A new presidential decree is coming: all immigrants not welcome.

No coherent message. The disease is, at the same time, defeated in a way that allows the country to reopen, while somehow still so dangerous that people from abroad cannot be allowed to immigrate. Mind, the US borders are already closed for international travel, so even if people legally immigrate, they cannot physically enter the country until the crisis is over.

It's so transparant he might as well say he is misusing a crisis for his own political gains.

[Knask]

Once it was reluctantly aroused. It was hard to get it aroused. And it is hard to get it aroused. But we got it aroused.

- Wise words by Donald J. Trump.

context?

Not that it will help at all with that spastic comes off with but still?

At a Coronavirus-briefing, Trump was reading an editorial about himself out loud and adding commentary.

At one point, while sharing the piece with the press corps and a national television audience, the president read DeMuth's praise that Trump had "vivified the American way in action," which was "once reluctantly aroused." Ad-libbing his own related thoughts, the president added, "It was hard to get it aroused, and it is hard to get it aroused, but we got it aroused."

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-claims-self-congratulatory-displays-are-not-about-me-n1187836

[Gormwood]

A new presidential decree is coming: all immigrants not welcome.

No coherent message. The disease is, at the same time, defeated in a way that allows the country to reopen, while somehow still so dangerous that people from abroad cannot be allowed to immigrate. Mind, the US borders are already closed for international travel, so even if people legally immigrate, they cannot physically enter the country until the crisis is over.

It's so transparant he might as well say he is misusing a crisis for his own political gains.

Magical Thinking in a nutshell.

[The Huskar Social Union]

context?

Not that it will help at all with that spastic comes off with but still?

At a Coronavirus-briefing, Trump was reading an editorial about himself out loud and adding commentary.

At one point, while sharing the piece with the press corps and a national television audience, the president read DeMuth's praise that Trump had "vivified the American way in action," which was "once reluctantly aroused." Ad-libbing his own related thoughts, the president added, "It was hard to get it aroused, and it is hard to get it aroused, but we got it aroused."

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-claims-self-congratulatory-displays-are-not-about-me-n1187836

"No no fuck the virus, ive got to stroke my ego, dont you know im amazing?"

[Valrifell]

A new presidential decree is coming: all immigrants not welcome.

No coherent message. The disease is, at the same time, defeated in a way that allows the country to reopen, while somehow still so dangerous that people from abroad cannot be allowed to immigrate. Mind, the US borders are already closed for international travel, so even if people legally immigrate, they cannot physically enter the country until the crisis is over.

It's so transparant he might as well say he is misusing a crisis for his own political gains.

Supporting Donald Trump is an indefensible position.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

The enemies of America must be guffawing with laughter whenever they open up Donald's twitter feed.

[Ifreann]

Aw that's cute. Except unlike Lizzo, Trump is pathologically incapable of feeling shame in the first place.

Earn that MAGA cap!

Love that you think im a trump supporter because i pointed out you are a hypocrite, bless.

Liberalism is the ideology of exceptions. To liberals, there's nothing hypocritical about criticising people for fat shaming and then turning around and mocking Trump's weight, because they have designated Trump as undeserving of basic human dignity. He's an exception. Same way they can make exceptions for universal human rights when it comes to convicted criminals.

[Rojava Free State]

A new presidential decree is coming: all immigrants not welcome.

No coherent message. The disease is, at the same time, defeated in a way that allows the country to reopen, while somehow still so dangerous that people from abroad cannot be allowed to immigrate. Mind, the US borders are already closed for international travel, so even if people legally immigrate, they cannot physically enter the country until the crisis is over.

It's so transparant he might as well say he is misusing a crisis for his own political gains.

Did the founding fathers write in the declaration of independence that "America is meant to remain open?" What the hell does "we're meant to be open" even mean?

[Rojava Free State]

context?

Not that it will help at all with that spastic comes off with but still?

At a Coronavirus-briefing, Trump was reading an editorial about himself out loud and adding commentary.

At one point, while sharing the piece with the press corps and a national television audience, the president read DeMuth's praise that Trump had "vivified the American way in action," which was "once reluctantly aroused." Ad-libbing his own related thoughts, the president added, "It was hard to get it aroused, and it is hard to get it aroused, but we got it aroused."

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-claims-self-congratulatory-displays-are-not-about-me-n1187836

That was probably the most uncomfortable and suggestive way to refer to economic activity ever. Either this guy is comically stupid or he is the biggest shitposter in mankind's history, literally running for an election and winning just so he could force everyone to watch him shitpost online and IRL.

[Rojava Free State]

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Love that you think im a trump supporter because i pointed out you are a hypocrite, bless.

Liberalism is the ideology of exceptions. To liberals, there's nothing hypocritical about criticising people for fat shaming and then turning around and mocking Trump's weight, because they have designated Trump as undeserving of basic human dignity. He's an exception. Same way they can make exceptions for universal human rights when it comes to convicted criminals.

Damn, so you're left wing and not liberal then.

That wasn't sarcastic. I draw a line between liberals and left wing, and the line heavily relies on having principles more than actual position on the compass.

[Rojava Free State]

The enemies of America must be guffawing with laughter whenever they open up Donald's twitter feed.

Trump supporters: God wanted Trump to be president.

God: This is what you deserve for making the world a worse place to live in. May the fires of hell embrace you.

[Gormwood]

No coherent message. The disease is, at the same time, defeated in a way that allows the country to reopen, while somehow still so dangerous that people from abroad cannot be allowed to immigrate. Mind, the US borders are already closed for international travel, so even if people legally immigrate, they cannot physically enter the country until the crisis is over.

It's so transparant he might as well say he is misusing a crisis for his own political gains.

Did the founding fathers write in the declaration of independence that "America is meant to remain open?" What the hell does "we're meant to be open" even mean?

He wants the economy to move back up before November, which is impossible with all the quarantines. Shameless and desperate attempt to salvage his election chances.

[The East Marches II]

A new presidential decree is coming: all immigrants not welcome.

No coherent message. The disease is, at the same time, defeated in a way that allows the country to reopen, while somehow still so dangerous that people from abroad cannot be allowed to immigrate. Mind, the US borders are already closed for international travel, so even if people legally immigrate, they cannot physically enter the country until the crisis is over.

It's so transparant he might as well say he is misusing a crisis for his own political gains.

I'm sure this has not occured to you because it isn't in your worldview to even grasp, we have now 22 million and counting suddenly unemployed. Inviting people here to compete for wages is insane at the moment. I can only hope he screws Disney and the Tech firms on the visas they need for slave labor too. Unfortunately most of those are already approved but they don't have to be re-upped :^)

It is entirely coherent. You just can't think in terms of interest of a country.

[The East Marches II]

Aw that's cute. Except unlike Lizzo, Trump is pathologically incapable of feeling shame in the first place. Earn that MAGA cap!

He is a Red Gauth. He has always been a Red. 10/10 reply to your own garbage being called out. gg no re.

[Spirit of Hope]

No coherent message. The disease is, at the same time, defeated in a way that allows the country to reopen, while somehow still so dangerous that people from abroad cannot be allowed to immigrate. Mind, the US borders are already closed for international travel, so even if people legally immigrate, they cannot physically enter the country until the crisis is over.

It's so transparant he might as well say he is misusing a crisis for his own political gains.

I'm sure this has not occured to you because it isn't in your worldview to even grasp, we have now 22 million and counting suddenly unemployed. Inviting people here to compete for wages is insane at the moment. I can only hope he screws Disney and the Tech firms on the visas they need for slave labor too. Unfortunately most of those are already approved but they don't have to be re-upped :^)

It is entirely coherent. You just can't think in terms of interest of a country.

It might be beyond your understanding but basically no study has shown that immigration drives down job opportunities for the native population. Especially given the numbers involved, there are 22 million unemployed but the 140,000 employment based green cards are going to steal all the jobs.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Did the founding fathers write in the declaration of independence that "America is meant to remain open?" What the hell does "we're meant to be open" even mean?

The man thinks he's Commodore Perry.

[The East Marches II]

I'm sure this has not occured to you because it isn't in your worldview to even grasp, we have now 22 million and counting suddenly unemployed. Inviting people here to compete for wages is insane at the moment. I can only hope he screws Disney and the Tech firms on the visas they need for slave labor too. Unfortunately most of those are already approved but they don't have to be re-upped :^)

It is entirely coherent. You just can't think in terms of interest of a country.

It might be beyond your understanding but basically no study has shown that immigration drives down job opportunities for the native population. Especially given the numbers involved, there are 22 million unemployed but the 140,000 employment based green cards are going to steal all the jobs.

I want to be clear about this, you mean that using people who make less than $3 at Disney World on visas doesn't mean that a general citizen won't make minimum wage because the slave labor visa is much more profitable? Please make sure this is the argument you wish to proceed with.

[Spirit of Hope]

It might be beyond your understanding but basically no study has shown that immigration drives down job opportunities for the native population. Especially given the numbers involved, there are 22 million unemployed but the 140,000 employment based green cards are going to steal all the jobs.

I want to be clear about this, you mean that using people who make less than $3 at Disney World on visas doesn't mean that a general citizen won't make minimum wage because the slave labor visa is much more profitable? Please make sure this is the argument you wish to proceed with.

Any evidence that Disney is flagrantly violating the law by employing lots of immigrants for below the legal minimum wage? Just because you are working in the US on a Visa doesn't mean that minimum wage laws don't apply.

[Ifreann]

Did the founding fathers write in the declaration of independence that "America is meant to remain open?" What the hell does "we're meant to be open" even mean?

He wants the economy to move back up before November, which is impossible with all the quarantines. Shameless and desperate attempt to salvage his election chances.

I imagine he's also concerned about his hotels opening up again.

[Valrifell]

It might be beyond your understanding but basically no study has shown that immigration drives down job opportunities for the native population. Especially given the numbers involved, there are 22 million unemployed but the 140,000 employment based green cards are going to steal all the jobs.

I want to be clear about this, you mean that using people who make less than $3 at Disney World on visas doesn't mean that a general citizen won't make minimum wage because the slave labor visa is much more profitable? Please make sure this is the argument you wish to proceed with.

When confronted with evidence against your position, it's generally considered poor form to batter down and restate your thesis because you feel it should be true.

[Phoenicaea]

what this forum has become.. regent’s ill tweets, importing immigrants..what is that..for this is not politics

[Nakena]

I want to be clear about this, you mean that using people who make less than $3 at Disney World on visas doesn't mean that a general citizen won't make minimum wage because the slave labor visa is much more profitable? Please make sure this is the argument you wish to proceed with.

When confronted with evidence against your position, it's generally considered poor form to batter down and restate your thesis because you feel it should be true.

Whats the point in the current situation to ship in more fugees? Like the world is imploding and theres millions upon millions of people out of work now.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

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I'm sure this has not occured to you because it isn't in your worldview to even grasp, we have now 22 million and counting suddenly unemployed. Inviting people here to compete for wages is insane at the moment. I can only hope he screws Disney and the Tech firms on the visas they need for slave labor too. Unfortunately most of those are already approved but they don't have to be re-upped :^)

It is entirely coherent. You just can't think in terms of interest of a country.

You could have made this point without ad hominem attacks, and it would have been stronger, yet you seem to insist on biting attacks even when entirely unecessary.

With regards to your point: they are not coming here 'at the moment', because you might have noticed that international travel has been halted almost entirely. There is no need for the executive order. All that is for when international travel becomes a possibility again. Those 22 million people will largely be employed again, because this is not a sustained jobloss.

There are actual policies that might help those without jobs. Enforced paid sick leave, for instance, or other labour protections would massively limit the number of unemployed people, because all this is, is 22 million counts of 'leave until further notice'. Perhaps provide for stronger unions to fight for those labour rights. All of that does far more good for American workers than limiting the small amount of foreign people that can come in at any time. Once they legally immigrate, those people are Americans too, after all.

[Gormwood]

He wants the economy to move back up before November, which is impossible with all the quarantines. Shameless and desperate attempt to salvage his election chances.

I imagine he's also concerned about his hotels opening up again.

The poor, starving bedbugs.

[Valrifell]

When confronted with evidence against your position, it's generally considered poor form to batter down and restate your thesis because you feel it should be true.

Whats the point in the current situation to ship in more fugees? Like the world is imploding and theres millions upon millions of people out of work now.

You'll note that the position "we shouldn't close the border to immigration, because the border is already basically closed to international travel and preventing people from applying for visas would solve literally nothing" and "we should actively encourage immigration right now" are not the same position. Your equivalence is false and that's no good.

And again, there's no evidence that legal immigration reduces economic opportunity for the native population. Besides, for millions of those Americans, the jobs are still there and are likely to be rehired after the situation settles.