MAGAThread XVIII: The Authority Is Total

[Greater Miami Shores]

You may laugh, but they're not preparing to raid sanctuary cities because there's a pressing need to round up illegal immigrants, they're doing it because their boss is very mad at sanctuary cities.

And rightfully so.

[Imperial Joseon]

You may laugh, but they're not preparing to raid sanctuary cities because there's a pressing need to round up illegal immigrants, they're doing it because their boss is very mad at sanctuary cities.

And rightfully so.

One way to counter a massive laughter. Hehe.

[Greater Miami Shores]

And rightfully so.

One way to counter a massive laughter. Hehe.

More like one way to support a massive laughter, I agree with Aureumterra. We usually agree on many issues.

[Imperial Joseon]

One way to counter a massive laughter. Hehe.

More like one way to support a massive laughter, I agree with Aureumterra. We usually agree on many issues.

Oh, I thought you agreed with Ifreann. Sorry.

[Greater Miami Shores]

More like one way to support a massive laughter, I agree with Aureumterra. We usually agree on many issues.

Oh, I thought you agreed with Ifreann. Sorry.

Never and no problems, thank you.

[Gormwood]

More like one way to support a massive laughter, I agree with Aureumterra. We usually agree on many issues.

Oh, I thought you agreed with Ifreann. Sorry.

It's like wants to lord his Cuban privileges over other Latinos in a flavor of "Got Mine, Fuck You".

[Greater Miami Shores]

I support legal immigration not illegal immigration. I support President Trump. But I respect those who support the Democrats. That is their democratic right to do so.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I support legal immigration not illegal immigration. I support President Trump. But I respect those who support the Democrats. That is their democratic right to do so.

What's your response to Gormwood though? He put it very rudely, but he does go to the point. You wouldn't be in America if your parents had been subject to the strict immigration controls you advocate.

They'd have been sent back as "economic refugees". Maybe you would too.

[Telconi]

I support legal immigration not illegal immigration. I support President Trump. But I respect those who support the Democrats. That is their democratic right to do so.

What's your response to Gormwood though? He put it very rudely, but he does go to the point. You wouldn't be in America if your parents had been subject to the strict immigration controls you advocate.

They'd have been sent back as "economic refugees". Maybe you would too.

Maybe, fleeing a totalitarian commie regime is different from fleeing a republic.

Granted people from Mexico, and many other Latin-American countries have many reasons to come here searching for a better life, but most don't have the specific motivation of many from Cuba.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I support legal immigration not illegal immigration. I support President Trump. But I respect those who support the Democrats. That is their democratic right to do so.

What's your response to Gormwood though? He put it very rudely, but he does go to the point. You wouldn't be in America if your parents had been subject to the strict immigration controls you advocate.

They'd have been sent back as "economic refugees". Maybe you would too.

I don't know what Gormwood's problem with me is. I strongly support the Republicans and President Trump. Gormwood strongly supports the Democrats and strongly opposes President Trump. But I have no problems with Gornmwood or those who support the Democrats. I respect their rights to do so and their rights to post it to me and all fellow nations in a respectful manner.

We waited our turn for x numbers of years in Hell Hole Cuba. We had to take and pass a medical exam. We had to meet legal requirements all nations have.

[Idzequitch]

I support legal immigration not illegal immigration. I support President Trump. But I respect those who support the Democrats. That is their democratic right to do so.

And what do you think about the fact that President Trump claims to support legal immigration, but has simultaneously made legal immigration a much more difficult, restricted process?

[Spirit of Hope]

What's your response to Gormwood though? He put it very rudely, but he does go to the point. You wouldn't be in America if your parents had been subject to the strict immigration controls you advocate.

They'd have been sent back as "economic refugees". Maybe you would too.

I don't know what Gormwood's problem with me is. I strongly support the Republicans and President Trump. Gormwood strongly supports the Democrats and strongly opposes President Trump. But I have no problems with Gornmwood or those who support the Democrats. I respect their rights to do so and their rights to post it to me and all fellow nations in a respectful manner.

We waited our turn for x numbers of years in Hell Hole Cuba. We had to take and pass a medical exam. We had to meet legal requirements all nations have.

I'm just curious why people should have to wait to get into the US, I understand the need to have background checks done but that shouldn't take 6 years, which is the current average wait time for a green card. Just because you had to wait doesn't mean everyone else should have to wait.

EDIT: This assumes you can even get in line for a green card, which generally require a family member already in the US. Of course Trump has talked a lot about wanting to end family members immigrating to the US, even while sponsoring his wife's family.

[The East Marches II]

I don't know what Gormwood's problem with me is. I strongly support the Republicans and President Trump. Gormwood strongly supports the Democrats and strongly opposes President Trump. But I have no problems with Gornmwood or those who support the Democrats. I respect their rights to do so and their rights to post it to me and all fellow nations in a respectful manner.

We waited our turn for x numbers of years in Hell Hole Cuba. We had to take and pass a medical exam. We had to meet legal requirements all nations have.

I'm just curious why people should have to wait to get into the US, I understand the need to have background checks done but that shouldn't take 6 years, which is the current average wait time for a green card. Just because you had to wait doesn't mean everyone else should have to wait.

From what I was told it was to make sure you weren't a shitbag and were capable of being a good law abiding citizen. It makes sense to me.

[Idzequitch]

I'm just curious why people should have to wait to get into the US, I understand the need to have background checks done but that shouldn't take 6 years, which is the current average wait time for a green card. Just because you had to wait doesn't mean everyone else should have to wait.

From what I was told it was to make sure you weren't a shitbag and were capable of being a good law abiding citizen. It makes sense to me.

It shouldn't take six years to figure out whether someone is a shit person or not.

[Spirit of Hope]

I'm just curious why people should have to wait to get into the US, I understand the need to have background checks done but that shouldn't take 6 years, which is the current average wait time for a green card. Just because you had to wait doesn't mean everyone else should have to wait.

From what I was told it was to make sure you weren't a shitbag and were capable of being a good law abiding citizen. It makes sense to me.

The wait time is almost completely arbitrary, they don't spend that time investigating the immigrants. It is simply the fact that the US has set an arbitrary limit for the amount of people who can immigrate to the US per country per year. So if you are coming from Mexico it can easily be a wait of over 20 years, while coming from another country can drop the wait down to a year or two. US immigration is rather badly designed.

[The East Marches II]

From what I was told it was to make sure you weren't a shitbag and were capable of being a good law abiding citizen. It makes sense to me.

The wait time is almost completely arbitrary, they don't spend that time investigating the immigrants. It is simply the fact that the US has set an arbitrary limit for the amount of people who can immigrate to the US per country per year. So if you are coming from Mexico it can easily be a wait of over 20 years, while coming from another country can drop the wait down to a year or two. US immigration is rather badly designed.

I thought it was a flat seven years green card to citizenship?

Edit: I could be mistaken, that's why I'm asking.

[Spirit of Hope]

The wait time is almost completely arbitrary, they don't spend that time investigating the immigrants. It is simply the fact that the US has set an arbitrary limit for the amount of people who can immigrate to the US per country per year. So if you are coming from Mexico it can easily be a wait of over 20 years, while coming from another country can drop the wait down to a year or two. US immigration is rather badly designed.

I thought it was a flat seven years green card to citizenship?

Edit: I could be mistaken, that's why I'm asking.

I'm talking about the time required to get your green card. Once you have your green card it is a flat seven years, if I remember correctly.

The problem is the US has a rather bad system of giving out green cards. The easiest way to get a green card is to have a family member who is already a citizen in the US and have them sponsor you, but not everyone has a family member and the wait times to get a green card even if you have a family member can be incredibly long (see 20+ years for Mexico and the Philippines depending on category). Plus as I edited in above, Trump has talked about getting restricting family based migration.

[Idzequitch]

I thought it was a flat seven years green card to citizenship?

Edit: I could be mistaken, that's why I'm asking.

I'm talking about the time required to get your green card. Once you have your green card it is a flat seven years, if I remember correctly.

The problem is the US has a rather bad system of giving out green cards. The easiest way to get a green card is to have a family member who is already a citizen in the US and have them sponsor you, but not everyone has a family member and the wait times to get a green card even if you have a family member can be incredibly long (see 20+ years for Mexico and the Philippines depending on category). Plus as I edited in above, Trump has talked about getting restricting family based migration.

As well as basically all types of legal immigration. John Oliver has a very informative video about legal immigration, and how Trump is restricting/reducing it in basically all of its forms.

[The East Marches II]

I thought it was a flat seven years green card to citizenship?

Edit: I could be mistaken, that's why I'm asking.

I'm talking about the time required to get your green card. Once you have your green card it is a flat seven years, if I remember correctly.

The problem is the US has a rather bad system of giving out green cards. The easiest way to get a green card is to have a family member who is already a citizen in the US and have them sponsor you, but not everyone has a family member and the wait times to get a green card even if you have a family member can be incredibly long (see 20+ years for Mexico and the Philippines depending on category). Plus as I edited in above, Trump has talked about getting restricting family based migration.

Ah I see, I misunderstood you. My mistake.

[Greater Miami Shores]

The wait time is almost completely arbitrary, they don't spend that time investigating the immigrants. It is simply the fact that the US has set an arbitrary limit for the amount of people who can immigrate to the US per country per year. So if you are coming from Mexico it can easily be a wait of over 20 years, while coming from another country can drop the wait down to a year or two. US immigration is rather badly designed.

I thought it was a flat seven years green card to citizenship?

Edit: I could be mistaken, that's why I'm asking.

Spirit of Hope is correct. In our case, their were so many Cuban immigration applications it took years for our turn to emigrate legally to the USA. At the time Cubans in Cuba who emigrated legally had to work on a Cuban government farm as so called voluntary labor until their visas were approved by the US and Cuban government.

In our case our family in Chicago who also emigrated legally the right way. Requested immigration visas for us and paid all related expenses. They had to sign a certified afidavid stating they would be responsible for all our expenses for at least a year. At first we stayed at a refugee center in Miami for a few months. Then we stayed at their house in Chicago free of charge for a few months until we could fend for ourselves.

Then years later we did the same for other family members.

We were thrown eggs at, and called anti social, anti democratic, anti revolutionary gusano worms, escoria scums, La Gusanera, by government organized mobs of the Committees for the Defense of the Revolution CDRs. While the police stood by and did nothing. No wonder their is an egg shortage in Cuba.

This practice is still being done today mostly against anti government dissidents.

Up too a few years ago under Raúl and Fidel, when your immigration visa was approved, the Committee's for the Defense of the Revolution CDRs would come to your house and seal the house or room off and take everything for the revolution. The CDRs would spy on your house to make sure you did not take anything out of the house and give it to your family.

[LRON]

From what I was told it was to make sure you weren't a shitbag and were capable of being a good law abiding citizen. It makes sense to me.

It shouldn't take six years to figure out whether someone is a shit person or not.

Scum can wait and hide a few years, but after that it is pushing for them; six years seems about right. Long enough to weed out the scum but not too long for the good and honest ones.

[Idzequitch]

It shouldn't take six years to figure out whether someone is a shit person or not.

Scum can wait and hide a few years, but after that it is pushing for them; six years seems about right. Long enough to weed out the scum but not too long for the good and honest ones.

Six years is approaching 10% of the average lifespan. That's an outrageous amount of time to make someone wait to cross an arbitrary line. Not to mention that it's then seven more years after that until you can become a citizen. And also we mustn't discount how much Trump loves to revoke green cards and send people back where they came from after waiting so long to enter. There is absolutely nothing fair or just about how any of this works.

[Idzequitch]

I thought it was a flat seven years green card to citizenship?

Edit: I could be mistaken, that's why I'm asking.

Spirit of Hope is correct. In our case, their were so many Cuban immigration applications it took years for our turn to emigrate legally to the USA. At the time Cubans in Cuba who emigrated legally had to work on a Cuban government farm as so called voluntary labor until their visas were approved by the US and Cuban government.

In our case our family in Chicago who also emigrated legally the right way. Requested immigration visas for us and paid all related expenses. They had to sign a certified afidavid stating they would be responsible for all our expenses for at least a year. At first we stayed at a refugee center in Miami for a few months. Then we stayed at their house in Chicago free of charge for a few months until we could fend for ourselves.

Then years later we did the same for other family members.

We were thrown eggs at, and called anti social, anti democratic, anti revolutionary gusano worms, escoria scums, La Gusanera, by government organized mobs of the Committees for the Defense of the Revolution CDRs. While the police stood by and did nothing. No wonder their is an egg shortage in Cuba.

This practice is still being done today mostly against anti government dissidents.

Up too a few years ago under Raúl and Fidel, when your immigration visa was approved, the Committee's for the Defense of the Revolution CDRs would come to your house and seal the house or room off and take everything for the revolution. The CDRs would spy on your house to make sure you did not take anything out of the house and give it to your family.

See but the thing is that it took that long for you, and you even had more going for you than most people do. This is a system that obviously needs to be completely revamped, because it is seriously broken, and really doesn't work for anyone.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Spirit of Hope is correct. In our case, their were so many Cuban immigration applications it took years for our turn to emigrate legally to the USA. At the time Cubans in Cuba who emigrated legally had to work on a Cuban government farm as so called voluntary labor until their visas were approved by the US and Cuban government.

In our case our family in Chicago who also emigrated legally the right way. Requested immigration visas for us and paid all related expenses. They had to sign a certified afidavid stating they would be responsible for all our expenses for at least a year. At first we stayed at a refugee center in Miami for a few months. Then we stayed at their house in Chicago free of charge for a few months until we could fend for ourselves.

Then years later we did the same for other family members.

We were thrown eggs at, and called anti social, anti democratic, anti revolutionary gusano worms, escoria scums, La Gusanera, by government organized mobs of the Committees for the Defense of the Revolution CDRs. While the police stood by and did nothing. No wonder their is an egg shortage in Cuba.

This practice is still being done today mostly against anti government dissidents.

Up too a few years ago under Raúl and Fidel, when your immigration visa was approved, the Committee's for the Defense of the Revolution CDRs would come to your house and seal the house or room off and take everything for the revolution. The CDRs would spy on your house to make sure you did not take anything out of the house and give it to your family.

See but the thing is that it took that long for you, and you even had more going for you than most people do. This is a system that obviously needs to be completely revamped, because it is seriously broken, and really doesn't work for anyone.

Our Point is we stayed in hell hole Cuba for x numbers of years until we could emigrate legally to the USA. We did not emigrate illegally.

[Imperial Joseon]

I support legal immigration not illegal immigration. I support President Trump. But I respect those who support the Democrats. That is their democratic right to do so.

He abolished DACA, even.