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Postby Seangoli » Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:48 am

Aureumterra wrote:
Crockerland wrote:Not sure about jaywalkers but stopping illegal aliens from invading our country is definitely a priority.

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While true that the comparison is ridiculous, ICE is often pretty much the shittiest shitstain on the underpants if the law enforcement community. There have been multiple cases in which they have arrested and detained US citizens, and once you are in their system your life is miserable and your fate might not be decided for days, weeks, months, or in some cases years (and yes, there have been recent cases US citizens detained for years, wrongly). Often, ICE ignored exculpatory evidence, their databases are wrong, or they target the wrong person. Hell, they were responsible for deporting an actual US citizen not too long ago, who only got back to the US by the Grace's of the Guatemalan government.


If you are a US citizen caught on the wrong end of ICE, there is very little you can do to get out of it in anything approaching a timely manner. Yet, ICE is treated above reproach, and these illegal, and arguably unconstitutional, abuses against citizens ignored for it. Any other law enforcement agency would be drowning in civil rights abuse lawsuits for wrongfully detaining a citizen for extended periods of time. For ICE, it's just another Tuesday.

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:50 am

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Gormwood wrote:You're perfectly fine with using SWAT teams to take down jaywalkers. Got it.

Not sure about jaywalkers but stopping illegal aliens from invading our country is definitely a priority.

ICE doesn't stop people from entering the US. That's literally not their job.
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Postby Aureumterra » Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:52 am

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
San Lumen wrote:They are becoming like the Gestapo.

What the fuck Lumen? Do you realize the magnitude of the comparison you just made? The Gestapo actively seeked political opponents and tortured and killed them in cruel ways

Well I mean comparing things in America to Nazi Germany has become Lumen’s pastime lately
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:54 am

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Greater Miami Shores wrote:Legal Immigration is legal immigration and illegal immigration is illegal immigration, and should not be tolerated, it is that easy to understand.

Apparently not


When did I say it wasn't?

The amount of expenditure on detaining illegal immigrants who have other wise broken no laws is just not a worth while investment.

You either reorganize ICE to not be run by heartless dicks while improveing funding to them to humanly handle the allaged illegal immigrants. Or you scrap it and just focus on deporting people who are activly doing horrible things.

Do it humanly and properly or set your sites on illegal immigrants who activlely do harm to others.

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Postby Gormwood » Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:55 am

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San Lumen wrote:They are becoming like the Gestapo. Im surprised he hasn't announced the arrest of sanctuary city mayors yet.

They are whisking away political dissidents into death camps or outright shooting them twice in the back of the head out in secluded areas?

They didn't do those at the Japanese internment camps but nobody except racists called them perfectly humane.
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Postby Seangoli » Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:56 am

Aureumterra wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:What the fuck Lumen? Do you realize the magnitude of the comparison you just made? The Gestapo actively seeked political opponents and tortured and killed them in cruel ways

Well I mean comparing things in America to Nazi Germany has become Lumen’s pastime lately


I more like a comparison to Fascist Italy-esque. Trump strike me more of a Mussolini than a Hitler.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:56 am

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LRON wrote:They are whisking away political dissidents into death camps or outright shooting them twice in the back of the head out in secluded areas?

They didn't do those at the Japanese internment camps but nobody except racists called them perfectly humane.

and now it is recognized how awful it was. You can ask George Takai how great the internment camps were.

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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:57 am

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Aureumterra wrote:Well I mean comparing things in America to Nazi Germany has become Lumen’s pastime lately


I more like a comparison to Fascist Italy-esque. Trump strike me more of a Mussolini than a Hitler.

Nah, Mussolini could actually talk and inspire people with charismatic speeches made up of comprehensive sentences
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:58 am

Seangoli wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Well I mean comparing things in America to Nazi Germany has become Lumen’s pastime lately


I more like a comparison to Fascist Italy-esque. Trump strike me more of a Mussolini than a Hitler.


Both are bald and incredibly incompetent.

Thats where the similarities end.

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:59 am

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
Seangoli wrote:
I more like a comparison to Fascist Italy-esque. Trump strike me more of a Mussolini than a Hitler.

Nah, Mussolini could actually talk and inspire people with charismatic speeches made up of comprehensive sentences

High praise for a genocidal maniac.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:02 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Nah, Mussolini could actually talk and inspire people with charismatic speeches made up of comprehensive sentences

High praise for a genocidal maniac.

Sure, you can take it that way
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Postby Aclion » Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:12 am

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
Seangoli wrote:
I more like a comparison to Fascist Italy-esque. Trump strike me more of a Mussolini than a Hitler.

Nah, Mussolini could actually talk and inspire people with charismatic speeches made up of comprehensive sentences

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Postby Seangoli » Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:17 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Seangoli wrote:
I more like a comparison to Fascist Italy-esque. Trump strike me more of a Mussolini than a Hitler.


Both are bald and incredibly incompetent.

Thats where the similarities end.


Eh, a lot of the rhetoric Trump uses and his approaches are right out of Mussolini's playbook. Not to say the US is a Fascist state ala' Fascist Italy, but rather Trump is a wannabe Mussolini-esque leader and appeals to many of the same things Mussolini appealed to to gain power.

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Postby Gormwood » Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:32 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Nah, Mussolini could actually talk and inspire people with charismatic speeches made up of comprehensive sentences

High praise for a genocidal maniac.

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Postby Valrifell » Mon Feb 17, 2020 1:07 pm

Crockerland wrote:
Gormwood wrote:You're perfectly fine with using SWAT teams to take down jaywalkers. Got it.

Not sure about jaywalkers but stopping illegal aliens from invading our country is definitely a priority.


I found the racist subtext!
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Feb 17, 2020 1:13 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Crockerland wrote:Not sure about jaywalkers but stopping illegal aliens from invading our country is definitely a priority.


I found the racist subtext!

Stop looking in Donald Trump's porn stash and look at Crockerland's post smh
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Feb 17, 2020 1:14 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
I found the racist subtext!

Stop looking in Donald Trump's porn stash and look at Crockerland's post smh

There's a difference? They're both piss takes
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Postby LRON » Mon Feb 17, 2020 1:16 pm

Gormwood wrote:
LRON wrote:They are whisking away political dissidents into death camps or outright shooting them twice in the back of the head out in secluded areas?

They didn't do those at the Japanese internment camps but nobody except racists called them perfectly humane.

Which wasn't the Gestapo. I know American education is quite poor, but really one would be able to know that the Gestapo were in Nazi Germany. As for the internment camps, well for the Japanese many of them were American citizens which is why it is wrong. Internment camps are quite useful for holding large amounts of people. Unless you would rather they be sent to America's overcrowded prisons instead?
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Postby Cisairse » Mon Feb 17, 2020 1:19 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Stop looking in Donald Trump's porn stash and look at Crockerland's post smh

There's a difference? They're both piss takes


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Postby Aureumterra » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:30 pm

LRON wrote:
Gormwood wrote:They didn't do those at the Japanese internment camps but nobody except racists called them perfectly humane.

Which wasn't the Gestapo. I know American education is quite poor, but really one would be able to know that the Gestapo were in Nazi Germany.

I was always taught it stood for German State Police
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Postby Nakena » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:40 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
LRON wrote:Which wasn't the Gestapo. I know American education is quite poor, but really one would be able to know that the Gestapo were in Nazi Germany.

I was always taught it stood for German State Police


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Postby Nakena » Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:23 pm

Seangoli wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Well I mean comparing things in America to Nazi Germany has become Lumen’s pastime lately


I more like a comparison to Fascist Italy-esque. Trump strike me more of a Mussolini than a Hitler.


Trump is more Berlusconi than Mussolini.

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:09 pm

Seangoli wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Well I mean comparing things in America to Nazi Germany has become Lumen’s pastime lately


I more like a comparison to Fascist Italy-esque. Trump strike me more of a Mussolini than a Hitler.


Well that's odd. My Grandfather said the same thing. Said it was in his demeanor and the way he held his chin.

Which given he was alive during WW2 kinda gave me pause back in 2016.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:11 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Seangoli wrote:
I more like a comparison to Fascist Italy-esque. Trump strike me more of a Mussolini than a Hitler.


Well that's odd. My Grandfather said the same thing. Said it was in his demeanor and the way he held his chin.

Which given he was alive during WW2 kinda gave me pause back in 2016.

He was born in 1946, so ...
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Postby Imperial Joseon » Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:22 pm

Nakena wrote:
Seangoli wrote:
I more like a comparison to Fascist Italy-esque. Trump strike me more of a Mussolini than a Hitler.


Trump is more Berlusconi than Mussolini.


I say he's more like Mussolini that he fails to maintain agriculture and economy of his nation.
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