MAGAThread XVIII: The Authority Is Total

[Ifreann]

Now there is a conspiracy. Released on bail.

Making up dirt?

Released on bail for felony arson?

For attempted arson. There wasn't actually a fire, so it's the least serious kind of arson possible.

Of course you have proof the feds withheld something from most states so they would support the drinking age law?

Not exactly sure how that is even relevant to what trump did?

National Minimum Legal Drinking Act

And Congress passed this law to stop states from suing them personally or their businesses?

[Gormwood]

Of course you have proof the feds withheld something from most states so they would support the drinking age law?

Not exactly sure how that is even relevant to what trump did?

National Minimum Legal Drinking Act

So how does dropping the lawsuits against Trump and his business advance the interest of anything besides Trump?

[The Emerald Legion]

National Minimum Legal Drinking Act

So how does dropping the lawsuits against Trump and his business advance the interest of anything besides Trump?

Weren't these the lawsuits started solely to fuck Trump over personally for being a political opponent? Or was there something more to them?

[Ifreann]

So how does dropping the lawsuits against Trump and his business advance the interest of anything besides Trump?

Weren't these the lawsuits started solely to fuck Trump over personally for being a political opponent? Or was there something more to them?

This sounds like something that Trump would have argued in court, and since the lawsuits are proceeding I'm gonna go ahead and guess that he lost.

[Corrian]

Trump contradicts past denials, admits sending Giuliani to Ukraine

[Gormwood]

Trump contradicts past denials, admits sending Giuliani to Ukraine

Why should he be consistent when he knows the GOP will coddle him like a spoiled brat no matter what he does?

[Duhon]

Trump contradicts past denials, admits sending Giuliani to Ukraine

Why should he be consistent when he knows the GOP will coddle him like a spoiled brat no matter what he does?

indeed

just fucking revolt already

[Washington Resistance Army]

Why should he be consistent when he knows the GOP will coddle him like a spoiled brat no matter what he does?

indeed

just fucking revolt already

I hope the irony of you saying this while tolerating Duterte isn't lost on you.

[Duhon]

indeed

just fucking revolt already

I hope the irony of you saying this while tolerating Duterte isn't lost on you.

ask senkaku how i feel about duts alive and kicking my country to the curb, for one

the only irony here is that i'm a democrat who wants change to come non-democratically, but that shit HURTS

[Cannot think of a name]

Why should he be consistent when he knows the GOP will coddle him like a spoiled brat no matter what he does?

indeed

just fucking revolt already

Let's say I take your exhaustively stupid advice. Cool. I'm not going to let the election play out because one election didn't go my way and the last thing to happen is always the thing that's going to happen because we're goldfish. Super.

Let me review my training. A couple years of a community Kenpo class where I was given a pity orange belt. Last time I tried to use it I was a yellow belt and lost two points to nothing to a white belt. This should be awesome.

My physical fitness is...lacking.

Gonna need a weapon. Right now I'm trying to work out how to get a handful of grocery items to get me to payday if this cold doesn't let up and I can't busk on Valentines Day...you gotta give the sax man a dollar on Valentines day or it won't end the sexy sax music if you know what I mean.

So, gotta wait until payday.

Despite the rhetoric about California and guns, I'm walking distance to like four gun shops so one of them is gonna have something. Can't tell them what I want it for, though...not only is it sedition, those guys probably like Trump. Which is a bummer, because while I've gone shooting with a friend and found that I am passable with a rifle, that's only if we're shooting left over promo CDs at not exactly Enemy at the Gates distances.

Gonna need to find someone to teach me how to shoot that gun, don't want to rely on that orange belt in Kenpo...you know, since it was just a reflection of me not giving up despite clear evidence karate wasn't taking.

Also gotta find a friend whose down for the revolution, because the shooting range on the other side of the highway doesn't let first timers in to use the guns and I have sad eyes, even with a friend they're going to assume I'm there to kill myself.

Cool, so I spend my waiting period going to the shooty place learning how to shoot something other than Judy Collins CDs. Maybe, if I work really hard, next month I can take one of those weekend warrior classes that propose to give you some sort of combat training so that my airsoft game is on point.

Okay, well, we're about a month out now, maybe two. I've spent all my money on a gun and people teaching me how to use it. Probably on a watch list at that point, who knows.

Anyway...now I have to rally up some troops, right? I'm not taking the best rifle $500 could buy and my orange belt and storming the white house rambo style. Assuming this process of recruiting doesn't get me turned in by a concerned person or my friends trying to stage an intervention, maybe I can find one or two people who were thinking, "At last!"

Of course we'd have to find common ground on a course of action. What month is it by now? Three or four at least, and that's assuming their path to a gun is smoother than mine. Shit, is it like June or July already?

Okay. So we're going to revolt. I got my gun, someone showed me which end the bullets come out. I'm full of righteous rage and absolutely horrible advice about what to do about it by someone on a forum I go to in order to avoid work. Great.

...gotta attack something. Not sure what. There are a lot of military bases and assets in the area. If I want this to be over quickly I can start there. I'll be shot dead before it hits the news. I can go after an easier target, a federal building somewhere. There I might be shot dead a little tater. Maybe I should go to the seat of power, give myself a nice cross country trip to be arrested or shot before I even begin to revolt where I'm shot dead immediately.

In fact, it doesn't matter where I start, the end result is going to be me shot dead before I even manage to do enough harm to be the subject of some smug right winger who thinks my attempts absolves the right of anything they do. Someone does something shitty? What about that pasty asshole who tried to revolt and got shot dead?

Maybe i can take on a MAGAcapper...that's not revolting, though. That's just killing someone for their political preference. Now I'm not a revolutionary I'm just a run of the mill asshole who the MAGAcapper has a pretty good chance of shooting dead anyway.

I think I can maybe save some steps and just shoot myself dead. It won't address the political issues in the United States but then I won't have to read someone who hasn't even kind of thought it through posting yet again that I should go out and get myself pointlessly killed as a solution to a bad president.

So, let me ask you. Who do you want to shoot me dead? You will not be satisfied unless I get myself killed over this president, so streamline it for me. Maybe I can skip the whole buying a gun part and go straight to someone killing me and it having zero effect on the president. Who would you like to kill me? What's going to be the most satisfying pointless death for me that's going to get your needle to skip to the next track? Who would you like to end my life so we don't have to read yet another impotent and ridiculous call for armed revolution?

[Chernoslavia]

Obama renewed and extended the PATRIOT Act, didn't shut down black sites, assassinated an American citizen with no oversight etc etc. I shouldn't even need to list off things Bush did. Trump is no more authoritarian than either of the people who have been president in the lifetimes of most people on this forum. Shit if anything he's less authoritarian because his own incompetence prevents the worst excesses.

So who did Obama fire for ratting him out?

Gauth is known to care less about people's rights.

[Chernoslavia]

indeed

just fucking revolt already

Let's say I take your exhaustively stupid advice. Cool. I'm not going to let the election play out because one election didn't go my way and the last thing to happen is always the thing that's going to happen because we're goldfish. Super.

Let me review my training. A couple years of a community Kenpo class where I was given a pity orange belt. Last time I tried to use it I was a yellow belt and lost two points to nothing to a white belt. This should be awesome.

My physical fitness is...lacking.

Gonna need a weapon. Right now I'm trying to work out how to get a handful of grocery items to get me to payday if this cold doesn't let up and I can't busk on Valentines Day...you gotta give the sax man a dollar on Valentines day or it won't end the sexy sax music if you know what I mean.

So, gotta wait until payday.

Despite the rhetoric about California and guns, I'm walking distance to like four gun shops so one of them is gonna have something. Can't tell them what I want it for, though...not only is it sedition, those guys probably like Trump. Which is a bummer, because while I've gone shooting with a friend and found that I am passable with a rifle, that's only if we're shooting left over promo CDs at not exactly Enemy at the Gates distances.

Gonna need to find someone to teach me how to shoot that gun, don't want to rely on that orange belt in Kenpo...you know, since it was just a reflection of me not giving up despite clear evidence karate wasn't taking.

Also gotta find a friend whose down for the revolution, because the shooting range on the other side of the highway doesn't let first timers in to use the guns and I have sad eyes, even with a friend they're going to assume I'm there to kill myself.

Cool, so I spend my waiting period going to the shooty place learning how to shoot something other than Judy Collins CDs. Maybe, if I work really hard, next month I can take one of those weekend warrior classes that propose to give you some sort of combat training so that my airsoft game is on point.

Okay, well, we're about a month out now, maybe two. I've spent all my money on a gun and people teaching me how to use it. Probably on a watch list at that point, who knows.

Anyway...now I have to rally up some troops, right? I'm not taking the best rifle $500 could buy and my orange belt and storming the white house rambo style. Assuming this process of recruiting doesn't get me turned in by a concerned person or my friends trying to stage an intervention, maybe I can find one or two people who were thinking, "At last!"

Of course we'd have to find common ground on a course of action. What month is it by now? Three or four at least, and that's assuming their path to a gun is smoother than mine. Shit, is it like June or July already?

Okay. So we're going to revolt. I got my gun, someone showed me which end the bullets come out. I'm full of righteous rage and absolutely horrible advice about what to do about it by someone on a forum I go to in order to avoid work. Great.

...gotta attack something. Not sure what. There are a lot of military bases and assets in the area. If I want this to be over quickly I can start there. I'll be shot dead before it hits the news. I can go after an easier target, a federal building somewhere. There I might be shot dead a little tater. Maybe I should go to the seat of power, give myself a nice cross country trip to be arrested or shot before I even begin to revolt where I'm shot dead immediately.

In fact, it doesn't matter where I start, the end result is going to be me shot dead before I even manage to do enough harm to be the subject of some smug right winger who thinks my attempts absolves the right of anything they do. Someone does something shitty? What about that pasty asshole who tried to revolt and got shot dead?

Maybe i can take on a MAGAcapper...that's not revolting, though. That's just killing someone for their political preference. Now I'm not a revolutionary I'm just a run of the mill asshole who the MAGAcapper has a pretty good chance of shooting dead anyway.

I think I can maybe save some steps and just shoot myself dead. It won't address the political issues in the United States but then I won't have to read someone who hasn't even kind of thought it through posting yet again that I should go out and get myself pointlessly killed as a solution to a bad president.

So, let me ask you. Who do you want to shoot me dead? You will not be satisfied unless I get myself killed over this president, so streamline it for me. Maybe I can skip the whole buying a gun part and go straight to someone killing me and it having zero effect on the president. Who would you like to kill me? What's going to be the most satisfying pointless death for me that's going to get your needle to skip to the next track? Who would you like to end my life so we don't have to read yet another impotent and ridiculous call for armed revolution?

A magacapper?

[Idzequitch]

And?

It withholds federal highway funds from states unless they set the minimum drinking age to 21.

That is a Political quid pro quo done by all Presidents Republicans and Democrats too.[/quote]
One of these days, maybe you'll realize that "hey, both sides do it!" is not a justification for wrongdoing.

[Greater Miami Shores]

It withholds federal highway funds from states unless they set the minimum drinking age to 21.

That is a Political quid pro quo done by all Presidents Republicans and Democrats too.

One of these days, maybe you'll realize that "hey, both sides do it!" is not a justification for wrongdoing.[/quote]
Oh I know and I realize that both sides do it, is not a justification for wrongdoing. The problem is when I point this point out, I still get told that I am wrong. I get told that I am deflecting.

[Serksis Federation]

It withholds federal highway funds from states unless they set the minimum drinking age to 21.

One of these days, maybe you'll realize that "hey, both sides do it!" is not a justification for wrongdoing.

Maybe the discussion should be stopping political quid pro quo all together in the future and not repeatedly targeting one person for it and not stoping the problem. Or maybe make it a crime....

[Greater Miami Shores]

That is a Political quid pro quo done by all Presidents Republicans and Democrats too.

One of these days, maybe you'll realize that "hey, both sides do it!" is not a justification for wrongdoing.

Posted by Serksis Federation:
Maybe the discussion should be stopping political quid pro quo all together in the future and not repeatedly targeting one person for it and not stoping the problem. Or maybe make it a crime....[/quote]
Somehow the quotes got messed up. But I think I made it worse trying to fix it. Aclion posted the first quote, I posted the second quote and Idz posted the third quote. Then I posted to Idz: Oh I know and I realize that both sides do it, is not a justification for wrongdoing. The problem is when I point this point out, I still get told that I am wrong. I get told that I am deflecting.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

One government forcing another government to do something, by threat of with-holding, is extremely common and not even a problem. Congress can force the White House to turn over documents or witnesses, for an immediate example. The example chosen by Aclion, the National Minimum Legal Drinking Act, was tested in court and found to be constitutional ... there was apparently enough linkage between improving highways (with a safety benefit) and banning alcohol for young people so they'd be less likely to drive drunk (again a safety benefit) that banning alcohol for young people would serve the same purpose as funding highways. Yeah, I know.

I've never liked that law, but it's not because I think drinking age is a matter for states to decide, instead I dislike it because it's limiting what legal adults can do for no good reason.

[Vassenor]

One government forcing another government to do something, by threat of with-holding, is extremely common and not even a problem. Congress can force the White House to turn over documents or witnesses, for an immediate example. The example chosen by Aclion, the National Minimum Legal Drinking Act, was tested in court and found to be constitutional ... there was apparently enough linkage between improving highways (with a safety benefit) and banning alcohol for young people so they'd be less likely to drive drunk (again a safety benefit) that banning alcohol for young people would serve the same purpose as funding highways. Yeah, I know.

I've never liked that law, but it's not because I think drinking age is a matter for states to decide, instead I dislike it because it's limiting what legal adults can do for no good reason.

So it's fine for Trump to extort the state of New York for explicit personal benefit then?

[The East Marches II]

One government forcing another government to do something, by threat of with-holding, is extremely common and not even a problem. Congress can force the White House to turn over documents or witnesses, for an immediate example. The example chosen by Aclion, the National Minimum Legal Drinking Act, was tested in court and found to be constitutional ... there was apparently enough linkage between improving highways (with a safety benefit) and banning alcohol for young people so they'd be less likely to drive drunk (again a safety benefit) that banning alcohol for young people would serve the same purpose as funding highways. Yeah, I know.

I've never liked that law, but it's not because I think drinking age is a matter for states to decide, instead I dislike it because it's limiting what legal adults can do for no good reason.

So it's fine for Trump to extort the state of New York for explicit personal benefit then?

That isn't what they said Vassenor. What a stupid strawman you constructed. The usual when you've no actual reply. GG no re.

[Aclion]

Obama renewed and extended the PATRIOT Act, didn't shut down black sites, assassinated an American citizen with no oversight etc etc. I shouldn't even need to list off things Bush did. Trump is no more authoritarian than either of the people who have been president in the lifetimes of most people on this forum. Shit if anything he's less authoritarian because his own incompetence prevents the worst excesses.

So who did Obama fire for ratting him out?

Obama didn't have that problem because he cleaned house first thing, replacing most of the staff with his own people; and judging by the the way they've behaved under Trump it looks like that will be a necessity for every new administration, otherwise they'll have to deal with the other parties operatives working to sabotage their policies and get them out of office..

[Nobel Hobos 2]

One government forcing another government to do something, by threat of with-holding, is extremely common and not even a problem. Congress can force the White House to turn over documents or witnesses, for an immediate example. The example chosen by Aclion, the National Minimum Legal Drinking Act, was tested in court and found to be constitutional ... there was apparently enough linkage between improving highways (with a safety benefit) and banning alcohol for young people so they'd be less likely to drive drunk (again a safety benefit) that banning alcohol for young people would serve the same purpose as funding highways. Yeah, I know.

I've never liked that law, but it's not because I think drinking age is a matter for states to decide, instead I dislike it because it's limiting what legal adults can do for no good reason.

So it's fine for Trump to extort the state of New York for explicit personal benefit then?

Of course not. But I will give Aclion credit for a well chosen example. National Minimum Drinking Age Act ... particularly since it went to the SC.

I'm pretty sure the President with-holding spending mandated by Congress is illegal. It came up in the Ukraine matter.

[Gormwood]

So who did Obama fire for ratting him out?

Gauth is known to care less about people's rights.

That's a very pointless nonsequitur and ad hominem package there.

[Gormwood]

So who did Obama fire for ratting him out?

Obama didn't have that problem because he cleaned house first thing, replacing most of the staff with his own people; and judging by the the way they've behaved under Trump it looks like that will be a necessity for every new administration, otherwise they'll have to deal with the other parties operatives working to sabotage their policies and get them out of office..

There would have been less griping if Trump did clean house in the beginning instead of this wait until they piss him off then replace them spree he's in the middle of right now. And it's rather paranoid to assume every single employee from a previous administration is mandated to sabotage the incoming one.

[Ifreann]

Obama didn't have that problem because he cleaned house first thing, replacing most of the staff with his own people; and judging by the the way they've behaved under Trump it looks like that will be a necessity for every new administration, otherwise they'll have to deal with the other parties operatives working to sabotage their policies and get them out of office..

There would have been less griping if Trump did clean house in the beginning instead of this wait until they piss him off then replace them spree he's in the middle of right now. And it's rather paranoid to assume every single employee from a previous administration is mandated to sabotage the incoming one.

Trump did replace a lot of Obama appointees when he took office.

[Alien Space Bats]

Trump did replace a lot of Obama appointees when he took office.

I sometimes get the sense that Trump supporters would like to see our Civil Service laws repealed.

<pause>

Students of history can probably work out how colossally bad an idea that would be, but I don't imagine most Trump supporters to be serious students of history.