MAGAThread XVIII: The Authority Is Total

[Tekania]

I personally don't see that going anywhere. The best trump can do is posit that he violated a direct order. However orders have to be lawful. And an order to ignore a lawful congressional subpoena are unlawful and as such LTC Vindman would in accordance with his oath and Article 92 ignore such an unlawful order. Orders must be lawful.

As established Trump, like any other president has the right to invoke executive privilege.

Executive privilege is an argument for resisting a subpoena and is made before a court. It's not an absolute. It in fact has been nullified in past instances (such as in the case of President Clinton in the Lewinsky matter in calling aides in his administration to testify and the administration legally challenged the subpoenas). It doesn't form any obligation for LTC Vindman to ignore a lawful subpoena, though it may form an argument for attempting to fight the subpoena had the Trump administration sued to resist the subpoenas (and even then no grantee that said argument would win, as said the court would then decide whether it would apply and there are cases where they have in fact decided it didn't.) But as the Trump administration did not do legally challenge the subpoenas talking about executive privilege is moot in the case with LTC Vindman. Trump in fact did not in fact take any of the subpoenas before the court to assert executive privilege.

[Duhon]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Wednesday he did not mind Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte's decision to end a decades-old military agreement with the United States, a position at odds with that of his defense secretary who viewed the move with dismay.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-d ... 05976.html
YOU STUPID ORANGE FUCKER!!!
UGH!!!

He is actually making us weaker! Fucking Christ!

this is more duts' id ball than trump's id ball

while "duts loves xi and loathes americans" is an exaggeration, it isn't much of one, and had a different admin took over in washington, duts would've said sayonara much, much earlier

because nothing keeps my country's motherfucker awake at night than people criticising him for his bloodiness

[Duhon]

Listen people. You're either for Trump or against him. He's that fucking polarizing. You don't have to be a genius to figure this out. It's that simple at this point. This presidency has gotta be ended on election day. Nothing we do this year is more important. Nothing. Not which candidate is the Dem nominee. Not your own personal pet issue. Nothing. WE MUST VOTE OUT THIS MANIAC. The fate of SCOTUS for the next 30+ years hangs in the balance.

To the progressive left... Please don't fuck this up if Bernie doesn't get nominated. If you do, it won't be forgotten and there will likely be serious consequences for the liberal agenda. Vote for the nominee.

To the moderates... If the nominee is a progressive like Sanders or Warren, give them your votes. Do not fuck this up. There is no way a progressive is worse than Trump. No way. Just vote for the nominee.

To African Americans... vote for the Dem nominee, even if they aren't the best candidate to serve your needs. You don't want the blame for this if it goes down. Go to the polls on election day. Take a neighbor. Vote for the nominee.

To all those against Trump... Get all of your asses out to vote for the Democratic ticket on election day, no matter who that person might be. This might be the last chance to save your country.

vote? when nothing effectively restrains him from doing his worst at the ballot box?

save yourselves the trouble of crushing disappointment that your millions can't expel a motherfucker with his pussygrabbing hands on every step of the election process and

FUCKING
REVOLT
ALREADY

[Duhon]

If only he had billed himself as the worlds greatest negotiator...

The Philippines haven't been interested in negotiating with us since Obama was president.

actually no, the philippines hasn't been interested in negotiating with you since duts became the asshole-in-chief

[Duhon]

Listen people. You're either for Trump or against him. He's that fucking polarizing. You don't have to be a genius to figure this out. It's that simple at this point. This presidency has gotta be ended on election day. Nothing we do this year is more important. Nothing. Not which candidate is the Dem nominee. Not your own personal pet issue. Nothing. WE MUST VOTE OUT THIS MANIAC. The fate of SCOTUS for the next 30+ years hangs in the balance.

To the progressive left... Please don't fuck this up if Bernie doesn't get nominated. If you do, it won't be forgotten and there will likely be serious consequences for the liberal agenda. Vote for the nominee.

To the moderates... If the nominee is a progressive like Sanders or Warren, give them your votes. Do not fuck this up. There is no way a progressive is worse than Trump. No way. Just vote for the nominee.

To African Americans... vote for the Dem nominee, even if they aren't the best candidate to serve your needs. You don't want the blame for this if it goes down. Go to the polls on election day. Take a neighbor. Vote for the nominee.

To all those against Trump... Get all of your asses out to vote for the Democratic ticket on election day, no matter who that person might be. This might be the last chance to save your country.

I think you're overselling it.

he's a fucking authoritarian, thus fucking ever to him and his lot

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I'm against Trump because I want single-payer and he stands in the way of that. I'm against Trump because I want a living wage and he stands in the way of that. I'm against Trump because he is a climate change denier who does the bidding of the fossil fuel lobby. I'm against Trump because his regime is worsening wealth inequality. I'm against Trump because he wages wars of aggression that need to be ended.

But people are telling me, vote for this candidate even though they won't stop the death machine of capitalist health care, even though they won't implement a living wage, even though they will continue to serve the fossil fuel lobby at the expense of the planet, even though they will do nothing to stop billionaires from hoarding the nation's wealth, even though they will continue to wage wars of aggression. Because we need to get Trump out of the White House. Why do we need to get Trump out of office if not because of these issues?

And I still say that if the next President is a neoliberal who does nothing to improve material conditions, that will only further fuel the backlash that the reactionary right thrives on, and within a decade we'll have an even worse version of Trump take power.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

I'm against Trump because I want single-payer and he stands in the way of that. I'm against Trump because I want a living wage and he stands in the way of that. I'm against Trump because he is a climate change denier who does the bidding of the fossil fuel lobby. I'm against Trump because his regime is worsening wealth inequality. I'm against Trump because he wages wars of aggression that need to be ended.

But people are telling me, vote for this candidate even though they won't stop the death machine of capitalist health care, even though they won't implement a living wage, even though they will continue to serve the fossil fuel lobby at the expense of the planet, even though they will do nothing to stop billionaires from hoarding the nation's wealth, even though they will continue to wage wars of aggression. Because we need to get Trump out of the White House. Why do we need to get Trump out of office if not because of these issues?

And I still say that if the next President is a neoliberal who does nothing to improve material conditions, that will only further fuel the backlash that the reactionary right thrives on, and within a decade we'll have an even worse version of Trump take power.

There still is the racism to consider.

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I'm against Trump because I want single-payer and he stands in the way of that. I'm against Trump because I want a living wage and he stands in the way of that. I'm against Trump because he is a climate change denier who does the bidding of the fossil fuel lobby. I'm against Trump because his regime is worsening wealth inequality. I'm against Trump because he wages wars of aggression that need to be ended.

But people are telling me, vote for this candidate even though they won't stop the death machine of capitalist health care, even though they won't implement a living wage, even though they will continue to serve the fossil fuel lobby at the expense of the planet, even though they will do nothing to stop billionaires from hoarding the nation's wealth, even though they will continue to wage wars of aggression. Because we need to get Trump out of the White House. Why do we need to get Trump out of office if not because of these issues?

And I still say that if the next President is a neoliberal who does nothing to improve material conditions, that will only further fuel the backlash that the reactionary right thrives on, and within a decade we'll have an even worse version of Trump take power.

There still is the racism to consider.

Trump is actively racist but I think Klobuchar, Biden, and Buttigieg would fail to do anything meaningful to address racism, they just wouldn't tweet racist shit on Twitter.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

There still is the racism to consider.

Trump is actively racist but I think Klobuchar, Biden, and Buttigieg would fail to do anything meaningful to address racism, they just wouldn't tweet racist shit on Twitter.

Well, even though I disagree with that, were it true, it would still be an improvement.

It’s undeniable that having an actual rock from the Democratic party as president would be better than having Trump.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Trump is actively racist but I think Klobuchar, Biden, and Buttigieg would fail to do anything meaningful to address racism, they just wouldn't tweet racist shit on Twitter.

Well, even though I disagree with that, were it true, it would still be an improvement.

It’s undeniable that having an actual rock from the Democratic party as president would be better than having Trump.

Lol, I am having a lol attack, Good one Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States. But seriously, I know and I understand you are being very serious about your views of a rock. But it is still a good one and it is still your view your are entitled too.

[The of Korea]

Trump is actively racist but I think Klobuchar, Biden, and Buttigieg would fail to do anything meaningful to address racism, they just wouldn't tweet racist shit on Twitter.

Well, even though I disagree with that, were it true, it would still be an improvement.

It’s undeniable that having an actual rock from the Democratic party as president would be better than having Trump.

a slight improvement aint good enough, we need serious change and quick.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Well, even though I disagree with that, were it true, it would still be an improvement.

It’s undeniable that having an actual rock from the Democratic party as president would be better than having Trump.

Lol, I am having a lol attack, Good one Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States. But seriously, I know and I understand you are being very serious about your views of a rock. But it is still a good one and it is still your view your are entitled too.

[The Emerald Legion]

Listen people. You're either for Trump or against him. He's that fucking polarizing. You don't have to be a genius to figure this out. It's that simple at this point. This presidency has gotta be ended on election day. Nothing we do this year is more important. Nothing. Not which candidate is the Dem nominee. Not your own personal pet issue. Nothing. WE MUST VOTE OUT THIS MANIAC. The fate of SCOTUS for the next 30+ years hangs in the balance.

To the progressive left... Please don't fuck this up if Bernie doesn't get nominated. If you do, it won't be forgotten and there will likely be serious consequences for the liberal agenda. Vote for the nominee.

To the moderates... If the nominee is a progressive like Sanders or Warren, give them your votes. Do not fuck this up. There is no way a progressive is worse than Trump. No way. Just vote for the nominee.

To African Americans... vote for the Dem nominee, even if they aren't the best candidate to serve your needs. You don't want the blame for this if it goes down. Go to the polls on election day. Take a neighbor. Vote for the nominee.

To all those against Trump... Get all of your asses out to vote for the Democratic ticket on election day, no matter who that person might be. This might be the last chance to save your country.

vote? when nothing effectively restrains him from doing his worst at the ballot box?

save yourselves the trouble of crushing disappointment that your millions can't expel a motherfucker with his pussygrabbing hands on every step of the election process and

FUCKING
REVOLT
ALREADY

That would be hilarious to watch.

[Zional]

Bringing this over from the MAGA-Thread:

Giuliani has released his defense.

that was interesting

[Washington Resistance Army]

I think you're overselling it.

he's a fucking authoritarian, thus fucking ever to him and his lot

Bud every president since the 30's has been an authoritarian lol

[Cantelo]

he's a fucking authoritarian, thus fucking ever to him and his lot

Bud every president since the 30's has been an authoritarian lol

The enlightened centrism and lack of nuance is real

[Washington Resistance Army]

Bud every president since the 30's has been an authoritarian lol

The enlightened centrism and lack of nuance is real

Obama renewed and extended the PATRIOT Act, didn't shut down black sites, assassinated an American citizen with no oversight etc etc. I shouldn't even need to list off things Bush did. Trump is no more authoritarian than either of the people who have been president in the lifetimes of most people on this forum. Shit if anything he's less authoritarian because his own incompetence prevents the worst excesses.

[Paddy O Fernature]

vote? when nothing effectively restrains him from doing his worst at the ballot box?

save yourselves the trouble of crushing disappointment that your millions can't expel a motherfucker with his pussygrabbing hands on every step of the election process and

FUCKING
REVOLT
ALREADY

That would be hilarious to watch.

I'm going to go ahead and say that it would almost as funny to watch as when Antifa get's together and "Protests" literally anything.

The enlightened centrism and lack of nuance is real

Obama renewed and extended the PATRIOT Act, didn't shut down black sites, assassinated an American citizen with no oversight etc etc. I shouldn't even need to list off things Bush did. Trump is no more authoritarian than either of the people who have been president in the lifetimes of most people on this forum. Shit if anything he's less authoritarian because his own incompetence prevents the worst excesses.

Sad but true.

[Jerzylvania]

Listen people. You're either for Trump or against him. He's that fucking polarizing. You don't have to be a genius to figure this out. It's that simple at this point. This presidency has gotta be ended on election day. Nothing we do this year is more important. Nothing. Not which candidate is the Dem nominee. Not your own personal pet issue. Nothing. WE MUST VOTE OUT THIS MANIAC. The fate of SCOTUS for the next 30+ years hangs in the balance.

To the progressive left... Please don't fuck this up if Bernie doesn't get nominated. If you do, it won't be forgotten and there will likely be serious consequences for the liberal agenda. Vote for the nominee.

To the moderates... If the nominee is a progressive like Sanders or Warren, give them your votes. Do not fuck this up. There is no way a progressive is worse than Trump. No way. Just vote for the nominee.

To African Americans... vote for the Dem nominee, even if they aren't the best candidate to serve your needs. You don't want the blame for this if it goes down. Go to the polls on election day. Take a neighbor. Vote for the nominee.

To all those against Trump... Get all of your asses out to vote for the Democratic ticket on election day, no matter who that person might be. This might be the last chance to save your country.

Based on your Democrat Political views Yes. Based on our Republican Political views Heck No.

No, I am an independent that will vote for the Democratic nominee. Yes, you are a cult follower.

[Gormwood]

The enlightened centrism and lack of nuance is real

Obama renewed and extended the PATRIOT Act, didn't shut down black sites, assassinated an American citizen with no oversight etc etc. I shouldn't even need to list off things Bush did. Trump is no more authoritarian than either of the people who have been president in the lifetimes of most people on this forum. Shit if anything he's less authoritarian because his own incompetence prevents the worst excesses.

So who did Obama fire for ratting him out?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Obama renewed and extended the PATRIOT Act, didn't shut down black sites, assassinated an American citizen with no oversight etc etc. I shouldn't even need to list off things Bush did. Trump is no more authoritarian than either of the people who have been president in the lifetimes of most people on this forum. Shit if anything he's less authoritarian because his own incompetence prevents the worst excesses.

So who did Obama fire for ratting him out?

If you ask me a lot of the things Obama did are a whole lot worse than firing someone out of spite but you do you Gauth.

[Greater Miami Shores]

So who did Obama fire for ratting him out?

If you ask me a lot of the things Obama did are a whole lot worse than firing someone out of spite but you do you Gauth.

But if it is a Democrat President not a Republican President. Democrat Presidents are excused by the Democrats. I am not surprised and we Republicans are not surprised.

[The Emerald Legion]

Obama renewed and extended the PATRIOT Act, didn't shut down black sites, assassinated an American citizen with no oversight etc etc. I shouldn't even need to list off things Bush did. Trump is no more authoritarian than either of the people who have been president in the lifetimes of most people on this forum. Shit if anything he's less authoritarian because his own incompetence prevents the worst excesses.

So who did Obama fire for ratting him out?

Are you so quick to forget Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden?

Hell, Snowden is effectively exiled from the USA, and Manning is STILL in jail.

[Zahava]

So who did Obama fire for ratting him out?

Are you so quick to forget Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden?

Hell, Snowden is effectively exiled from the USA, and Manning is STILL in jail.

"Manning is STILL in jail" as she should be

[Bear Stearns]

The Philippines haven't been interested in negotiating with us since Obama was president.

actually no, the philippines hasn't been interested in negotiating with you since duts became the asshole-in-chief

Duterte unambiguously told Obama to fuck off and said he was "not a fan of Americans" when Obama was still president. He actually seemed to like Trump when he took office.