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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:24 am

San Lumen wrote:
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Your inability to conceive of wealth outside of caricatures of Rich and Poor makes discussion with you fairly difficult.

Not to mention College education and homes are different.

why should a college education be something only the rich can afford?


You don't have to be rich to go to college without loans.
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:24 am

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Kowani wrote:Didn’t Trump Fire Vindman’s brother, too?

Collective punishment. The specialty of mobsters and terrorists.

And schoolteachers, don't forget them.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:25 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
San Lumen wrote:why should a college education be something only the rich can afford?


You don't have to be rich to go to college without loans.


College is unaffordable for most without loans

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Postby Page » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:28 am

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Gormwood wrote:Collective punishment. The specialty of mobsters and terrorists.

And schoolteachers, don't forget them.


That reminds me of the kid who called out a collective punishment as a violation of her human rights as defined by the UN. If I had a kid, I'd want my kid to be like that.
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:31 am

Page wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:And schoolteachers, don't forget them.


That reminds me of the kid who called out a collective punishment as a violation of her human rights as defined by the UN. If I had a kid, I'd want my kid to be like that.

It's also, under the Fourth Geneva Convention, a war crime. Though I wonder if the Geneva Conventions actually apply to the US school system.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:32 am

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You don't have to be rich to go to college without loans.


College is unaffordable for most without loans


Simply incorrect.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:33 am

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College is unaffordable for most without loans


Simply incorrect.


Really? Have you seen the cost of college tuition?

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:33 am

San Lumen wrote:
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Simply incorrect.


Really? Have you seen the cost of college tuition?


Yes. Yes I have.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:34 am

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Really? Have you seen the cost of college tuition?


Yes. Yes I have.

and you think most people can afford it without loans or just pay their way through it with a part time job?

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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:39 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Page wrote:
That reminds me of the kid who called out a collective punishment as a violation of her human rights as defined by the UN. If I had a kid, I'd want my kid to be like that.

It's also, under the Fourth Geneva Convention, a war crime. Though I wonder if the Geneva Conventions actually apply to the US school system.


With the number of firearms in US schools, it probably should...

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:45 am

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Yes. Yes I have.

and you think most people can afford it without loans or just pay their way through it with a part time job?


Get a full time job and do it. Even working 40 hours a week you still have 72 hours a week to devote to courses.

If you make 9 dollars an hour, you'll make more than enough to afford college assuming economical living situations.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:46 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
San Lumen wrote:and you think most people can afford it without loans or just pay their way through it with a part time job?


Get a full time job and do it. Even working 40 hours a week you still have 72 hours a week to devote to courses.

If you make 9 dollars an hour, you'll make more than enough to afford college assuming economical living situations.


and what is one going to do go to school during the day and work overnight? When would they have time for schoolwork?

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:49 am

San Lumen wrote:
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Get a full time job and do it. Even working 40 hours a week you still have 72 hours a week to devote to courses.

If you make 9 dollars an hour, you'll make more than enough to afford college assuming economical living situations.


and what is one going to do go to school during the day and work overnight? When would they have time for schoolwork?


Or the opposite. During the times when they are not working, nor going to school nor sleeping.

Sure it would suck for your social life but it's not impossible.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:54 am

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and what is one going to do go to school during the day and work overnight? When would they have time for schoolwork?


Or the opposite. During the times when they are not working, nor going to school nor sleeping.

Sure it would suck for your social life but it's not impossible.


And you'd likely have very little time to devote to schoolwork as you'd spend most of your time not in class working and sleeping. It would be very difficult for many to do.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:57 am

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San Lumen wrote:why should a college education be something only the rich can afford?


You don't have to be rich to go to college without loans.


Scholarships! Graduated debt free.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:57 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
San Lumen wrote:College should therefore only be for the rich?


If by rich you mean 'Not the Impoverished.' then yes. That includes the middle class as well.

If you're impoverished there are other, cheaper steps that need to be taken to climb into the middle class first.

You won't get jet packs that way.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:58 am

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Or the opposite. During the times when they are not working, nor going to school nor sleeping.

Sure it would suck for your social life but it's not impossible.


And you'd likely have very little time to devote to schoolwork as you'd spend most of your time not in class working and sleeping. It would be very difficult for many to do.


Not really. I previously subtracted sleeping and working from the 72 hours a week. That's about ten hours and 17 minutes a day to do your schoolwork.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:02 am

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And you'd likely have very little time to devote to schoolwork as you'd spend most of your time not in class working and sleeping. It would be very difficult for many to do.


Not really. I previously subtracted sleeping and working from the 72 hours a week. That's about ten hours and 17 minutes a day to do your schoolwork.


And what if you have several hours of classes a day and evening classes? When are you going to work and get your schoolwork done?

What if your college is in a small town? Its simply not practical for everyone attending school to get a job in town.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:03 am

San Lumen wrote:
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Not really. I previously subtracted sleeping and working from the 72 hours a week. That's about ten hours and 17 minutes a day to do your schoolwork.


And what if you have several hours of classes a day and evening classes? When are you going to work and get your schoolwork done?

What if your college is in a small town? Its simply not practical for everyone attending school to get a job in town.


You would presumably pick a college that is located in a place where you can work and go to school at the same time.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:06 am

San Lumen wrote:
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Not really. I previously subtracted sleeping and working from the 72 hours a week. That's about ten hours and 17 minutes a day to do your schoolwork.


And what if you have several hours of classes a day and evening classes? When are you going to work and get your schoolwork done?

What if your college is in a small town? Its simply not practical for everyone attending school to get a job in town.


Well it's a good thing you have several hours of time to do your classes in.

That's the good thing about living in a small town. They tend to be small. You can drive into town fairly easily.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:10 am

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And what if you have several hours of classes a day and evening classes? When are you going to work and get your schoolwork done?

What if your college is in a small town? Its simply not practical for everyone attending school to get a job in town.


You would presumably pick a college that is located in a place where you can work and go to school at the same time.


And a school like Dartmouth sees a huge drop in admission because their aren't enough jobs for every student?

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San Lumen wrote:
And what if you have several hours of classes a day and evening classes? When are you going to work and get your schoolwork done?

What if your college is in a small town? Its simply not practical for everyone attending school to get a job in town.


Well it's a good thing you have several hours of time to do your classes in.

That's the good thing about living in a small town. They tend to be small. You can drive into town fairly easily.

If your have several hours of classes a day when are you doing to do your schoolwork? You'll spend most of your time working just to pay for school if it even covers your tuition

And how do you expect every student attending Dartmouth or UMass Amherst to get a job in town? There simply arent enough jobs for every student
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:11 am

San Lumen wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
You would presumably pick a college that is located in a place where you can work and go to school at the same time.


And a school like Dartmouth sees a huge drop in admission because their aren't enough jobs for every student?

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Well it's a good thing you have several hours of time to do your classes in.

That's the good thing about living in a small town. They tend to be small. You can drive into town fairly easily.


And how do you expect every student attending Dartmouth or UMass Amherst to get a job in town? There simply arent enough jobs for every student


Why the fuck would you ever go to an Ivy league college?
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:13 am

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And a school like Dartmouth sees a huge drop in admission because their aren't enough jobs for every student?



And how do you expect every student attending Dartmouth or UMass Amherst to get a job in town? There simply arent enough jobs for every student


Why the fuck would you ever go to an Ivy league college?


a total non answer.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:14 am

San Lumen wrote:
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You would presumably pick a college that is located in a place where you can work and go to school at the same time.


And a school like Dartmouth sees a huge drop in admission because their aren't enough jobs for every student?


I doubt most Dartmouth students are working jobs on the side and struggling to get by.

San Lumen wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Well it's a good thing you have several hours of time to do your classes in.

That's the good thing about living in a small town. They tend to be small. You can drive into town fairly easily.


And how do you expect every student attending Dartmouth or UMass Amherst to get a job in town? There simply arent enough jobs for every student


If you have to work while going to school, you have to factor that into the price of education. If you can't make it work, then you probably can't afford those schools. May I suggest you look at Salem State instead?

And what type of job are we talking about?
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:14 am

San Lumen wrote:
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Why the fuck would you ever go to an Ivy league college?


a total non answer.


No. It's not. We're talking about college being affordable, and you start talking about fucking Ivy League schools. Obviously those are retardedly expensive. That's the point. So the upper class can keep away from us proles.
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