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Postby Albrenia » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:57 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
And again you would be wrong. I wouldn’t say the demos. The republicans are about it more.

I know the cultists believe him to be innocent. I knew they would automatically dismiss claims and justify what he did.

If you don’t like first base, stop repeating yourself.

We are not cultists for strongly supporting President Trump and the Republicans. You all are not cultists for strongly supporting the Democrats and opposing President Trump.

The Democrats and Anti Trumper supporters believe Trump is guilty as charged from day one and before day one of the 2016 election results and the beginning of the Democrats Political impeachment of Trump. They dismiss anything else. I ain't never lied on this issue. I happen to have a Republican American Friend whose favorite saying is, I ain't never lied. lol what a lie.


Well, technically Anti-Trumpers didn't think Trump was guilty of the Ukraine stuff before it happened, but I get what you are trying to say.

Anyway, when I say things about Trump's cultist fanbase, it is not due to their support of Trump, but the intense, unquestioning and uncritical support no matter what occurs or what he does.

If you are not the sort to just make excuses for everything he does, ignore anything negative as 'fake news' and are willing to admit that like any human he makes errors occasionally, then you're not a cultist.

Similarly, Trump is not Satan. He does things right on occasion, and I personally like how he is interested in space stuff more than the previous few in office.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:00 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Trying to dilute everything into opinion is rather dishonest.

Unfortunately the idea of objective truth has been rejected in the modern world for a truth based on conesnsus.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:02 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Genivaria wrote:
Trying to dilute everything into opinion is rather dishonest.

Unfortunately the idea of objective truth has been rejected in the modern world for a truth based on conesnsus.

Actually for a truth based on their own views.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:08 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:Unfortunately the idea of objective truth has been rejected in the modern world for a truth based on conesnsus.

Actually for a truth based on their own views.

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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:12 pm

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Greater Miami Shores wrote:Actually for a truth based on their own views.

There are four lights.

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Postby Telconi » Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:20 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Actually for a truth based on their own views.

There are four lights.


Making the plebian Star Trek reference and not the patrician 1984 reference...

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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:28 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:We are not cultists for strongly supporting President Trump and the Republicans. You all are not cultists for strongly supporting the Democrats and opposing President Trump.

The Democrats and Anti Trumper supporters believe Trump is guilty as charged from day one and before day one of the 2016 election results and the beginning of the Democrats Political impeachment of Trump. They dismiss anything else. I ain't never lied on this issue. I happen to have a Republican American Friend whose favorite saying is, I ain't never lied. lol what a lie.


Well, technically Anti-Trumpers didn't think Trump was guilty of the Ukraine stuff before it happened, but I get what you are trying to say.

Anyway, when I say things about Trump's cultist fanbase, it is not due to their support of Trump, but the intense, unquestioning and uncritical support no matter what occurs or what he does.

If you are not the sort to just make excuses for everything he does, ignore anything negative as 'fake news' and are willing to admit that like any human he makes errors occasionally, then you're not a cultist.

Similarly, Trump is not Satan. He does things right on occasion, and I personally like how he is interested in space stuff more than the previous few in office.


I just don't understand why he did not work through the existing infrastructure (NASA). I wonder if it has to do with NASA being more about the science (which Trump has issues with) and not about military.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:30 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
Well, technically Anti-Trumpers didn't think Trump was guilty of the Ukraine stuff before it happened, but I get what you are trying to say.

Anyway, when I say things about Trump's cultist fanbase, it is not due to their support of Trump, but the intense, unquestioning and uncritical support no matter what occurs or what he does.

If you are not the sort to just make excuses for everything he does, ignore anything negative as 'fake news' and are willing to admit that like any human he makes errors occasionally, then you're not a cultist.

Similarly, Trump is not Satan. He does things right on occasion, and I personally like how he is interested in space stuff more than the previous few in office.


I just don't understand why he did not work through the existing infrastructure (NASA). I wonder if it has to do with NASA being more about the science (which Trump has issues with) and not about military.


Are you seriously asking why Trump created a separate agency instead of militarizing NASA?
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:37 pm

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I just don't understand why he did not work through the existing infrastructure (NASA). I wonder if it has to do with NASA being more about the science (which Trump has issues with) and not about military.


Are you seriously asking why Trump created a separate agency instead of militarizing NASA?
One of things I recall was that part of the mission for the new military was also exploration of space, which is what NASA does. In addition I seem to recall a treaty about not militarizing space.
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Postby Kargintina the Third » Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:40 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Are you seriously asking why Trump created a separate agency instead of militarizing NASA?
One of things I recall was that part of the mission for the new military was also exploration of space, which is what NASA does. In addition I seem to recall a treaty about not militarizing space.

It only bans weapons of mass destruction from being placed in space.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:27 am

Kargintina the Third wrote:
Neutraligon wrote: One of things I recall was that part of the mission for the new military was also exploration of space, which is what NASA does. In addition I seem to recall a treaty about not militarizing space.

It only bans weapons of mass destruction from being placed in space.

Unfortunately, and it obstructs peaceful uses of space like asteroid mining.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:32 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
Well, technically Anti-Trumpers didn't think Trump was guilty of the Ukraine stuff before it happened, but I get what you are trying to say.

Anyway, when I say things about Trump's cultist fanbase, it is not due to their support of Trump, but the intense, unquestioning and uncritical support no matter what occurs or what he does.

If you are not the sort to just make excuses for everything he does, ignore anything negative as 'fake news' and are willing to admit that like any human he makes errors occasionally, then you're not a cultist.

Similarly, Trump is not Satan. He does things right on occasion, and I personally like how he is interested in space stuff more than the previous few in office.


I just don't understand why he did not work through the existing infrastructure (NASA). I wonder if it has to do with NASA being more about the science (which Trump has issues with) and not about military.


Might also be some future plan of “We don’t need NASA anymore. Companies like spacex can do the work!”
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:34 am

Kargintina the Third wrote:
Neutraligon wrote: One of things I recall was that part of the mission for the new military was also exploration of space, which is what NASA does. In addition I seem to recall a treaty about not militarizing space.

It only bans weapons of mass destruction from being placed in space.


They are already there.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:36 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
I just don't understand why he did not work through the existing infrastructure (NASA). I wonder if it has to do with NASA being more about the science (which Trump has issues with) and not about military.


Are you seriously asking why Trump created a separate agency instead of militarizing NASA?


I wonder what happened to the mantra of small government?
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Postby Idzequitch » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:45 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Are you seriously asking why Trump created a separate agency instead of militarizing NASA?


I wonder what happened to the manta of small government?

It died with Reagan. It may get some lip service still, but that idea was realistically abandoned some time ago.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:46 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Are you seriously asking why Trump created a separate agency instead of militarizing NASA?


I wonder what happened to the manta of small government?

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:50 am

Kowani wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
I wonder what happened to the manta of small government?

Civilian casualty.


Boat strike I expect.
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Postby Gravlen » Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:11 am

Aureumterra wrote:
Conia Nammus wrote:AOC is right. The US is running concentration camps on its southern border. This is a remniscence of the Shoah.

That’s a massive insult to people who’ve been in concentration camps and Holocaust survivors

Like this woman?

Ruth Bloch was 17 years old when she was separated from her family. While living in Holland in 1942, her father, mother, and brother were arrested and sent to concentration camps, where they were eventually killed. Bloch remained in Holland working as a seamstress at a fur factory, sewing fur-lined coats for German troops. She was eventually sent to Vught concentration camp in Holland in 1943, before being eventually transported to Auschwitz.


The question is, rather, does she find the comparison insulting?

When Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) called the detention centers “concentration camps on our southern border,” she was met with pushback from Republicans as well as the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, which claimed the analogy diminished the memory of those lost during the Holocaust. But a growing number of Holocaust and genocide experts have signed an open letter supporting the congresswoman, urging the museum to retract their statement.

Asked whether she found the comparison offensive, Bloch said: “No, I identify.”


Oh.

I guess I'll listen to her over Aureumterra.

And to be fair, there are Holocaust survivors who hold a different view. I'll listen to them over Aureumterra too.

I guess what I'm saying is I have no reason to listen to Aureumterra.
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Postby The JELLEAIN Republic » Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:39 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Candidates whose policies are detrimental to the American people are indeed Anti-American, yes. Do you unironically think otherwise?

This view is subjective, and their is nothing wrong with that on both sides the Democrats and the Republicans.


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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:04 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Are you seriously asking why Trump created a separate agency instead of militarizing NASA?


I wonder what happened to the mantra of small government?


Why are you asking me? I'm not a libertarian.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:50 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
I wonder what happened to the mantra of small government?


Why are you asking me? I'm not a libertarian.


Republicans believed in that once. Then again; we had the increase of the department of homeland security. Well; they are the trump party now so not really a valid question anymore.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:51 am

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Heh. I saw that one. Good editing :)

Trump tried to claim the photo was photoshopped. The photographer has said that is not true.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:29 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Why are you asking me? I'm not a libertarian.


Republicans believed in that once. Then again; we had the increase of the department of homeland security. Well; they are the trump party now so not really a valid question anymore.


I don't think they ever did. The last Republican to shrink the size of the government was Coolidge.
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:31 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:


Heh. I saw that one. Good editing :)

Trump tried to claim the photo was photoshopped. The photographer has said that is not true.

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