MAGAThread XVIII: The Authority Is Total

[Neutraligon]

Sigh, I truthfully do not care that he was acquitted, I care about how he was acquitted. Impeachment is intended to be a check on the president, a way of ensuring that the presidency does not gain too much power. As such it is important to maintaining our democracy and should be treated with complete seriousness. That means looking into and calling all relevant witnesses, bringing up all relevant information, and giving enough time for the investigation. Instead we got a show trial... no not even a show trial. This thing we just had destroys one of the checks we placed on the presidency, the senate, by acting the way it does just gave up one of it's most important duties, to act as that check, and that is not something they can easily get back.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Old McC “I am not going to be impartial”. Old Lyndsey “I am not going to be impartial”

Of course they took and oath to be impartial.....

Y'know I may be a "dumb Stalinist" but to me that looks like perjury. <.>

[The Black Forrest]

I wonder now what the GOP will do in 2024 when Donald Trump demands that he be made President for Life, because he likes Chairman Xi.

If he is elected again and by 2024; you will hear the his former party saying how they are REALLY rebpublicans and hold all the values of the party before trump.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

I wonder now what the GOP will do in 2024 when Donald Trump demands that he be made President for Life, because he likes Chairman Xi.

Probably get desperate for a 22nd amendment repeal that they won’t get.

[Gormwood]

I wonder now what the GOP will do in 2024 when Donald Trump demands that he be made President for Life, because he likes Chairman Xi.

They'll bend and goatse from McConnell on down.

[Neutraligon]

As if similar situations don't happen in the Democratic Party lol. Like Hillary accepting the Secretary of State's Post Position from Obama after his election in 2008. I can find many examples in the Democratic Party as well. Proving my point that in politics everything works both ways.

The problem. Those people didn’t receive nasty comments like what they took from that low brow cyber bully.

Cruz showed his character when trump insulted his wife and he took it. I would have respected cruz a little if simply looked at trump and said say what you want to say about me; but talk about my wife like that again and I will knock you on your fat ass.

Show me where the democrats people gave insults at her children or even Bill.

Another interesting thing, one of the differences between Clinton and Obama was their foreign policy differences. Her becoming Secretary of State was actually a big deal to Democrats because of that (there where questions on why she was chosen). What Obama basically did was appoint someone to office who had a very different policy and the office was one which had a great deal of power in that area of difference.

[Gormwood]

VICTORY!!!

Over whom?

Themselves. They love Big Brother Donald Trump.

[Aeritai]

Despite the outcome, I'm glad the Impeachment Trial is finally over. Now both parties can focus on more important things.

[Gormwood]

Sigh, I truthfully do not care that he was acquitted, I care about how he was acquitted. Impeachment is intended to be a check on the president, a way of ensuring that the presidency does not gain too much power. As such it is important to maintaining our democracy and should be treated with complete seriousness. That means looking into and calling all relevant witnesses, bringing up all relevant information, and giving enough time for the investigation. Instead we got a show trial... no not even a show trial. This thing we just had destroys one of the checks we placed on the presidency, the senate, by acting the way it does just gave up one of it's most important duties, to act as that check, and that is not something they can easily get back.

Impeachment is only good for a majority party to remove a minority President from office now. Worthless forevermore.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Despite the outcome, I'm glad the Impeachment Trial is finally over. Now both parties can focus on more important things.

The removal of a criminal president is of the utmost importance.

[The East Marches II]

I wonder now what the GOP will do in 2024 when Donald Trump demands that he be made President for Life, because he likes Chairman Xi.

He is going to want something a bit more... German

[Greater Miami Shores]

Wouldn't call it a victory because I don't feel like either party really 'lost'.

To put it in Trumpian terms they'll understand... the trial was totally rigged. No witnesses allowed. No documents. It was a sham. That's the way Mitch and his gang has always done things. The result is no surprise to anyone.

Here is a Link that I am allowed to share of my nations Regional Poll opened to all nations. So far 9 Pro Trumpers have stated on the Poll The Democratic Party Leadership does not care about Justice in America, The USA, only about hurting President Trump Politically on the election.

So far 10 Anti Trumpers have stated on the Poll The Democratic Party Leadership cares about Justice in America, The USA by the impeachment of President Trump.

The results of the Poll so far on both sides have pleasantly surprised me, as I did not expect to get too many votes on the Poll. At least two of our fellow nation persons on this thread have voted on this Poll, stating The Democratic Party Leadership cares about Justice in America, The USA by the impeachment of President Trump. I thank them for their vote on my nation's Regional Poll.

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https://www.nationstates.net/region=the ... ld_nations

The Democrats were not fair to the Republicans and President Trump in the house. The vote in the Senate was for more extra witnesses then the one's the Democrats called. Who testified under questioning by the Republicans their anti Trump comments were based on presumptions and assumptions not their facts. They even made a few Pro Trump comments. As I Proved with the Video Link of their testimonies before the House inquiry committee we all saw.

But the Partisan no saint Democrats from these Trumped up impeachment charges against President Trump, are portraying it as if the Senators did not get any information to make their decisions on it. Trumped UP Pun intended lol. We Republicans and the Republican Leadership need to do a better job at making this point public.

I proved my post and statements with the video links of the Ambassadors, For which a certain nation person previously called me a liar and it must sock to be me for lying so much. Then I asked for an apology and I said I would thank him on the thread for the apology, and I have never received the apology lol.

Here is a Link that I am allowed to share of my nations regional Poll opened to all nations. So far 9 Pro Trumpers have stated on the Poll The Democratic Party Leadership does not care about Justice in America, The USA, only about hurting President Trump Politically on the election.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Scroll Down to the Poll Results:
https://www.nationstates.net/region=the ... ld_nations

When will you learn that your polls are taken just as seriously as the outcome of a game of tictactoe?

[Albrenia]

Scroll Down to the Poll Results:
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When will you learn that your polls are taken just as seriously as the outcome of a game of tictactoe?

These days even polls done by professionals in the days leading to election don't seem to mean much.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Scroll Down to the Poll Results:
https://www.nationstates.net/region=the ... ld_nations

When will you learn that your polls are taken just as seriously as the outcome of a game of tictactoe?

They are Public votes not Private votes. 9 to 10 in your favor, you don't have to complain about the results of it.

[Neutraligon]

To put it in Trumpian terms they'll understand... the trial was totally rigged. No witnesses allowed. No documents. It was a sham. That's the way Mitch and his gang has always done things. The result is no surprise to anyone.

Here is a Link that I am allowed to share of my nations Regional Poll opened to all nations. So far 9 Pro Trumpers have stated on the Poll The Democratic Party Leadership does not care about Justice in America, The USA, only about hurting President Trump Politically on the election.

And, why should 9 people in a region you are associated with count as any sort of evidence for anything? Second, if the president is innocent, then having a full trial, including bringing forward all the witnesses (sure bring forward Biden, but actually ask him questions relevant to the investigation and Trumps actions) and documents. Republicans are the majority party, there should have been no issue, right?

So far 10 Anti Trumpers have stated on the Poll The Democratic Party Leadership cares about Justice in America, The USA by the impeachment of President Trump.

Like I said, why should I think your poll is representative of anything. More then that, even if the democratic party is not interested in justice, why does that matter when it comes to this trial. Like I said above, a full trial, with witnesses and everything would have shown this to be the case. Earlier you where complaining about witnesses not being brought forward during the investigation, so why are you now ok with no witnesses being brought forawrd. you where complaining when Democrats acted a certain way, so why are you not also complaining when Republicans did the same thing?

You do realize how easy it would be to completely destroy those poll results right. I could create 100 nations and vote and you would have no idea what it shows, at all.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

When will you learn that your polls are taken just as seriously as the outcome of a game of tictactoe?

They are Public votes not Private votes. 9 to 10 in your favor, you don't have to complain about the results of it.

You do realise that I am no Democrat, right?

[The East Marches II]

When will you learn that your polls are taken just as seriously as the outcome of a game of tictactoe?

These days even polls done by professionals in the days leading to election don't seem to mean much.

This tbh

[Gormwood]

They are Public votes not Private votes. 9 to 10 in your favor, you don't have to complain about the results of it.

You do realise that I am no Democrat, right?

Anyone who doesn't worship Trump is a Democrat to him.

[Neutraligon]

These days even polls done by professionals in the days leading to election don't seem to mean much.

This tbh

Hell, even if pull results done by professionals where highly accurate, that would say nothing about these poll results. I mean these are even easier to throw that the ones about voting using your money. Hell, even looking at the question, it does not say what he says it says. For all he knows some of the people who answered that the Democrats do not care about justice are still anti-Trump.

[Red Roja]

Acquitted

[Greater Miami Shores]

Here is a Link that I am allowed to share of my nations Regional Poll opened to all nations. So far 9 Pro Trumpers have stated on the Poll The Democratic Party Leadership does not care about Justice in America, The USA, only about hurting President Trump Politically on the election.

And, why should 9 people in a region you are associated with count as any sort of evidence for anything? Second, if the president is innocent, then having a full trial, including bringing forward all the witnesses (sure bring forward Biden, but actually ask him questions relevant to the investigation and Trumps actions) and documents. Republicans are the majority party, there should have been no issue, right?

So far 10 Anti Trumpers have stated on the Poll The Democratic Party Leadership cares about Justice in America, The USA by the impeachment of President Trump.

Like I said, why should I think your poll is representative of anything. More then that, even if the democratic party is not interested in justice, why does that matter when it comes to this trial. Like I said above, a full trial, with witnesses and everything would have shown this to be the case. Earlier you where complaining about witnesses not being brought forward during the investigation, so why are you now ok with no witnesses being brought forawrd. you where complaining when Democrats acted a certain way, so why are you not also complaining when Republicans did the same thing?

It Proves that I am not the only one who thinks and believes the Democratic Party Leadership does not care about Justice in America, The USA, only about hurting President Trump Politically during the election.

It Proves that different Persons can have different views on the evidence of the inquiry committee we all saw. As I Proved with the Video Links of the Ambassadors testimonies under questioning by the Republicans that their negative comments of President Trump were based on assumptions and presumptions not their facts. Even made a few Pro Trump statements.

The Democrats blocked the Republicans in the House from hearing from witnesses they thought would help President Trump's case like the Biden's. They have nothing to complain about on extra witnesses in the Senate. The Senators did receive the evidence the Democrats presented in the house to make their decision on President Trump. But they are acting as if no evidence was presented to them because they did not get extra witnesses.

The votes in the House and Senate were mostly along Political Party lines as I Predicted.

" even if the democratic party is not interested in justice, why does that matter when it comes to this trial."

As I and those who voted on the Poll and posted on this thread strongly believe these are Trumped up charges against President Trump by Partisan Political Democrats who don't care about Justice in America, The USA, only about hurting President Trump Politically during the election they don't deserve any considerations from us. As they did not consider us in the house. Trumped UP Pun intended.

The Democrats and Anti Trumpers on this thread believe President Trump is guilty as charged by the Democrats. The Republicans and Pro Trumpers on this thread believe President Trump is not guilty as charged by the Democrats. The 9 nation persons so far on my nations Regional Poll believe the Democratic Leadership does not care about Justice in America, the USA. This is what my post with the video links and my nation's regional Poll Proves. It counts to me and it counts to them. I know and I understand not to the Democrats and Anti Trumpers, not to the 10 who voted on my nation's Regional Poll so far, including two who have posted on this thread. Back to First Base.

[Myrensis]

Well, I'm somewhat surprised, and pleased, that the Democrats held it together on the vote. I was expecting Manchin to break, and possibly Sinema and Jones. I know the GOP was eager to flip at least one or two so they could crow about how even the Democrats didn't believe Trump was guilty, and it's nice to be able to turn that around on them, even if it was only one Republican and the "RINO TRAITOR!" wails have all ready begun. I was actually surprised by Romney, Utah isn't competitive so the only thing he really has to worry about is a primary challenge, and he's all but ensured he'll be facing one now.

[Gormwood]

Well, I'm somewhat surprised, and pleased, that the Democrats held it together on the vote. I was expecting Manchin to break, and possibly Sinema and Jones. I know the GOP was eager to flip at least one or two so they could crow about how even the Democrats didn't believe Trump was guilty, and it's nice to be able to turn that around on them, even if it was only one Republican and the "RINO TRAITOR!" wails have all ready begun. I was actually surprised by Romney, Utah isn't competitive so the only thing he really has to worry about is a primary challenge, and he's all but ensured he'll be facing one now.

Isn't Romney popular in Utah? I know Evangelicals worship Trump, but doubt the Mormons do.

[Neutraligon]

And, why should 9 people in a region you are associated with count as any sort of evidence for anything? Second, if the president is innocent, then having a full trial, including bringing forward all the witnesses (sure bring forward Biden, but actually ask him questions relevant to the investigation and Trumps actions) and documents. Republicans are the majority party, there should have been no issue, right?

Like I said, why should I think your poll is representative of anything. More then that, even if the democratic party is not interested in justice, why does that matter when it comes to this trial. Like I said above, a full trial, with witnesses and everything would have shown this to be the case. Earlier you where complaining about witnesses not being brought forward during the investigation, so why are you now ok with no witnesses being brought forawrd. you where complaining when Democrats acted a certain way, so why are you not also complaining when Republicans did the same thing?

It Proves that I am not the only one who thinks and believes the Democratic Party Leadership does not care about Justice in America, The USA, only about hurting President Trump Politically during the election.

It Proves that different Persons can have different views on the evidence of the inquiry committee we all saw. As I Proved with the Video Links of the Ambassadors testimonies under questioning by the Republicans that their negative comments of President Trump were based on assumptions and presumptions not their facts.

First not really, for all I know all those nations are your puppets, your poll shows absolutely nothing. Second, it does not even show what you claim it shows even if everyone was an individual and voted how they feel. it is entirely possible for someone who is anti-Trump to feel that the Democratic leadership has no interest in justice. There is a reason why when crafting polls you have to be incredibly careful with how you word your question and the possible choices, because it is very easy to not be asking the question you think you are asking, or to put forward leading questions, or to put answers that leading answers (which is what you did).

The Democrats blocked the Republicans in the House from hearing from witnesses they thought would help President Trump's case like the Biden's. They have nothing to complain about on extra witnesses in the Senate. The Senators did receive the evidence the Democrats presented in the house to make their decision on President Trump.[/quote] Oh, they have nothing to complain about? what about the stuff from Biden, they never tried to call him? They did not try and call people to disprove the actual testimony put forth. Nor did they try to get to the bottom of the new information released. It seems to me what you are saying is that the Senate should give up it's duties as a check on the president simply because they are of the same party, and to not fully investigate so that they actually can provide evidence either that the president did not in fact do what he did, or that it was not an impeachable offense and why it is not an impeachable offense. They did none of that or their attempts to do so where piss poor.

" even if the democratic party is not interested in justice, why does that matter when it comes to this trial."

As I and those who voted on the Poll strongly believe these are Trumped up charges against President Trump by Partisan Political Democrats who don't care about Justice in America, The USA, only about hurting President Trump Politically during the election they don't deserve any considerations from us. As they did not consider us in the house. Trumped UP Pun intended.

That did not answer my question, againm why does it matter when it comes to a trial. Although, I do find it interesting that you are saying that because Democrats "acted badly" that is a good enough reason for Republicans in the senate to abrogate their responsibility when it comes to being a check on presidential power.

The Democrats and Anti Trumpers on this thread believe President Trump is guilty as charged by the Democrats.

Many believe that the investigation did indeed provide sufficient evidence, hell there was even a Republican in the Senate that thought sufficient evidence was provided for one of the charges. There are Republicans that believe there was sufficient evidence given. Hell, the entire defense was that yes, president Trump did indeed do what the report stated, but that it was not an impeachable offense.

The Republicans and Pro Trumpers on this thread believe President Trump is not guilty as charged by the Democrats.

Not necessarily true, as shown by the Republican senator who voted to convict on one of the charges.

The 9 nation persons so far on my nations Regional Poll believe the Democratic Leadership does not care about Justice in America, the USA.

And, that does not say anything about their position on Trump.

This is what my post with the video links and my nation's regional Poll Proves. It counts to me and it counts to them. I know and I understand not to the Democrats and Anti Trumpers, Back to Fist Base.

No it does not matter not because of my opinion on Trump, it does not matter first because it does not show what you claim it shows, second it is so easily destroyed due to how you set it up that I could do it in less then 20 minutes. Third there is no way of knowing if those nations are in fact run by different people behind the computer screen, for all I know they all belong to one person (also refer to someone destroying the poll). Fourth your sample size is terrible.