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Postby San Montalbano » Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:52 pm

At this point it dosnt really matter what dems do

If they rush impeachment the senate gets to call people to testify

If they fail they wasted millions of taxpayer dollars.....again
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:57 pm

San Montalbano wrote:At this point it dosnt really matter what dems do

If they lush impeachment the senate gets to call people to testify

If they fail they wasted millions of taxpayer dollars.....again

Given the complete and brainlessly inept performance of GOP at the hearings so far, even going as far as confusing their own witnesses that they called as Democratic partisans... I'm not sure where your optimism comes from.
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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:00 pm

San Montalbano wrote:At this point it dosnt really matter what dems do

If they rush impeachment the senate gets to call people to testify

If they fail they wasted millions of taxpayer dollars.....again


Senate will no doubt call witnesses. There will be some Republicans that'll try to speed through it but I do think several moderate Republicans will foil that. Time will tell.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:00 pm

San Montalbano wrote:If they fail they wasted millions of taxpayer dollars.....again


I wouldn't be making that argument. How many bengazi hearings did we have.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:01 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:If they fail they wasted millions of taxpayer dollars.....again


I wouldn't be making that argument. How many bengazi hearings did we have.

Clearly not enough
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Postby Makdon » Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:10 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Clearly not enough
/s

for what?
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:12 pm

Makdon wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Clearly not enough
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for what?

The Black Forrest wrote:How many bengazi hearings did we have.

Read my post in conjunction with this as:
How many bengazi hearings did we have? We clearly did not have enough. /sarcasm
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Postby Makdon » Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:15 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Read my post in conjunction with this as:
How many bengazi hearings did we have? We clearly did not have enough. /sarcasm

oh, I didn't realize
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Postby Professor Irwin Corey » Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:08 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:At this point it dosnt really matter what dems do

If they rush impeachment the senate gets to call people to testify

If they fail they wasted millions of taxpayer dollars.....again


Senate will no doubt call witnesses. There will be some Republicans that'll try to speed through it but I do think several moderate Republicans will foil that. Time will tell.


Chief Justice Roberts should be in control of the proceedings, not the GOP.

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Postby Kowani » Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:19 pm

Professor Irwin Corey wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
Senate will no doubt call witnesses. There will be some Republicans that'll try to speed through it but I do think several moderate Republicans will foil that. Time will tell.


Chief Justice Roberts should be in control of the proceedings, not the GOP.

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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:21 pm

Professor Irwin Corey wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
Senate will no doubt call witnesses. There will be some Republicans that'll try to speed through it but I do think several moderate Republicans will foil that. Time will tell.


Chief Justice Roberts should be in control of the proceedings, not the GOP.


The Chief Justice presides over the trial, though I don't believe he formulate the rules: the Senate votes on the rules on how to proceed. In the case of calling witnesses, both sides (Trump/his legal team/GOP and Democrats) can do so I believe with a simple majority needed to bring in said witness. The President can be asked to testified but they have a right to not appear, leading them to give a "not guilty" plead.
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:24 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Professor Irwin Corey wrote:
Chief Justice Roberts should be in control of the proceedings, not the GOP.


The Chief Justice presides over the trial, though I don't believe he formulate the rules: the Senate votes on the rules on how to proceed. In the case of calling witnesses, both sides (Trump/his legal team/GOP and Democrats) can do so I believe with a simple majority needed to bring in said witness. The President can be asked to testified but they have a right to not appear, leading them to give a "not guilty" plead.

It would be buttery rich if Donny declines to testify and the Republicans back him especially in the wake of Blowjobpeachment.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:28 pm

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Zurkerx wrote:
The Chief Justice presides over the trial, though I don't believe he formulate the rules: the Senate votes on the rules on how to proceed. In the case of calling witnesses, both sides (Trump/his legal team/GOP and Democrats) can do so I believe with a simple majority needed to bring in said witness. The President can be asked to testified but they have a right to not appear, leading them to give a "not guilty" plead.

It would be buttery rich if Donny declines to testify and the Republicans back him especially in the wake of Blowjobpeachment.

Do you think he’d decline? I’m not sure what advantage he has if he declines, it’ll just make him seem more suspicious than everything already is. Even if he did commit a crime, it would be in his best interests to show up and argue either why the crime he committed shouldn’t be a crime or why the thing he did doesn’t fit the description of a crime
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:41 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
Gormwood wrote:It would be buttery rich if Donny declines to testify and the Republicans back him especially in the wake of Blowjobpeachment.

Do you think he’d decline? I’m not sure what advantage he has if he declines, it’ll just make him seem more suspicious than everything already is. Even if he did commit a crime, it would be in his best interests to show up and argue either why the crime he committed shouldn’t be a crime or why the thing he did doesn’t fit the description of a crime

Donny has a history of perjuring the fuck out of himself whenever he testified in a case. Same reason his lawyers went to lengths to keep him away from Robert Mueller.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:07 pm

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Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Do you think he’d decline? I’m not sure what advantage he has if he declines, it’ll just make him seem more suspicious than everything already is. Even if he did commit a crime, it would be in his best interests to show up and argue either why the crime he committed shouldn’t be a crime or why the thing he did doesn’t fit the description of a crime

Donny has a history of perjuring the fuck out of himself whenever he testified in a case. Same reason his lawyers went to lengths to keep him away from.Robert Mueller.

Please have Donald take the stand. It'll make for an economic boom in popcorn sales.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:29 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Professor Irwin Corey wrote:
Chief Justice Roberts should be in control of the proceedings, not the GOP.


The Chief Justice presides over the trial, though I don't believe he formulate the rules: the Senate votes on the rules on how to proceed. In the case of calling witnesses, both sides (Trump/his legal team/GOP and Democrats) can do so I believe with a simple majority needed to bring in said witness. The President can be asked to testified but they have a right to not appear, leading them to give a "not guilty" plead.

Just like the House votes Trump guilty the Senate will vote Trump not guilty testify or not.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:34 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Donny has a history of perjuring the fuck out of himself whenever he testified in a case. Same reason his lawyers went to lengths to keep him away from.Robert Mueller.

Please have Donald take the stand. It'll make for an economic boom in popcorn sales.

I all ready have my popcorn with butter, President Trump will win the trial. contrary to the leftists obvious wishes.
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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:37 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
Gormwood wrote:It would be buttery rich if Donny declines to testify and the Republicans back him especially in the wake of Blowjobpeachment.

Do you think he’d decline? I’m not sure what advantage he has if he declines, it’ll just make him seem more suspicious than everything already is. Even if he did commit a crime, it would be in his best interests to show up and argue either why the crime he committed shouldn’t be a crime or why the thing he did doesn’t fit the description of a crime


I don't know if he would or not, but I'm sure his lawyers will tell him not to: "letting Donald Trump go under oath" seems like one of the very top-end mistakes you can make when trying to defend him.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:39 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Do you think he’d decline? I’m not sure what advantage he has if he declines, it’ll just make him seem more suspicious than everything already is. Even if he did commit a crime, it would be in his best interests to show up and argue either why the crime he committed shouldn’t be a crime or why the thing he did doesn’t fit the description of a crime


I don't know if he would or not, but I'm sure his lawyers will tell him not to: "letting Donald Trump go under oath" seems like one of the very top-end mistakes you can make when trying to defend him.

President Trump will not be declared guilty by the Senate, despite the wishes of guilty by the leftist Democrats and anti Trumpers.
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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:42 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
The Chief Justice presides over the trial, though I don't believe he formulate the rules: the Senate votes on the rules on how to proceed. In the case of calling witnesses, both sides (Trump/his legal team/GOP and Democrats) can do so I believe with a simple majority needed to bring in said witness. The President can be asked to testified but they have a right to not appear, leading them to give a "not guilty" plead.

Just like the House votes Trump guilty the Senate will vote Trump not guilty testify or not.


That's not the House's job: they simply gather and examine evidence and formulate them into articles. In a legal system, this would be charges crafted by the prosecution. The House then votes on said articles and forwards them to the Senate, just like what a Grand jury would do when they indict someone; no one is guilty when one is indicted, they just have the evidence to bring up charges. From their, the Senators, also considered the "jurors", re-examine the evidence and re-call witnesses and make a determination of whether the President is guilty or not.

It isn't the House's Job to convict: that's the Senate's if they choose to.

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Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Do you think he’d decline? I’m not sure what advantage he has if he declines, it’ll just make him seem more suspicious than everything already is. Even if he did commit a crime, it would be in his best interests to show up and argue either why the crime he committed shouldn’t be a crime or why the thing he did doesn’t fit the description of a crime


I don't know if he would or not, but I'm sure his lawyers will tell him not to: "letting Donald Trump go under oath" seems like one of the very top-end mistakes you can make when trying to defend him.


He would commit perjury in a heartbeat. The man is a habitual, pathological liar after all.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:01 pm

What I mean is the non saint House Democrats have charged, tried and convicted President Trump guilty on Trumped up charges against him. Trumped up Pun intended. Including the Senate Democrats and the Democratic Party Presidential candidates.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:05 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
I don't know if he would or not, but I'm sure his lawyers will tell him not to: "letting Donald Trump go under oath" seems like one of the very top-end mistakes you can make when trying to defend him.

President Trump will not be declared guilty by the Senate, despite the wishes of guilty by the leftist Democrats and anti Trumpers.


That’s a given. Mitch doesn’t want to offend his boss in Moscow.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:08 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Please have Donald take the stand. It'll make for an economic boom in popcorn sales.

I all ready have my popcorn with butter, President Trump will win the trial. contrary to the leftists obvious wishes.


Trump is too stupid. He lies on just about everything. He lies when he does’t have to lie.

He will never take the stand as the Trump party knows he will shoot himself in the ass. It’s one thing to talk to a bunch of ever trumpers. It’s another in a hostile setting.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:12 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I all ready have my popcorn with butter, President Trump will win the trial. contrary to the leftists obvious wishes.


Trump is too stupid. He lies on just about everything. He lies when he does’t have to lie.

He will never take the stand as the Trump party knows he will shoot himself in the ass. It’s one thing to talk to a bunch of ever trumpers. It’s another in a hostile setting.

I have a different take on it. Trump is smarter than the Democrats don't give him credit for. He is telling the truth Trump is not guilty. I like that one ever Trumpers, I will use this one from time to time, thank you TBF.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:14 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Trump is too stupid. He lies on just about everything. He lies when he does’t have to lie.

He will never take the stand as the Trump party knows he will shoot himself in the ass. It’s one thing to talk to a bunch of ever trumpers. It’s another in a hostile setting.

I have a different take on it. Trump is smarter than the Democrats don't give him credit for. He is telling the truth Trump is not guilty. I like that one ever Trumpers, I will use this one from time to time, thank you TBF.


Hardly. You will not see him on the stand. I wish he would; he would greatly increase his chances for impeachment.
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