MAGAThread XVIII: The Authority Is Total

[Zurkerx]

So, how about that Nunes possibly being in on the scam?

Needless to say, he's in Yuge Trouble most likely. Of course, he has adopted the Trump strategy of "Deny, Distort, Lie, Confuse, and Double Down on one's Fake News and Alternative Facts". We shouldn't be surprised that a majority of Republicans and supporters of Trump denying the evidence. That's the definition of a Cult right there.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I got news for you Heloin, all the evidence currently points to Trump not being guilty. As we Republicans and Pro Trumpers agree on. while Democrats and anti Trumpers disagree with us on.

Republicans and Pro Trumpers cant change Democrats and anti Trumpers minds on President Trump's guilt as not guilty by the Trumped up charges against him by the Democrats. Trumped up pun intended. with the evidence we present to you from the house impeachment hearings. As Proven by the results of my regional Poll, I am not allowed to link to but can share with you all. It is on my regional Poll and on the nation states Poll Page. So you and the others here can look it up and participate on it. Perhaps I can even link to it under the circumstances in context I have just explained. But I am not going to take a chance on it and link to it just in case, so I don't get in trouble. Always my top priority on nation states.

Funny link you posted as a dig on me, it does not bother me as I keep telling all of you. I have a great sense of humor and a great political sense of humor, I can lol at it too lol:

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What are you afraid of getting in trouble for?

For posting a link to my regional Poll so they can participate on it Pro or Con if they wish to do so. which I can share but not link to it. Also it is possible for me to link my regional Public Poll to my OP introduction Posts so anyone can vote on it. But I was once told a long time ago, it would be considered spam as I think I recall. I have stopped harping on the Public option as you told me too.
Thank You Farmhamia.

Greater Miami Shores - Alberto.

[Totenborg]

So, how about that Nunes possibly being in on the scam?

Needless to say, he's in Yuge Trouble most likely. Of course, he has adopted the Trump strategy of "Deny, Distort, Lie, Confuse, and Double Down on one's Fake News and Alternative Facts". We shouldn't be surprised that a majority of Republicans and supporters of Trump denying the evidence. That's the definition of a Cult right there.

It's like a low grade soap opera at this point.

[Gormwood]

So, how about that Nunes possibly being in on the scam?

Needless to say, he's in Yuge Trouble most likely. Of course, he has adopted the Trump strategy of "Deny, Distort, Lie, Confuse, and Double Down on one's Fake News and Alternative Facts". We shouldn't be surprised that a majority of Republicans and supporters of Trump denying the evidence. That's the definition of a Cult right there.

Trumptown.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I got news for you Heloin, all the evidence currently points to Trump not being guilty. As we Republicans and Pro Trumpers agree on. while Democrats and anti Trumpers disagree with us on.

Republicans and Pro Trumpers cant change Democrats and anti Trumpers minds on President Trump's guilt as not guilty by the Trumped up charges against him by the Democrats. Trumped up pun intended. with the evidence we present to you from the house impeachment hearings. As Proven by the results of my regional Poll, I am not allowed to link to but can share with you all. It is on my regional Poll and on the nation states Poll Page. So you and the others here can look it up and participate on it. Perhaps I can even link to it under the circumstances in context I have just explained. But I am not going to take a chance on it and link to it just in case, so I don't get in trouble. Always my top priority on nation states.

I really don't understand the level of denial you are working on, truly I don't.

Please re read my posted above edited after you quoted me.
You and your friends who agree with you and disagree with us, right wingers, Republicans and Pro Trumpers. Don't really truly understand our so called level of denial. Because you cant seem to understand different persons can have different interpretations based on the same so called evidence. As my regional Poll proves, all persons can access and vote on the nation states Poll page and on my regional poll page and are welcomed to do so., pro and cons.

As I have posted about and perhaps you missed my post because this thread keeps moving very fast and has hundreds or thousands of posts. At times juries in US courts of laws are divided on a persons innocence or guilt based on the same evidence presented to them in a US court of law, and take votes on the innocence or guilt of the person. It is called a hung jury, no difference in this Trump impeachment case.

It seems like I am the only one with my views on this thread, at least 73 Persons agree with me on this thread according to the Poll 33.64 % of the 217 Persons who have voted so far and most have not posted on this thread. All 217 Persons should post on this thread Pro and Cons on President Trump and Impeachment charges by the Democrats. thanks for your posts.

[Teachian]

I'd have a more fun and more interesting conversation with a wall. I daresay I have, in fact.

I gather for obvious reasons your post above is in reference to me. We disagree on President Trump and the impeachment evidence in the House committee. Republicans and Pro Trumpers disagree on President Trump and the impeachment evidence with you and your friends. Please tell this to all Trump supporters not just me. If this post is not in reference to me, I apologize to you and the Professor, thanks for your posts.

No one's saying that you can't disagree, a fact that people seem to need to repeatedly remind you. But you saying "I disagree" isn't going to blow our minds and make us rethink our whole worldview. It's the equivalent of saying "no u" at this point, is it really serving a purpose?

Also, please stop hiding behind Republicans and "pro-Trumpers". I have a friend who supports Trump, but he and I can have a coherent and respectful conversation without rewriting a short novel of a post time after time. At some point or another, you're going to have to accept that you're not being persecuted for being a "pro-Trumper", but because people would prefer an actual debate and find a lot of what you're saying to be repetitive and frankly just... eh. Have a conversation, let the points actually go somewhere besides overused catchphrases.

You can't change people's mind on the guilt because all the evidence currently points towards guilt.

I got news for you Heloin, all the evidence currently points to Trump not being guilty. As we Republicans and Pro Trumpers agree on. while Democrats and anti Trumpers disagree with us on.

Republicans and Pro Trumpers cant change Democrats and anti Trumpers minds on President Trump's guilt as not guilty by the Trumped up charges against him by the Democrats. Trumped up pun intended. with the evidence we present to you from the house impeachment hearings. As Proven by the results of my regional Poll, I am not allowed to link to but can share with you all. It is on my regional Poll and on the nation states Poll Page. So you and the others here can look it up and participate on it. Perhaps I can even link to it under the circumstances in context I have just explained. But I am not going to take a chance on it and link to it just in case, so I don't get in trouble. Always my top priority on nation states.

That being said, it's pretty telling that your whole worldview on this is purely ideological. You've presented every group so far as monolithic hive-mind who can't have any possible opinions in their heads besides "I like Trump" or "I don't like Trump". Fun fact, for as partisan as America is, just going "I like Trump and what he says so I believe him" (or, otherwise "I don't like Trump so I don't believe him) isn't a debate. Start talking about your opinions and thought process, less "Trump said so or so" or "The Hivemind 'Pro-Trumpers' say this and I do too" and more about what you personally think happened in Ukraine. As someone with specific feelings about that, even if it hadn't been Trump who had done it, I'd love to see a viewpoint that doesn't match mine. That's what this thread needs, not "You can't change my viewpoint or the many people I speak for." It's the debate thread, let's debate.

Also, intentionally or not, a regional poll is wholly unrepresentative of a wider population. Heck, I don't even consider general thread polls to be even relatively accurate in regards to what NS thinks. And before you call bias, a) the sample population is limited to those in a thread/region or visiting it (limited scope) and b) is entirely dependent on people responding of their own volition. There's a reason why most respectable polls won't just go "How do you feel about this? Eh, respond if you feel like it."

[Heloin]

I really don't understand the level of denial you are working on, truly I don't.

Please re read my posted above edited after you quoted me.
You and your friends who agree with you and disagree with us, right wingers, Republicans and Pro Trumpers. Don't really truly understand our so called level of denial. Because you cant seem to understand different persons can have different interpretations based on the same so called evidence. As my regional Poll proves, all persons can access and vote on the nation states Poll page and on my regional poll page and are welcomed to do so., pro and cons.

Your regional poll doesn't actually prove anything.

As I have posted about and perhaps you missed my post because this thread keeps moving very fast and has hundreds or thousands of posts. At times juries in US courts of laws are divided on a persons innocence or guilt based on the same evidence presented to them in a US court of law, and take votes on the innocence or guilt of the person. It is called a hung jury, no difference in this Trump impeachment case.

I've seen plenty of your posts, mostly you just argue that since people agree with you that Trump can do no wrong that means he didn't do anything wrong.

It seems like I am the only one with my views on this thread, at least 73 Persons agree with me on this thread according to the Poll 33.64 % of the 217 Persons who have voted so far and most have not posted on this thread. All 217 Persons should post on this thread Pro and Cons on President Trump and Impeachment charges by the Democrats. thanks for your posts.

People agreeing with you doesn't prove a point.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Facts from the House impeachment inquiry testimony we all saw and heard, or many or some of us saw and heard:

Facts Ambassador Gordon Sondland testified under cross examination from the Republicans their was no real quid pro quo by President Trump it was based on his assumptions. which we all saw on national TV on the house impeachment inquiry by the Democrats against him.

Facts: President Trump did not admit to a quid pro quo or admit to any guilt of his interview with Fox News and Friends we all saw and heard or many or some of us saw and heard, on the contrary he said the same thing Ambassador Gordon Sonndland said above.

Facts:
Former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch Admits Having No Knowledge of Trump Criminal Activity

Former United States Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch admitted on Friday that she has no knowledge of President Donald Trump accepting bribes nor of the president being involved in any criminal activity.

“Do you have any information regarding the President of the United States accepting any bribes?” asked Rep. Chris Stewart (R-UT) of former Ambassador Yovanovitch.

“No,” replied Yovanovitch.

“Do you have any information regarding any criminal activity that the President of the United States has been involved with at all?” asked Rep. Stewart.

“No,” answered Yovanovitch.

The former ambassador to Ukraine admitted this on Friday during the second day of the public impeachment hearings.

“Thank you for answering that directly,” said Stewart. “The American people know this is nonsense. The American people know this is unfair. And I have a prediction regarding this.” He went on:

Rep. Chris Stewart (R-UT):
I think that public support for impeachment is actually going to be less when these hearings are over than it is when hearings began, because finally, the American people are going to be able to see the evidence, and they’re going to be able to make their own determination regarding that.

“Now, I want to ask you one thing,” continued Stewart. “You’ve been asked if the president — any president — has the ability to ask his ambassadors to serve at will. I’m curious, do you think that’s the right policy?

“Yeah, I probably think it is,” responded Yovanovitch.

“I do as well,” said Stewart. “It may be imperfect, there may be times when it’s not used perfectly, but I agree with you, it is the right policy. I don’t think that we should change that.”

“Now, I would like to read from some previous statements, including one of your own — as well as others — regarding the appropriateness of investigating corruption in the U.K.,” he added.

From Ms. Fiona Hill, “So again, the fact that their investigations in the corruptions in the energy sector in Ukraine, as well as in Russia and in many other countries, is not a surprise.” From yourself, your previous testimony, question, was it that the general understanding that Burisma was a company that suffered from allegations of corruption? Your answer was, “Yes.” From Ambassador Sondland, “I just am generally aware of that Burisma is considered a potentially corrupt company.”

“Would you agree, then, that it’s appropriate to investigate corruption?” asked Rep. Stewart. Yovanovitch replied:

I think it’s appropriate if it’s part of our national strategy. What I would say is that we have a process for doing that. It’s called the Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty. We have one with Ukraine, and generally it goes from our Department of Justice to the Ministry of Justice of the country of interest.

Stewart responded:

I appreciate that. Regardless of the process, it’s appropriate for us to investigate potential corruption. And especially, look, we’re about to give some of these countries hundreds of millions of dollars.

We mentioned earlier that the vice president, when he went to the Ukraine and called for the specific firing of a specific prosecutor, that he was completing official U.S. Policy.

But the interesting thing is this. The vice president had exactly two countries that were his responsibility at that time, China and the Ukraine. And he has bragged and been very proud about his influence in the previous administration. He says, again and again, that the Obama Administration listened to him, so it doesn’t surprise me that they would be fulfilling a policy that this vice president certainly helped to formulate.

Source Politico with a video:
Not Recognized (Democrat Adam) Schiff Clashes with Republicans:

Facts most of us or some of us have friends family and relatives who disagree with us on Trump and the impeachment charges by the Democrats. With which we will gather with on thanksgiving and perhaps talk about with them on.

Facts My Regional Poll results on I cant convince the other side on President Trumps innocence or guilty based on the impeachment inquiry testimonies both sides present to each other are very similar to the threads Poll results of support For President Trump and opposition to President Trump.

Facts most of us cant change each other minds on Trump and the impeachment charges against him based on the same evidence with hear on the house impeachment hearings. As Proven by my regional Poll all nations can access and participate on if they wish on the nation states Poll Page and on my regional Poll Page. which are very similar to the Pro and anti Trump impeachment results of this thread Percentage wise %

Facts Here are the credible nation states approved sources anyone can link to and quote from:

Facts Many or some Democrats, leftists and Trump opponents don't agree with us Republicans, right wingers and Trump supporters right wing sources are credible sources.

Facts I for one can read right wing sources and left wing sources without any problems, and I don't put them down as wrong leftists propaganda.

Facts: Most Democrats, leftists and Trump opponents agree with each other on Presidents Trump s guilt.

Facts: Most Republican, right wingers and Trump supporters agree with each other on President Trump s innocence.

Facts: Most Republicans, right wingers and Trump supporters agree with me on President Trump s innocence.

Facts: Most Democrats, leftists and anti Trumpers can speak for most Democrats, leftists and anti Trumpers because they agree on President Trump s guilt as charged by the Democrats.

Facts: A few Republicans, right wingers and Trump supporters have sent me friendly TGs as I call them, and thanked me for strongly and Proudly defending President Trump on this thread and other threads against the Democrats and Trump opponents. Invited me to join their region which I did Saturday morning with one of my Miami nations at about 3:25 AM Miami Dade Florida Time. So I can speak for most Republicans, right wingers and Pro Trumpers. I am the worlds greatest insomniac, I beat the world record every day, I am even stronger on the week ends. So I am usually on nation states which I love and we all love.

Facts: The Democrats in congress have charged, tried and convicted President Trump guilty as charged by the Democrats. Like Nancy Pelosi and Democrat Adam Schiff.

Facts: Democrat Adam Schiff twisted President Trump's words against him on the phone call to Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky to make it sound worse.

Facts: President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky a former comedian, said he had good friendly conversations with President Trump, he felt no pressures from President Trump, on their phone call, he said, their was no quid pro quo, bribery or black mail from President Trump. I should have been on TV or video he said, lol good joke President Volodymyr Zelensky.

Facts: President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine has good friendly relations with President Donald J Trump of The United States of America ( The USA).

Source Breitbart with videos allowed under NS Nation States rules as a source to post and quote from.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019 ... -activity/

Source Politico with a video Please scroll down to the 7th video.
Not Recognized (Democrat Adam) Schiff Clashes with Republicans:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019 ... -activity/

Facts: I do post links with comments, videos, facts and evidence.

I rest my case and Points again. It is just an expression I am allowed to use if I wish to do so over and over again. I don't harp on anyone's expressions.

Facts: I have a few other Posts Planed in the near future.

[Farnhamia]

What are you afraid of getting in trouble for?

For posting a link to my regional Poll so they can participate on it Pro or Con if they wish to do so. which I can share but not link to it. Also it is possible for me to link my regional Public Poll to my OP introduction Posts so anyone can vote on it. But I was once told a long time ago, it would be considered spam as I think I recall. I have stopped harping on the Public option as you told me too.
Thank You Farmhamia.

Greater Miami Shores - Alberto.

Link it, it's not against the rules. I understand that you want to be able to see who is voting and how, but to prevent what? If people are voting with puppets, you won't be able to tell. And isn't a secret ballot one of the basic freedoms of democracy? Just saying.

[Greater Miami Shores]

For posting a link to my regional Poll so they can participate on it Pro or Con if they wish to do so. which I can share but not link to it. Also it is possible for me to link my regional Public Poll to my OP introduction Posts so anyone can vote on it. But I was once told a long time ago, it would be considered spam as I think I recall. I have stopped harping on the Public option as you told me too.
Thank You Farmhamia.

Greater Miami Shores - Alberto.

Link it, it's not against the rules. I understand that you want to be able to see who is voting and how, but to prevent what? If people are voting with puppets, you won't be able to tell. And isn't a secret ballot one of the basic freedoms of democracy? Just saying.

Thank you Farnhamia, Yes I know and I understand people can still use puppets to vote with. But perhaps it will cut down on any potential vote fraud. A secret ballot is one of the most important basic freedoms of democracy in elections. But this is a forum where we argue, debate and discuss our different, economic, political, foreign policy and social views on the threads. we should be able to see if their posts match their votes on the polls on all issues such as this one on President Trump's Impeachment by the Democrats.

As well as RPs.

Here is my Public Regional Poll Link so far all nation persons are welcomed to vote on Pro or Cons. which can be accessed from my region nation and from the nation states poll page. at least 4 trump supporters and 7 Trump opponents have voted on it so far:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=150005

https://www.nationstates.net/page=creat ... it=1256289

I am still afraid of posting links to Public regional Polls on threads I create on the General and RP forums OP introduction Posts?

I have stopped Harping on the Public option as you told me too.

Greater Miami Shores - Alberto

[Tekania]

Since some people seem to have a difficult time grasping this concept, allow me to quote (at the time) House Minority Leader and future President Gerald Ford when pushing for impeachment of Associate Justice Douglas, "an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history."

[Professor Irwin Corey]

lol as said it is an expression, what I mean is I have proven my case and points. But I am not surprised leftists, Democrats and anti Trumpers don't agree with me, with us Republicans and Pro Trumpers. I am under no illusions we can change their minds on Trumps guilt with all the comments, videos and evidence we present from the house impeachment inquiry. thanks for your post.

You can't change people's mind on the guilt because all the evidence currently points towards guilt.

Which is why his defenders have invented this entire Ukraine Burisma/Hunter Biden thing. It's a version of that Pee Wee Herman childish strategy - "I know you are but what am I. I know you are but what am I. I know you are but what am I"

However, there is no substantial evidence of any wrongdoing in their juvenile counter narrative. Yet they prattle on. It's merely an exercise in creating a bunch of flatulent noise for their Foxy echo chamber pots. One can easily tell, because it stinks.

[The East Marches II]

Since some people seem to have a difficult time grasping this concept, allow me to quote (at the time) House Minority Leader and future President Gerald Ford when pushing for impeachment of Associate Justice Douglas, "an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history."

This is a good take

[San Lumen]

Link it, it's not against the rules. I understand that you want to be able to see who is voting and how, but to prevent what? If people are voting with puppets, you won't be able to tell. And isn't a secret ballot one of the basic freedoms of democracy? Just saying.

Thank you Farnhamia, Yes I know and I understand people can still use puppets to vote with. But perhaps it will cut down on any potential vote fraud. A secret ballot is one of the most important basic freedoms of democracy in elections. But this is a forum where we argue, debate and discuss our different, economic, political, foreign policy and social views on the threads. we should be able to see if their posts match their votes on the polls on all issues such as this one on President Trump's Impeachment by the Democrats.

As well as RPs.

Here is my Public Regional Poll Link so far all nation persons are welcomed to vote on Pro or Cons. which can be accessed from my region nation and from the nation states poll page. at least 4 trump supporters and 7 Trump opponents have voted on it so far:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=150005

https://www.nationstates.net/page=creat ... it=1256289

I am still afraid of posting links to Public regional Polls on threads I create on the General and RP forums OP introduction Posts?

I have stopped Harping on the Public option as you told me too.

Greater Miami Shores - Alberto

and your regional poll proves nothing. Its like saying online comments mean something. They don't. If your think they do than Governor Andrew Gillum says hello.

in other news: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump- ... y-n1090566

Former White House Consul Don McGahn has been ordered to testify before Congress by a judge

[Valrifell]

Since some people seem to have a difficult time grasping this concept, allow me to quote (at the time) House Minority Leader and future President Gerald Ford when pushing for impeachment of Associate Justice Douglas, "an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history."

Yeah, the Federalist papers say as much. That's what "high crimes and misdemeanors" are.

That doesn't mean that Trump doesn't deserve to be removed or didn't do something criminal, if that was your point. He's a criminally bad leader, and impeachment was made to be rid of him.

[Gormwood]

Federal judge says former White House counsel Don McGahn must speak to House: 'Presidents are not kings'

Let's see how far Trump's baby tantrum goes.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Thank you Farnhamia, Yes I know and I understand people can still use puppets to vote with. But perhaps it will cut down on any potential vote fraud. A secret ballot is one of the most important basic freedoms of democracy in elections. But this is a forum where we argue, debate and discuss our different, economic, political, foreign policy and social views on the threads. we should be able to see if their posts match their votes on the polls on all issues such as this one on President Trump's Impeachment by the Democrats.

As well as RPs.

Here is my Public Regional Poll Link so far all nation persons are welcomed to vote on Pro or Cons. which can be accessed from my region nation and from the nation states poll page. at least 4 trump supporters and 7 Trump opponents have voted on it so far:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=150005

https://www.nationstates.net/page=creat ... it=1256289

I am still afraid of posting links to Public regional Polls on threads I create on the General and RP forums OP introduction Posts?

I have stopped Harping on the Public option as you told me too.

Greater Miami Shores - Alberto

and your regional poll proves nothing. Its like saying online comments mean something. They don't. If your think they do than Governor Andrew Gillum says hello.

in other news: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump- ... y-n1090566

Former White House Consul Don McGahn has been ordered to testify before Congress by a judge

My Public regional Poll results above prove they are very similar to the results of this thread's Poll results on President Trump and the impeachment by the Democrats, from a smaller sample of persons. All fellow nation persons are welcomed to participate as indicated above, with their Pro and Con votes. All fellow nation persons on this threads views, would fit well on my regional Polls if they wish to participate or not.

Did you think I am surprised you and the others disagree with me, this is a statement not a question. You Democrats, leftist and anti Trump opponents disagree with me 99 % percent of the time on President Trump and most issues. Just like we disagree with you all most of the time on President Trump and most issues. Nor do I care. But we all must be at least civil to each other to not get in trouble. Thanks for your posts.

[Totenborg]

and your regional poll proves nothing. Its like saying online comments mean something. They don't. If your think they do than Governor Andrew Gillum says hello.

in other news: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump- ... y-n1090566

Former White House Consul Don McGahn has been ordered to testify before Congress by a judge

My Public regional Poll results above prove they are very similar to the results of this thread's Poll results on President Trump and the impeachment by the Democrats, from a smaller sample of persons. All fellow nation persons are welcomed to participate as indicated above, with their Pro and Con votes. All fellow nation persons on this threads views, would fit well on my regional Polls if they wish to participate or not.

Did you think I am surprised you and the others disagree with me, this is a statement not a question. You Democrats, leftist and anti Trump opponents disagree with me 99 % percent of the time on President Trump and most issues. Just like we disagree with you all most of the time on President Trump and most issues. Nor do I care. But we all must be at least civil to each other to not get in trouble. Thanks for your posts.

Well, of course we disagree with you. We find nothing in the man worthy sycophantic devotion.

[San Montalbano]

https://www.huffpost.com/highline/artic ... ible-wall/

Surprised by Huff Post on this one

[San Lumen]

and your regional poll proves nothing. Its like saying online comments mean something. They don't. If your think they do than Governor Andrew Gillum says hello.

in other news: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump- ... y-n1090566

Former White House Consul Don McGahn has been ordered to testify before Congress by a judge

My Public regional Poll results above prove they are very similar to the results of this thread's Poll results on President Trump and the impeachment by the Democrats, from a smaller sample of persons. All fellow nation persons are welcomed to participate as indicated above, with their Pro and Con votes. All fellow nation persons on this threads views, would fit well on my regional Polls if they wish to participate or not.

Did you think I am surprised you and the others disagree with me, this is a statement not a question. You Democrats, leftist and anti Trump opponents disagree with me 99 % percent of the time on President Trump and most issues. Just like we disagree with you all most of the time on President Trump and most issues. Nor do I care. But we all must be at least civil to each other to not get in trouble. Thanks for your posts.

As I already told you they are meaningless. Its not scientific poll. By your logic Gillum should be your Governor.

Why do you insist on continuing to post the same responses over and over again? Its not getting you anywhere because its not an argument.

[Salandriagado]

https://www.huffpost.com/highline/article/invisible-wall/

Surprised by Huff Post on this one

You didn't read it, did you?

[Uiiop]

Federal judge says former White House counsel Don McGahn must speak to House: 'Presidents are not kings'

Let's see how far Trump's baby tantrum goes.

Try explaining that to the fellowship dear judge.

[San Lumen]

Federal judge says former White House counsel Don McGahn must speak to House: 'Presidents are not kings'

Let's see how far Trump's baby tantrum goes.

Try explaining that to the fellowship dear judge.

Its almost certain they will appeal. I wonder what he will do if the Supreme Court orders him to testify. I dont think Roberts wants to all but eliminate congressional oversight

[Greater Miami Shores]

My Public regional Poll results above prove they are very similar to the results of this thread's Poll results on President Trump and the impeachment by the Democrats, from a smaller sample of persons. All fellow nation persons are welcomed to participate as indicated above, with their Pro and Con votes. All fellow nation persons on this threads views, would fit well on my regional Polls if they wish to participate or not.

Did you think I am surprised you and the others disagree with me, this is a statement not a question. You Democrats, leftist and anti Trump opponents disagree with me 99 % percent of the time on President Trump and most issues. Just like we disagree with you all most of the time on President Trump and most issues. Nor do I care. But we all must be at least civil to each other to not get in trouble. Thanks for your posts.

As I already told you they are meaningless. Its not scientific poll. By your logic Gillum should be your Governor.

Why do you insist on continuing to post the same responses over and over again? Its not getting you anywhere because its not an argument.

Please view and read my Facts Post in full context.
viewtopic.php?p=36469025#p36469025

I am very happy Republican Governor of Florida Ron DeSantis won the election as Governor.

I have posted many arguments with posts, links and videos, and you and the others still disagree with me, the Republicans and Trump supporters, and that is ok with me, I don't have any problems with it. Re Read my posts to you in full context.

I know you told me my regional polls are meaning less, and I told you why they are meaning full, according to my views and those I know who agree with me. You just don't agree with me oh what a shock not, and I told you nor do I care. You post a few canned responses and questions to me too like the ones above many times.

Facts: We must still be civil to each other to not get in trouble, thanks for your posts.

[Tekania]

Since some people seem to have a difficult time grasping this concept, allow me to quote (at the time) House Minority Leader and future President Gerald Ford when pushing for impeachment of Associate Justice Douglas, "an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history."

Yeah, the Federalist papers say as much. That's what "high crimes and misdemeanors" are.

That doesn't mean that Trump doesn't deserve to be removed or didn't do something criminal, if that was your point. He's a criminally bad leader, and impeachment was made to be rid of him.

Never said that's what it means. My point is historically, what constitutes an impeachable offense is whatever the house says and impeachable offense is. Some people think the House is not finding any impeachable offense, and my point is that whatever the house determines is an impeachable offense is an impeachable offense as that is how it's setup.

Now, whether the president should be removed is a determination for the senate to make during an impeachment trial. We're not at the trial yet.