MAGAThread XVIII: The Authority Is Total

About me · by **Luziyca** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:28 am

Personally, Trump ought to be removed and prosecuted, and based on all the evidence thus far, he should be removed and prosecuted from the Presidency.

The only question is whether the Republicans are willing to stand up in favor of the Constitution, or defend Trump's activities.

by **Zurkerx** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:07 am

An Analysis: Republicans buy into Trump conspiracies to blunt impact of impeachment hearings.

So in this analysis, the author basically says that Republican support remains firm despite damning evidence. This is because they have an effective well-oiled machine that can spew propaganda and the fact they're taking advantage of the ignorance of voters whom rather be spoon fed information with the flavors they like. Essentially the Republicans had two options: either acknowledged the mounting evidence and turn on the President or conclude his behavior to be inappropriate, but doesn't warrant impeachment.

Instead, they went with a third option given by Trump: Deny, Lie, Distort, and Confuse.

It's actually deeply concerning that the GOP is literally spewing the same talking points as Russian Propaganda. It's also ironic since the GOP is the one that takes credit for bringing down the Russian Bear during the Cold War; they spew Moscow's talking points now. In a way, Republicans will win I fear with their disinformation, a battle per say, but are at risk of losing the war- the long term.

As Schiff did say (paraphrasing): "If Barack Obama had done this, they would have voted to impeach him in a heartbeat with a fraction of the evidence. It shouldn't matter if this is a Republican president."

Of course, I'm skeptical of that last line as I do believe Democrats would defend their own until the end though I will say that based on the evidence gathered, they would turn on the Democrat too.

by **Greater Miami Shores** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:32 am

I can assure you all, we Republicans strongly disagree with all you leftists and anti Trumpers. Based on all the evidence of hearsay and presumptions not facts and no evidence of guilt. As we have presented on this thread, with articles, comments, statements by the ambassadors under cross examination by the Republicans,

Prove President Trump has not committed any impeachable crimes. Has not admitted their was a quid pro quo or guilt. during his interview with Fox News and Friends we all heard and saw. on the contrary, as President Trump said and ambassador Gordon Sonland testified under cross examination by the Republicans, I asked him President Trump, what do you want from Ukraine. President Trump answered I want nothing, I don't want a quid pro quo.

Ambassador Gordon Sondland admitted under cross examination by the Republicans, his so called their was a quid pro quo by President Trump was based on feelings and presumptions not facts and evidence.

The only and real questions are, will the Partisan Democrats for political reasons against President Trump, give up their political impeachment against President Trump? I say no.

Will this political impeachment attempt for Political reasons against President Trump by the so called Democrat saints, back fire and blow up in the Democrats face, and help President Trump win reelection in 2020, especially with independent voters, and independent voters in the battleground states, I say yes.

At least 72 Persons on this thread so far 33.64 % out of 214 Persons, agree with my views on President Trump and the impeachment by the Democrats. 5 Persons 02.34 % are neutral and 137 Persons 64.02 % agree with the Democrats and anti Trumpers. Given that Democrats, leftists and anti Trumpers are a majority on this thread and forum the results of this threads Poll does not surprise anyone.

My related regional Poll I am not allowed to link to but I can share with you all, so far 4 Pro Trumpers and 7 anti Trumpers, out of 11 Persons say, from the evidence they present to the other side, from the house impeachment majority Democrat committee, they cant change the other sides mind on President Trum's innocence or guilt. 4 - 36.36 % to 63.64 %. what a coincidence very similar to the this threads poll results, proving another one of my points.

As an Accountant by profession, I love math and statistics, so I love doing this kind of stuff. It is on my sigs.

by **The JELLEAIN Republic** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:42 am

Of course anyone who even questions trump. Is a socialist Anti trumper that wants to take your guns and cows away.

It’s not red side blue side.

Think “democracy 3” same deal. Many people oN left that think guns are ok and many people on right that think abortion is ok. You can’t put someone in a “team” and blame them for all the “team” may have done.

All are individuals.*

That way of thinking currently rests on Fox News like things and is disseminated via propaganda.

Except for him maybe ...

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by **The JELLEAIN Republic** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:55 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:I can assure you all, we Republicans strongly disagree with all you leftists and anti Trumpers. Based on all the evidence of hearsay and presumptions not facts and no evidence of guilt. As we have presented on this thread, with articles, comments, statements by the ambassadors under cross examination by the Republicans,

Prove President Trump has not committed any impeachable crimes. Has not admitted their was a quid pro quo or guilt. during his interview with Fox News and Friends we all heard and saw. on the contrary, as President Trump said and ambassador Gordon Sonland testified under cross examination by the Republicans, I asked him President Trump, what do you want from Ukraine. President Trump answered I want nothing, I don't want a quid pro quo.

Ambassador Gordon Sondland admitted under cross examination by the Republicans, his so called their was a quid pro quo by President Trump was based on feelings and presumptions not facts and evidence.

The only and real questions are, will the Partisan Democrats for political reasons against President Trump, give up their political impeachment against President Trump? I say no.

Will this political impeachment attempt for Political reasons against President Trump by the so called Democrat saints, back fire and blow up in the Democrats face, and help President Trump win reelection in 2020, especially with independent voters, and independent voters in the battleground states, I say yes.

At least 72 Persons on this thread so far 33.64 % out of 214 Persons, agree with my views on President Trump and the impeachment by the Democrats. 5 Persons 02.34 % are neutral and 137 Persons 64.02 % agree with the Democrats and anti Trumpers. Given that Democrats, leftists and anti Trumpers are a majority on this thread and forum the results of this threads Poll does not surprise anyone.

My related regional Poll I am not allowed to link to but I can share with you all, so far 4 Pro Trumpers and 7 anti Trumpers, out of 11 Persons say, from the evidence they present to the other side, from the house impeachment majority Democrat committee, they cant change the other sides mind on President Trum's innocence or guilt. 4 - 36.36 % to 63.64 %. what a coincidence very similar to the this threads poll results, proving another one of my points.

As an Accountant by profession, I love math and statistics, so I love doing this kind of stuff. It is on my sigs.

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by **The JELLEAIN Republic** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:00 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:I can assure you all, we Republicans strongly disagree with all you leftists and anti Trumpers. Based on all the evidence of hearsay and presumptions not facts and no evidence of guilt. As we have presented on this thread, with articles, comments, statements by the ambassadors under cross examination by the Republicans,

Prove President Trump has not committed any impeachable crimes. Has not admitted their was a quid pro quo or guilt. during his interview with Fox News and Friends we all heard and saw. on the contrary, as President Trump said and ambassador Gordon Sonland testified under cross examination by the Republicans, I asked him President Trump, what do you want from Ukraine. President Trump answered I want nothing, I don't want a quid pro quo.

Ambassador Gordon Sondland admitted under cross examination by the Republicans, his so called their was a quid pro quo by President Trump was based on feelings and presumptions not facts and evidence.

The only and real questions are, will the Partisan Democrats for political reasons against President Trump, give up their political impeachment against President Trump? I say no.

Will this political impeachment attempt for Political reasons against President Trump by the so called Democrat saints, back fire and blow up in the Democrats face, and help President Trump win reelection in 2020, especially with independent voters, and independent voters in the battleground states, I say yes.

At least 72 Persons on this thread so far 33.64 % out of 214 Persons, agree with my views on President Trump and the impeachment by the Democrats. 5 Persons 02.34 % are neutral and 137 Persons 64.02 % agree with the Democrats and anti Trumpers. Given that Democrats, leftists and anti Trumpers are a majority on this thread and forum the results of this threads Poll does not surprise anyone.

My related regional Poll I am not allowed to link to but I can share with you all, so far 4 Pro Trumpers and 7 anti Trumpers, out of 11 Persons say, from the evidence they present to the other side, from the house impeachment majority Democrat committee, they cant change the other sides mind on President Trum's innocence or guilt. 4 - 36.36 % to 63.64 %. what a coincidence very similar to the this threads poll results, proving another one of my points.

As an Accountant by profession, I love math and statistics, so I love doing this kind of stuff. It is on my sigs.

I don’t mean to be insulting but the line has to be drawn somewhere. The things you say sound no different from page 40! It could have been written off a Fox News segment.

by **Vassenor** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:00 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:I can assure you all, we Republicans strongly disagree with all you leftists and anti Trumpers. Based on all the evidence of hearsay and presumptions not facts and no evidence of guilt. As we have presented on this thread, with articles, comments, statements by the ambassadors under cross examination by the Republicans,

Prove President Trump has not committed any impeachable crimes. Has not admitted their was a quid pro quo or guilt. during his interview with Fox News and Friends we all heard and saw. on the contrary, as President Trump said and ambassador Gordon Sonland testified under cross examination by the Republicans, I asked him President Trump, what do you want from Ukraine. President Trump answered I want nothing, I don't want a quid pro quo.

Ambassador Gordon Sondland admitted under cross examination by the Republicans, his so called their was a quid pro quo by President Trump was based on feelings and presumptions not facts and evidence.

The only and real questions are, will the Partisan Democrats for political reasons against President Trump, give up their political impeachment against President Trump? I say no.

Will this political impeachment attempt for Political reasons against President Trump by the so called Democrat saints, back fire and blow up in the Democrats face, and help President Trump win reelection in 2020, especially with independent voters, and independent voters in the battleground states, I say yes.

At least 72 Persons on this thread so far 33.64 % out of 214 Persons, agree with my views on President Trump and the impeachment by the Democrats. 5 Persons 02.34 % are neutral and 137 Persons 64.02 % agree with the Democrats and anti Trumpers. Given that Democrats, leftists and anti Trumpers are a majority on this thread and forum the results of this threads Poll does not surprise anyone.

My related regional Poll I am not allowed to link to but I can share with you all, so far 4 Pro Trumpers and 7 anti Trumpers, out of 11 Persons say, from the evidence they present to the other side, from the house impeachment majority Democrat committee, they cant change the other sides mind on President Trum's innocence or guilt. 4 - 36.36 % to 63.64 %. what a coincidence very similar to the this threads poll results, proving another one of my points.

As an Accountant by profession, I love math and statistics, so I love doing this kind of stuff. It is on my sigs.

"They have the server, right, from the DNC, Democratic National Committee," Trump said. "The FBI went in and they told them, get out of here, we're not giving it to you. They gave the server to CrowdStrike or whatever it's called, which is a country — which is a company owned by a very wealthy Ukrainian. And I still want to see that server. You know, the FBI's never gotten that server. That's a big part of this whole thing. Why did they give it to a Ukrainian company?"

The cohost Steve Doocy, appearing to anticipate the path Trump was going down, asked incredulously: "Are you sure they did that? Are you sure they gave it to Ukraine?"

"Well, that's what the word is. That's what I asked, actually, in my phone call," he said, referring to his July 25 conversation with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that's the focus of the whistleblower complaint that sparked the impeachment inquiry.

Then, critically, the president added: "I mean, I asked it very point-blank, because we're looking for corruption. There's tremendous corruption. Why should we be giving hundreds of millions of dollars to countries when there's this kind of corruption?"

by **Greater Miami Shores** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:06 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I can assure you all, we Republicans strongly disagree with all you leftists and anti Trumpers. Based on all the evidence of hearsay and presumptions not facts and no evidence of guilt. As we have presented on this thread, with articles, comments, statements by the ambassadors under cross examination by the Republicans,

Prove President Trump has not committed any impeachable crimes. Has not admitted their was a quid pro quo or guilt. during his interview with Fox News and Friends we all heard and saw. on the contrary, as President Trump said and ambassador Gordon Sonland testified under cross examination by the Republicans, I asked him President Trump, what do you want from Ukraine. President Trump answered I want nothing, I don't want a quid pro quo.

Ambassador Gordon Sondland admitted under cross examination by the Republicans, his so called their was a quid pro quo by President Trump was based on feelings and presumptions not facts and evidence.

The only and real questions are, will the Partisan Democrats for political reasons against President Trump, give up their political impeachment against President Trump? I say no.

Will this political impeachment attempt for Political reasons against President Trump by the so called Democrat saints, back fire and blow up in the Democrats face, and help President Trump win reelection in 2020, especially with independent voters, and independent voters in the battleground states, I say yes.

At least 72 Persons on this thread so far 33.64 % out of 214 Persons, agree with my views on President Trump and the impeachment by the Democrats. 5 Persons 02.34 % are neutral and 137 Persons 64.02 % agree with the Democrats and anti Trumpers. Given that Democrats, leftists and anti Trumpers are a majority on this thread and forum the results of this threads Poll does not surprise anyone.

My related regional Poll I am not allowed to link to but I can share with you all, so far 4 Pro Trumpers and 7 anti Trumpers, out of 11 Persons say, from the evidence they present to the other side, from the house impeachment majority Democrat committee, they cant change the other sides mind on President Trum's innocence or guilt. 4 - 36.36 % to 63.64 %. what a coincidence very similar to the this threads poll results, proving another one of my points.

As an Accountant by profession, I love math and statistics, so I love doing this kind of stuff. It is on my sigs.

"They have the server, right, from the DNC, Democratic National Committee," Trump said. "The FBI went in and they told them, get out of here, we're not giving it to you. They gave the server to CrowdStrike or whatever it's called, which is a country — which is a company owned by a very wealthy Ukrainian. And I still want to see that server. You know, the FBI's never gotten that server. That's a big part of this whole thing. Why did they give it to a Ukrainian company?"

The cohost Steve Doocy, appearing to anticipate the path Trump was going down, asked incredulously: "Are you sure they did that? Are you sure they gave it to Ukraine?"

"Well, that's what the word is. That's what I asked, actually, in my phone call," he said, referring to his July 25 conversation with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that's the focus of the whistleblower complaint that sparked the impeachment inquiry.

Then, critically, the president added: "I mean, I asked it very point-blank, because we're looking for corruption. There's tremendous corruption. Why should we be giving hundreds of millions of dollars to countries when there's this kind of corruption?"

I saw and heard President Trump's interview with Fox News and Friends, we Republicans and Trump supporters, saw and heard President Trump's interview with Fox News and Friends. We agree President Trump did not say their was a quid pro quo, did not admit to any guilt. Ask the same questions to other Republicans and Pro Trumpers. The statements above are not an admission of guilt.

by **Necroghastia** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:38 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Vassenor wrote:

I saw and heard President Trump's interview with Fox News and Friends, we Republicans and Trump supporters, saw and heard President Trump's interview with Fox News and Friends. We agree President Trump did not say their was a quid pro quo, did not admit to any guilt. Ask the same questions to other Republicans and Pro Trumpers. The statements above are not an admission of guilt.

He asked for an investigation into Crowdstrike and said that he felt that the US should not give aid unless that happened. What else would you call that?

by **The Black Forrest** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:14 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:I can assure you all, we Republicans strongly disagree with all you leftists and anti Trumpers.

I don’t think you speak for the Republicans. At best the ever Trumpers.

Nobody says you can disagree. You can disagree and still be wrong.

Based on all the evidence of hearsay and presumptions not facts and no evidence of guilt.

The counter facts presented by the republicans have been hearsay and conspiracy theories.

As we have presented on this thread, with articles, comments, statements by the ambassadors under cross examination by the Republicans,

Prove President Trump has not committed any impeachable crimes.

And your evidence has been proven wrong. I have heard constitutional people say there are charges which can be brought. One of the guys who worked against Nixon said there are changes which can be brought.

Has not admitted their was a quid pro quo or guilt. during his interview with Fox News and Friends we all heard and saw.

And the mob bosses of old never admitted to guilt as well.

on the contrary, as President Trump said and ambassador Gordon Sonland testified under cross examination by the Republicans, I asked him President Trump, what do you want from Ukraine. President Trump answered I want nothing, I don't want a quid pro quo.

Ambassador Gordon Sondland admitted under cross examination by the Republicans, his so called their was a quid pro quo by President Trump was based on feelings and presumptions not facts and evidence.

You seem to be fixating on a statement rather then what was going on. “I don’t want QPQ but for aid and a meeting you have to announce an investigation of Burisma....”

Sondland opened his statement by saying yes there was and explained the process.

I know that members of this Committee have frequently framed these complicated issues in the form of a simple question: Was there a “quid pro quo?” As I testified previously, with regard to the requested White House call and White House meeting, the answer is yes,” Sondland said.

Sondland had initially testified in a close-door deposition last month that he was unaware of a link between the investigations and a White House meeting with Zelensky. Earlier this month he amended his initial testimony to say he later learned of the connection. But his public testimony Wednesday was the clearest admission yet by a senior administration official that U.S. policy with Ukraine was influenced by the president’s domestic political concerns.

Did Sondland link Trump directly to quid pro quo? It’s complicatedF

Sondland and Trump discussed Ukraine by phone at several critical points in recent months. The conversations include a phone call on July 24 — the day before Trump’s July 25 phone call with Zelensky — another call on July 26, and a third conversation in early September, just days before the White House released the nearly $400 million in military aid to Ukraine.

In all those conversations, however, Sondland said Trump never specifically told him he was withholding the military security aid in exchange for the announcement of an investigation into the Bidens.

“I don’t recall President Trump talking to me about any security assistance, ever,” Sondland said. And he noted that in his Sept. 9 call with Trump, the president told him “I want no quid pro quo” with Ukraine.

But Sondland also confirmed that in the same conversation Trump told him Zelensky would have to “clear things up” by announcing the investigations in order to secure a White House meeting. By that point, Sondland said he understood the focus of the investigations the White House wanted was Burisma, the Bidens and a conspiracy theory pushed by Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

Sondland also outlined in his opening statement that once he became aware that there was a hold on aid to Ukraine, he became concerned and lobbied for an explanation for the delay. Eventually, Sondland said he came to believe that the aid would not be released “until there was a public statement from Ukraine committing to the investigations of the 2016 election and Burisma, as Mr. Giuliani had demanded.”

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/s ... from-trump

by **Greater Miami Shores** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:09 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I can assure you all, we Republicans strongly disagree with all you leftists and anti Trumpers.

I don’t think you speak for the Republicans. At best the ever Trumpers.

Nobody says you can disagree. You can disagree and still be wrong.

Based on all the evidence of hearsay and presumptions not facts and no evidence of guilt.

The counter facts presented by the republicans have been hearsay and conspiracy theories.

As we have presented on this thread, with articles, comments, statements by the ambassadors under cross examination by the Republicans,

Prove President Trump has not committed any impeachable crimes.

And your evidence has been proven wrong. I have heard constitutional people say there are charges which can be brought. One of the guys who worked against Nixon said there are changes which can be brought.

Has not admitted their was a quid pro quo or guilt. during his interview with Fox News and Friends we all heard and saw.

And the mob bosses of old never admitted to guilt as well.

on the contrary, as President Trump said and ambassador Gordon Sonland testified under cross examination by the Republicans, I asked him President Trump, what do you want from Ukraine. President Trump answered I want nothing, I don't want a quid pro quo.

Ambassador Gordon Sondland admitted under cross examination by the Republicans, his so called their was a quid pro quo by President Trump was based on feelings and presumptions not facts and evidence.

You seem to be fixating on a statement rather then what was going on. “I don’t want QPQ but for aid and a meeting you have to announce an investigation of Burisma....”

Sondland opened his statement by saying yes there was and explained the process.

I know that members of this Committee have frequently framed these complicated issues in the form of a simple question: Was there a “quid pro quo?” As I testified previously, with regard to the requested White House call and White House meeting, the answer is yes,” Sondland said.

Sondland had initially testified in a close-door deposition last month that he was unaware of a link between the investigations and a White House meeting with Zelensky. Earlier this month he amended his initial testimony to say he later learned of the connection. But his public testimony Wednesday was the clearest admission yet by a senior administration official that U.S. policy with Ukraine was influenced by the president’s domestic political concerns.

Did Sondland link Trump directly to quid pro quo? It’s complicatedF

Sondland and Trump discussed Ukraine by phone at several critical points in recent months. The conversations include a phone call on July 24 — the day before Trump’s July 25 phone call with Zelensky — another call on July 26, and a third conversation in early September, just days before the White House released the nearly $400 million in military aid to Ukraine.

In all those conversations, however, Sondland said Trump never specifically told him he was withholding the military security aid in exchange for the announcement of an investigation into the Bidens.

“I don’t recall President Trump talking to me about any security assistance, ever,” Sondland said. And he noted that in his Sept. 9 call with Trump, the president told him “I want no quid pro quo” with Ukraine.

But Sondland also confirmed that in the same conversation Trump told him Zelensky would have to “clear things up” by announcing the investigations in order to secure a White House meeting. By that point, Sondland said he understood the focus of the investigations the White House wanted was Burisma, the Bidens and a conspiracy theory pushed by Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

Sondland also outlined in his opening statement that once he became aware that there was a hold on aid to Ukraine, he became concerned and lobbied for an explanation for the delay. Eventually, Sondland said he came to believe that the aid would not be released “until there was a public statement from Ukraine committing to the investigations of the 2016 election and Burisma, as Mr. Giuliani had demanded.”

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/s ... from-trump

I have seen your link before and I have another link with a different take and the cross examination by the Republicans, which I just lost again darn, I am not making this up. But I have linked to these statements before from various sources.

I do speak for most Republicans and Trump supporters, as they agree with me on Trump and other issues. As you speak for most Democrats and anti Trump supporters, who agree with you on Trump and other issues. As they have told me so on friendly TGs, congratulated me for strongly defending President Trump. Inviting me to join their region. which I did Saturday morning about 3:25 Am Miami Florida time with one of my Miami nations.

"The counter facts presented by the republicans have been hearsay and conspiracy theories." Wrong they are based on the Republicans cross examinations of the house witnesses, where they admit their was no quid pro quo, especially on ambassador Sonland's testimony and are based on their presumptions, not facts and evidence. I have no choice but to repeat myself again.

"And your evidence has been proven wrong. I have heard constitutional people say there are charges which can be brought. One of the guys who worked against Nixon said there are changes which can be brought." I heard and saw a lawyer on Fox News say the Democrats have no case of bribery or impeachment against the President Trump. I am sure we can find constitutional persons who would disagree with your constitutional people.

President Trump Has not admitted their was a quid pro quo or guilt. during his interview with Fox News and Friends we all heard and saw. "And the mob bosses of old never admitted to guilt as well. Just like President Trump who is not a mob boss, has not admitted to a quid pro quo or guilt, on Fox News and Friends and other situations, on the contrary he is trying very hard to defend himself against the Trumped up charges of the Democrats against him. Like I would do, you would do and we would do, if we were President or leader of any nation under the same or similar circumstances of not guilty as charged by them.

"You seem to be fixating on a statement rather then what was going on. “I don’t want QPQ but for aid and a meeting you have to announce an investigation of Burisma....”Sondland opened his statement by saying yes there was and explained the process.? I am not fixated by anything you say this. Sondland also explained under cross examination by the Republicans, it was based on presumptions not facts and evidence, and stated President Trump told him I want nothing, I want no quid pro quo, you seem fixated that I am fixated on this which I am not, just pointing out what ambassador Gordon Sonland admitted too under cross examination by the Republicans, which I saw, you saw and we all saw during the committee hearings.

"Nobody says you can disagree. You can disagree and still be wrong." just as you all can disagree and still be wrong. yeah they say I can disagree and I am always wrong and they are always right, based on facts, based on their own facts. As their posts to me prove my point.

I rest my case and points again, Back to First Base. 2 Favorite expressions of mine I like to use and I am allowed to use as many times as I wish to do so.

For those Anti Trumpers who charge me all the time for not defending my posts with counter arguments this post proves them wrong.

by **Necroghastia** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:11 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:I rest my case and points again, Back to First Base. 2 Favorite expressions of mine I like to use and I am allowed to use as many times as I wish to do so.

Except to actually rest your case, you'd need to stop posting.

by **Professor Irwin Corey** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:12 pm

Valrifell wrote:I'd have a more fun and more interesting conversation with a wall. I daresay I have, in fact.

Yes indeed as have I, and here's why... a wall is as thick as the several number of bricks.

by **Greater Miami Shores** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:17 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I rest my case and points again, Back to First Base. 2 Favorite expressions of mine I like to use and I am allowed to use as many times as I wish to do so.

Except to actually rest your case, you'd need to stop posting.

lol as said it is an expression, what I mean is I have proven my case and points. But I am not surprised leftists, Democrats and anti Trumpers don't agree with me, with us Republicans and Pro Trumpers. I am under no illusions we can change their minds on Trumps guilt with all the comments, videos and evidence we present from the house impeachment inquiry. thanks for your post.

by **Heloin** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:18 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Except to actually rest your case, you'd need to stop posting.

lol as said it is an expression, what I mean is I have proven my case and points. But I am not surprised leftists, Democrats and anti Trumpers don't agree with me, with us Republicans and Pro Trumpers. I am under no illusions we can change their minds on Trumps guilt with all the comments, videos and evidence we present from the house impeachment inquiry. thanks for your post.

You can't change people's mind on the guilt because all the evidence currently points towards guilt.

by **Necroghastia** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:20 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Except to actually rest your case, you'd need to stop posting.

lol as said it is an expression, what I mean is I have proven my case and points.

It's an expression that already has a meaning. Why don't you just say what you mean instead of making a false claim that you are going to stop arguing your point?
Also:

Necroghastia wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I saw and heard President Trump's interview with Fox News and Friends, we Republicans and Trump supporters, saw and heard President Trump's interview with Fox News and Friends. We agree President Trump did not say their was a quid pro quo, did not admit to any guilt. Ask the same questions to other Republicans and Pro Trumpers. The statements above are not an admission of guilt.

He asked for an investigation into Crowdstrike and said that he felt that the US should not give aid unless that happened. What else would you call that?

by **Greater Miami Shores** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:23 pm

Valrifell wrote:I'd have a more fun and more interesting conversation with a wall. I daresay I have, in fact.

I gather for obvious reasons your post above is in reference to me. We disagree on President Trump and the impeachment evidence in the House committee. Republicans and Pro Trumpers disagree on President Trump and the impeachment evidence with you and your friends. Please tell this to all Trump supporters not just me. If this post is not in reference to me, I apologize to you and the Professor, thanks for your posts.

Posted by the Professor:
Yes indeed as have I, and here's why... a wall is as thick as the several number of bricks.
viewtopic.php?p=36468794#p36468794

by **Heloin** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:26 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:lol as said it is an expression, what I mean is I have proven my case and points.

It's an expression that already has a meaning. Why don't you just say what you mean instead of making a false claim that you are going to stop arguing your point?

by **Greater Miami Shores** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:34 pm

Heloin wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:lol as said it is an expression, what I mean is I have proven my case and points. But I am not surprised leftists, Democrats and anti Trumpers don't agree with me, with us Republicans and Pro Trumpers. I am under no illusions we can change their minds on Trumps guilt with all the comments, videos and evidence we present from the house impeachment inquiry. thanks for your post.

You can't change people's mind on the guilt because all the evidence currently points towards guilt.

I got news for you Heloin, all the evidence currently points to Trump not being guilty. As we Republicans and Pro Trumpers agree on. while Democrats and anti Trumpers disagree with us on.

Republicans and Pro Trumpers cant change Democrats and anti Trumpers minds on President Trump's guilt as not guilty by the Trumped up charges against him by the Democrats. Trumped up pun intended. with the evidence we present to you from the house impeachment hearings. As Proven by the results of my regional Poll, I am not allowed to link to but can share with you all. It is on my regional Poll and on the nation states Poll Page. So you and the others here can look it up and participate on it. Perhaps I can even link to it under the circumstances in context I have just explained. But I am not going to take a chance on it and link to it just in case, so I don't get in trouble. Always my top priority on nation states.

Funny link you posted as a dig on me, it does not bother me as I keep telling all of you. I have a great sense of humor and a great political sense of humor, I can lol at it too lol:

by **Heloin** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:40 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Heloin wrote:You can't change people's mind on the guilt because all the evidence currently points towards guilt.

I got news for you Heloin, all the evidence currently points to Trump not being guilty. As we Republicans and Pro Trumpers agree on. while Democrats and anti Trumpers disagree with us on.

Republicans and Pro Trumpers cant change Democrats and anti Trumpers minds on President Trump's guilt as not guilty by the Trumped up charges against him by the Democrats. Trumped up pun intended. with the evidence we present to you from the house impeachment hearings. As Proven by the results of my regional Poll, I am not allowed to link to but can share with you all. It is on my regional Poll and on the nation states Poll Page. So you and the others here can look it up and participate on it. Perhaps I can even link to it under the circumstances in context I have just explained. But I am not going to take a chance on it and link to it just in case, so I don't get in trouble. Always my top priority on nation states.

I really don't understand the level of denial you are working on, truly I don't.

by **Vassenor** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:41 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Heloin wrote:You can't change people's mind on the guilt because all the evidence currently points towards guilt.

I got news for you Heloin, all the evidence currently points to Trump not being guilty. As we Republicans and Pro Trumpers agree on. while Democrats and anti Trumpers disagree with us on.

Republicans and Pro Trumpers cant change Democrats and anti Trumpers minds on President Trump's guilt as not guilty by the Trumped up charges against him by the Democrats. Trumped up pun intended. with the evidence we present to you from the house impeachment hearings. As Proven by the results of my regional Poll, I am not allowed to link to but can share with you all. It is on my regional Poll and on the nation states Poll Page. So you and the others here can look it up and participate on it. Perhaps I can even link to it under the circumstances in context I have just explained. But I am not going to take a chance on it and link to it just in case, so I don't get in trouble. Always my top priority on nation states.

So what is the evidence that points towards his innocence?

by **Farnhamia** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:48 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Heloin wrote:You can't change people's mind on the guilt because all the evidence currently points towards guilt.

I got news for you Heloin, all the evidence currently points to Trump not being guilty. As we Republicans and Pro Trumpers agree on. while Democrats and anti Trumpers disagree with us on.

Republicans and Pro Trumpers cant change Democrats and anti Trumpers minds on President Trump's guilt as not guilty by the Trumped up charges against him by the Democrats. Trumped up pun intended. with the evidence we present to you from the house impeachment hearings. As Proven by the results of my regional Poll, I am not allowed to link to but can share with you all. It is on my regional Poll and on the nation states Poll Page. So you and the others here can look it up and participate on it. Perhaps I can even link to it under the circumstances in context I have just explained. But I am not going to take a chance on it and link to it just in case, so I don't get in trouble. Always my top priority on nation states.

Funny link you posted as a dig on me, it does not bother me as I keep telling all of you. I have a great sense of humor and a great political sense of humor, I can lol at it too lol:

What are you afraid of getting in trouble for?

by **Totenborg** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:49 pm

So, how about that Nunes possibly being in on the scam?

by **Gormwood** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:49 pm

If he hasn't offered even a single tangible evidence to refute what's been revealed he sure as fuck isn't going to start any time soon.

by **TRIEADMORE** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:50 pm

Luziyca wrote:Personally, Trump ought to be removed and prosecuted, and based on all the evidence thus far, he should be removed and prosecuted from the Presidency.

The only question is whether the Republicans are willing to stand up in favor of the Constitution, or defend Trump's activities.

I second this opinion. Totally correct. Does the GOP stand for America and the constitution,or do they stand for further political corruption and worship of Trump. He should be impeached,and removed from office as quickly as possible. He is obviously unfit for the Presidency as it is.

Call me a “ Never Trumper”,all you like.I will always oppose the corrupt Republicans and their lies.

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