MAGAThread XVIII: The Authority Is Total

[The Black Forrest]

The entire culture of the US is broken when proveable and citable facts aren't a good enough "counterattack" for your constituents.

“Provable” and “citable facts”

They have cited “i heard” and “i presume” lol

*shrugs* How is that invalid?

[San Lumen]

We should see more polling throughout the week on impeachment so that'll give us an idea on how things are going. But let's assume Democrats decide not to impeach: I think it'll serve as a booster to their base to come out in full swing. Of course, Trump's base will come out in full swing but if Democrats can come out in the right States and nominate the right Candidate, they could pull off a victory. 2020 will likely result in high turnout.

In the meantime, we should continue the review. This week we won't see much due to the holiday week but the following week I think we can see the likes of Parnas, especially with the evidence he claims to have. Bolton is unlikely but if that court rules he can testify, expect him and another to come forward.

The Democrats shouldn't pussy out on impeachment with what's been revealed so far, I mean we expect the Republicans to protect Trump on pure partisanship alone and the last thing we need is the Democrats goatseing for them. Besides which if they vote to impeach that would turn the Scandal Key on Lichtman's prognostication which is nothing to sneeze at.

I thought the scandal key was turned already

[Gormwood]

The entire culture of the US is broken when proveable and citable facts aren't a good enough "counterattack" for your constituents.

“Provable” and “citable facts”

They have cited “i heard” and “i presume” lol

Not even first hand witnesses to Trump's stupidity on phone is good enough for you. And even if one witness managed to violate security protocols and recorded his conversation you'd reject it as evidence by disingenuously pointing out that it's a violation of security protocols.

[San Montalbano]

“Provable” and “citable facts”

They have cited “i heard” and “i presume” lol

Not even first hand witnesses to Trump's stupidity on phone is good enough for you. And even if one witness managed to violate security protocols and recorded his conversation you'd reject it as evidence by disingenuously pointing out that it's a violation of security protocols.

“First hand witness” what do you mean? Speaker phone?

[The Black Forrest]

Not a dem but I say continue the review. Guy is corrupt as a hell.....

We should see more polling throughout the week on impeachment so that'll give us an idea on how things are going. But let's assume Democrats decide not to impeach: I think it'll serve as a booster to their base to come out in full swing. Of course, Trump's base will come out in full swing but if Democrats can come out in the right States and nominate the right Candidate, they could pull off a victory. 2020 will likely result in high turnout.

In the meantime, we should continue the review. This week we won't see much due to the holiday week but the following week I think we can see the likes of Parnas, especially with the evidence he claims to have. Bolton is unlikely but if that court rules he can testify, expect him and another to come forward.

Time will tell with the voter base. If Bernie goes down again, I can see the bros sitting out again.

Bolton? It’s anybodies guess. I can see him being bought off. Supposedly; he has info and hinted he would say something. If he keeps dragging it out.....

[San Lumen]

We should see more polling throughout the week on impeachment so that'll give us an idea on how things are going. But let's assume Democrats decide not to impeach: I think it'll serve as a booster to their base to come out in full swing. Of course, Trump's base will come out in full swing but if Democrats can come out in the right States and nominate the right Candidate, they could pull off a victory. 2020 will likely result in high turnout.

In the meantime, we should continue the review. This week we won't see much due to the holiday week but the following week I think we can see the likes of Parnas, especially with the evidence he claims to have. Bolton is unlikely but if that court rules he can testify, expect him and another to come forward.

Time will tell with the voter base. If Bernie goes down again, I can see the bros sitting out again.

Bolton? It’s anybodies guess. I can see him being bought off. Supposedly; he has info and hinted he would say something. If he keeps dragging it out.....

Why doesn’t he just testify

[The Black Forrest]

*snip*

[Gormwood]

“Provable” and “citable facts”

They have cited “i heard” and “i presume” lol

*shrugs* How is that invalid?

Nothing short of a recording of Trump is good enough. Not even when he later admits to committing the crime on a FOXNews show.

[Zurkerx]

It must be terrible when a President is a criminal but one might not get elected again. The US system is broken.

The entire culture of the US is broken when proveable and citable facts aren't a good enough "counterattack" for your constituents.

It's quite sad, especially with today's technology where one can simply look it up and read it. However, Americans have become increasingly lazy when it comes to politics and getting facts: they rather be spoon fed the information and told to their "perspective" rather than looking it up and coming to their own conclusions; it's quite honestly sad.

We should see more polling throughout the week on impeachment so that'll give us an idea on how things are going. But let's assume Democrats decide not to impeach: I think it'll serve as a booster to their base to come out in full swing. Of course, Trump's base will come out in full swing but if Democrats can come out in the right States and nominate the right Candidate, they could pull off a victory. 2020 will likely result in high turnout.

In the meantime, we should continue the review. This week we won't see much due to the holiday week but the following week I think we can see the likes of Parnas, especially with the evidence he claims to have. Bolton is unlikely but if that court rules he can testify, expect him and another to come forward.

The Democrats shouldn't pussy out on impeachment with what's been revealed so far, I mean we expect the Republicans to protect Trump on pure partisanship alone and the last thing we need is the Democrats goatseing for them. Besides which if they vote to impeach that would turn the Scandal Key on Lichtman's prognostication which is nothing to sneeze at.

They'll impeach him so it'll be up to a few moderate Republicans in the Senate to ensure the process is done correctly.

We should see more polling throughout the week on impeachment so that'll give us an idea on how things are going. But let's assume Democrats decide not to impeach: I think it'll serve as a booster to their base to come out in full swing. Of course, Trump's base will come out in full swing but if Democrats can come out in the right States and nominate the right Candidate, they could pull off a victory. 2020 will likely result in high turnout.

In the meantime, we should continue the review. This week we won't see much due to the holiday week but the following week I think we can see the likes of Parnas, especially with the evidence he claims to have. Bolton is unlikely but if that court rules he can testify, expect him and another to come forward.

Time will tell with the voter base. If Bernie goes down again, I can see the bros sitting out again.

Bolton? It’s anybodies guess. I can see him being bought off. Supposedly; he has info and hinted he would say something. If he keeps dragging it out.....

And they would be fools: they did that the last time and gave the Country to Trump. I honestly can't see them swallowing a second term with him but, they are spiteful and hardcore- just like Trump Supporters.

Bolton is just playing around. He likely has damaging information but isn't fond of throwing Trump under the bus unless he's guaranteed something- something that will make him not testify.

[San Lumen]

The entire culture of the US is broken when proveable and citable facts aren't a good enough "counterattack" for your constituents.

It's quite sad, especially with today's technology where one can simply look it up and read it. However, Americans have become increasingly lazy when it comes to politics and getting facts: they rather be spoon fed the information and told to their "perspective" rather than looking it up and coming to their own conclusions; it's quite honestly sad.

The Democrats shouldn't pussy out on impeachment with what's been revealed so far, I mean we expect the Republicans to protect Trump on pure partisanship alone and the last thing we need is the Democrats goatseing for them. Besides which if they vote to impeach that would turn the Scandal Key on Lichtman's prognostication which is nothing to sneeze at.

They'll impeach him so it'll be up to a few moderate Republicans in the Senate to ensure the process is done correctly.

Time will tell with the voter base. If Bernie goes down again, I can see the bros sitting out again.

Bolton? It’s anybodies guess. I can see him being bought off. Supposedly; he has info and hinted he would say something. If he keeps dragging it out.....

And they would be fools: they did that the last time and gave the Country to Trump. I honestly can't see them swallowing a second term with him but, they are spiteful and hardcore- just like Trump Supporters.

Bolton is just playing around. He likely has damaging information but isn't fond of throwing Trump under the bus unless he's guaranteed something- something that will make him not testify.

I can see Bernie people being that spiteful.

Why doesn’t Bolton just testify? What id he expecting to get?

[Ifreann]

“Provable” and “citable facts”

They have cited “i heard” and “i presume” lol

*shrugs* How is that invalid?

It's invalid because it makes Trump look bad and we have to believe that everything that makes Trump look bad is invalid, otherwise this might be a legitimate inquiry into the crime president's many obvious crimes, and if we start believing that then we may as well chug a bottle of Stoli and mangle the anthem of the Soviet Union, comrade.

[Zurkerx]

It's quite sad, especially with today's technology where one can simply look it up and read it. However, Americans have become increasingly lazy when it comes to politics and getting facts: they rather be spoon fed the information and told to their "perspective" rather than looking it up and coming to their own conclusions; it's quite honestly sad.



They'll impeach him so it'll be up to a few moderate Republicans in the Senate to ensure the process is done correctly.



And they would be fools: they did that the last time and gave the Country to Trump. I honestly can't see them swallowing a second term with him but, they are spiteful and hardcore- just like Trump Supporters.

Bolton is just playing around. He likely has damaging information but isn't fond of throwing Trump under the bus unless he's guaranteed something- something that will make him not testify.

I can see Bernie people being that spiteful.

Why doesn’t Bolton just testify? What id he expecting to get?

Because Bolton got nothing to lose. He'll tease about it, knowing he'll drive both sides nuts until he's written off as irrelevant or testifies. He likes to play games after all. The testimony I would like to see though is Parnas: he should have emails and texts that'll hurt the likes of Nunes, Giuliani, and Trump, more particularly Nunes and Giuliani. Giuliani will be the scapegoat and most likely will be going to prison; there are investigations into him right now.

But I'm sure if the Bernie's people sit out, he will chastise them, and bigly too, which he should if he doesn't get the nomination and should endorsed the presumptive nominee right away.

[San Lumen]

I can see Bernie people being that spiteful.

Why doesn’t Bolton just testify? What id he expecting to get?

Because Bolton got nothing to lose. He'll tease about it, knowing he'll drive both sides nuts until he's written off as irrelevant or testifies. He likes to play games after all. The testimony I would like to see though is Parnas: he should have emails and texts that'll hurt the likes of Nunes, Giuliani, and Trump, more particularly Nunes and Giuliani. Giuliani will be the scapegoat and most likely will be going to prison; there are investigations into him right now.

But I'm sure if the Bernie's people sit out, he will chastise them, and bigly too, which he should if he doesn't get the nomination and should endorsed the presumptive nominee right away.

Parnas absolutely should testify

[Zurkerx]

Because Bolton got nothing to lose. He'll tease about it, knowing he'll drive both sides nuts until he's written off as irrelevant or testifies. He likes to play games after all. The testimony I would like to see though is Parnas: he should have emails and texts that'll hurt the likes of Nunes, Giuliani, and Trump, more particularly Nunes and Giuliani. Giuliani will be the scapegoat and most likely will be going to prison; there are investigations into him right now.

But I'm sure if the Bernie's people sit out, he will chastise them, and bigly too, which he should if he doesn't get the nomination and should endorsed the presumptive nominee right away.

Parnas absolutely should testify

He must likely will I believe. And he has: The House Intelligence Committee is in possession of video, audio recordings and pictures from Giuliani associate Lev Parnas. There is some material held up in the Southern District. So far, Fruman has not complied though I suspect Parnas is trying to get him to compile.

[Greater Miami Shores]

*shrugs* How is that invalid?

Nothing short of a recording of Trump is good enough. Not even when he later admits to committing the crime on a FOXNews show.

Lets get this clear once and for all, we, I mean many of us saw and heard President Trump's interview on Fox News and Friends. President Trump never said their was a quid pro quo, on the contrary. President Trump never admitted to any guilty.

[San Montalbano]

Parnas absolutely should testify

He must likely will I believe. And he has: The House Intelligence Committee is in possession of video, audio recordings and pictures from Giuliani associate Lev Parnas. There is some material held up in the Southern District. So far, Fruman has not complied though I suspect Parnas is trying to get him to compile.

I dont trust a news company that shields pedophiles and fires their own employees.

[Valrifell]

He must likely will I believe. And he has: The House Intelligence Committee is in possession of video, audio recordings and pictures from Giuliani associate Lev Parnas. There is some material held up in the Southern District. So far, Fruman has not complied though I suspect Parnas is trying to get him to compile.

I dont trust a news company that shields pedophiles and fires their own employees.

You're funny.

Where others would admit to mistakes and change to fit the facts, you attack the messenger. Which tells me you know your position is unsustainable but cling so desperately to it. How sad.

[Gormwood]

I dont trust a news company that shields pedophiles and fires their own employees.

You're funny.

Where others would admit to mistakes and change to fit the facts, you attack the messenger. Which tells me you know your position is unsustainable but cling so desperately to it. How sad.

It's not even Poisoning the Well as much as taking a piss in it.

[Zurkerx]

He must likely will I believe. And he has: The House Intelligence Committee is in possession of video, audio recordings and pictures from Giuliani associate Lev Parnas. There is some material held up in the Southern District. So far, Fruman has not complied though I suspect Parnas is trying to get him to compile.

I dont trust a news company that shields pedophiles and fires their own employees.

So, how about this source, that says the same thing:

https://thehill.com/policy/national-sec ... m-giuliani

So your attempted attack on the source is unsustainable. ABC is reliable despite the scandal that embroils them, it's from their news division anyway. If it was an opinion piece, you would have a point, but that's not the case.

[Telconi]

You're funny.

Where others would admit to mistakes and change to fit the facts, you attack the messenger. Which tells me you know your position is unsustainable but cling so desperately to it. How sad.

It's not even Poisoning the Well as much as taking a piss in it.

Truth is, the well was poison from the start.

[The Black Forrest]

Nothing short of a recording of Trump is good enough. Not even when he later admits to committing the crime on a FOXNews show.

Lets get this clear once and for all, we, I mean many of us saw and heard President Trump's interview on Fox News and Friends. President Trump never said their was a quid pro quo, on the contrary. President Trump never admitted to any guilty.

of course. He is under investigation. He won’t admit guilt or if he demanded quid pro quo. The problem? He lies.

[The Black Forrest]

He must likely will I believe. And he has: The House Intelligence Committee is in possession of video, audio recordings and pictures from Giuliani associate Lev Parnas. There is some material held up in the Southern District. So far, Fruman has not complied though I suspect Parnas is trying to get him to compile.

I dont trust a news company that shields pedophiles and fires their own employees.

Ok. I am bored and can use a laugh.

What News company is trustable?

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

These people hold no true positions. Only care about holding power.


I almost feel sorry. They are essentially trapped to sink on the HMS partisan.

I have to assume that they are good people. At least I hope somewhere within them .. https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/ ... 1554775040

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

I dont trust a news company that shields pedophiles and fires their own employees.

Ok. I am bored and can use a laugh.

What News company is trustable?

No news company. But the closets to 100% are ones that have a tradition of integrity in the face of power. Like the washing post.

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

These people hold no true positions. Only care about holding power.


I almost feel sorry. They are essentially trapped to sink on the HMS partisan.

I have to assume that they are good people. At least I hope somewhere within them .. https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/ ... 1554775040

I often try to imagine how they would change their tune if we went to war or got in a nuclear fight..

Are they just playing political games, or Zealots?

Do they care for the country or their own power...