MAGAThread XVIII: The Authority Is Total

[Vassenor]

Trump openly admitted on live TV to doing the thing he's accused of in the impeachment inquiry

[Greater Miami Shores]

President Trump says he will be interviewed today Friday November 22 at 8:00 AM on Fox and Friends. I am sure he will talk about the (Partisan) Democrats impeachment process. I have not seen President Trump's interview yet, but I will and I will post about it in the near future as it relates to the Democrats impeachment process against him.

This morning I created a Public Poll on my region of G M S - so far 2 Pro Trumpers and 5 Anti Trumpers have voted on it. the question is basically have you changed your family - friends and fellow nation staters minds on Trumps innocence or guilt. with the evidence you have presented to them from the House inquiry which they have seen and we have seen, which we all have seen. I cant post a link to it. But I can share it with you like I just have.

I cant post a link to it but I can tell you about it as I just have.

2 - votes - 28.57 %
5 - votes - 71.43 %
7 - votes total so far.

All Percents % slightly adjusted.

It is no secret that conservative Republicans Right Wingers supporters of President Trump are a minority on this thread and on nation states. It is no secret that liberal Democrat leftists and anti Trumpers are a majority on this thread and on nation states. so the polls on this thread and on my regional polls are similar and reflect nation states minority and majority of nations.

As I am an Accountant by Profession, I love math and statistics, so I love doing this kind of stuff.

President Trump - Twitter.
I will be interviewed on
@foxandfriends
this morning at 8:00 A.M. I know that there’s not much to talk about, but we will try to keep the conversation going. Enjoy!
@SteveDoocy

@ainsleyearhardt

@kilmeade
7:13 AM · Nov 22, 2019·Twitter for iPhone
https://publish.twitter.com/?query=http ... dget=Tweet

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Trump openly admitted on live TV to doing the thing he's accused of in the impeachment inquiry

The left cerebral hemisphere doth not knowest what the right is doing.

[Fartsniffage]

Trump openly admitted on live TV to doing the thing he's accused of in the impeachment inquiry

Hahahahahahaha. What a fucking tool.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

my region of G M S

This may surprise you but people does not give a damn about what you do in your free time. At the most they would be annoyed at your constant attempts of threadjacking with irrelevancy.

[Zurkerx]

Trump openly admitted on live TV to doing the thing he's accused of in the impeachment inquiry

Hahahahahahaha. What a fucking tool.

So, he's openly admitting to it, knowing full-well Republicans aren't going to impeach him. So, he's fearless and feels empowered. Umm, Will Hurd, I hope you're listening to this because it's fucking clear that there's no "unambiguous" now.

[Asle Leopolka]

Hahahahahahaha. What a fucking tool.

So, he's openly admitting to it, knowing full-well Republicans aren't going to impeach him. So, he's fearless and feels empowered. Umm, Will Hurd, I hope you're listening to this because it's fucking clear that there's no "unambiguous" now.

Now the question becomes "will they openly defend him after he admitted to committing an impeachable offense?"

[Makdon]

Trump openly admitted on live TV to doing the thing he's accused of in the impeachment inquiry

I'm excited to see people defend him, saying that "he didn't really mean it" or that "actually that's not what they investigation is about"

[Deamonopolis]

'Schiff' means ship in German, fyi.

This is all I contribute to the impeachtment procedures.

[Gormwood]

Trump openly admitted on live TV to doing the thing he's accused of in the impeachment inquiry

I'm excited to see people defend him, saying that "he didn't really mean it" or that "actually that's not what they investigation is about"

He's so fucking cocky that the Republican Party will bend over for him I will not be shocked if he starts admitting to other things.

[Ifreann]

Trump openly admitted on live TV to doing the thing he's accused of in the impeachment inquiry

He's not even good at crimes, fucking hell.

[Zurkerx]

So, he's openly admitting to it, knowing full-well Republicans aren't going to impeach him. So, he's fearless and feels empowered. Umm, Will Hurd, I hope you're listening to this because it's fucking clear that there's no "unambiguous" now.

Now the question becomes "will they openly defend him after he admitted to committing an impeachable offense?"

Easy: Yes. I mean, he basically admitted several weeks ago that the Ukraine and China should open up investigations into the Bidens and Republicans didn't bat an eye so I wouldn't be surprised if they do.

[Zurkerx]

Republican defenses hold as Trump impeachment hits the halfway point.

So, there's a lot here so I spoiled it to save space. I think this is the fairest analysis we can get on the whole impeachment thing so, sit back and read and respond if your hearts desire:

Essentially, despite the overwhelming evidence and testimony, Republicans (and their voters) remain in line due to one thing: none of them have been able to shed much direct light on Trump’s intent, no direct order from Trump about a quid pro quo, and because of that ambiguity, Republicans therefore cannot "impeach". To Republicans, there are two arguments they make, which somewhat contradict themselves:

1. The Call was "Perfect", aka, the Nunes and Jordans and die-hards. They say that because some "Ukrainians" who are corrupt were out to get Trump and protect the Bidens, Trump had every right to ask Zelensky to look into corruption in his own country and more specifically, the Bidens.

Obviously this argument has been shot down and to be blunt, complete bullshit. It's quite clear based on what has been heard and testified that Trump's call wasn't perfect. Rather, it seems to be an attempt to solicit a foreign government into getting involved in Domestic Politics, or as Hill put it: a "domestic political errand". But this then leads us to point two, and one that has a bit of meat on it's bones:

2. Trump's actions were inappropriate but nothing warrants impeachment, aka, the other Republicans like Rep. Hurd. They say that despite the President's actions being inappropriate, they say his intent is "unclear" and the Ukrainians in the end, never did open an investigation of Biden, so there’s just not enough there to justify removing a president from office. To them, it must be compelling, overwhelmingly clear and unambiguous.

They do have a point to an extent: the witnesses so far haven't been able to fully establish Trump's direct intent and because the Ukraine never started these investigations, the point is mute. However, almost like Point One, this argument has holes riddled in it. First off, their complaint that there's a lack of direct witness testimony is due to the fact that the White House, State Department, and other witnesses have refused to cooperate, which should stroke suspicion since there's more going on that meets the eye.

Second, Sondland and other witnesses have said there was a "Quid Quo Pro", and not the good kind either. There's a lot but I'll wrap it up.

Third, several witnesses have said that Trump told them to "work with Giuliani — talk to Giuliani", whom is essentially Trump's Middleman and therefore, Trump's direction to demand "investigations" is still direct, just now under the appearance of an indirect way. This destroys the point that Trump "didn't directly ordered" others, he just found someone else in hopes he can be spared if caught.

And now with wim admitting (credit goes to Vassenor for posting this a bit ago) to it, there argument has almost no legs to stand on.

The Democrats have made this connection regarding the term "Bribery": The president was offering an official act — the promised White House meeting as well as the security assistance — in return for Ukraine giving him something politically valuable. They also say it doesn't matter if the security assistance was lifted and no investigations came from it: they only did so two days after Congress started to look into the complaint.

And the Democrat's point is what I side with.

[San Lumen]

Republican defenses hold as Trump impeachment hits the halfway point.

So, there's a lot here so I spoiled it to save space. I think this is the fairest analysis we can get on the whole impeachment thing so, sit back and read and respond if your hearts desire:

Essentially, despite the overwhelming evidence and testimony, Republicans (and their voters) remain in line due to one thing: none of them have been able to shed much direct light on Trump’s intent, no direct order from Trump about a quid pro quo, and because of that ambiguity, Republicans therefore cannot "impeach". To Republicans, there are two arguments they make, which somewhat contradict themselves:

1. The Call was "Perfect", aka, the Nunes and Jordans and die-hards. They say that because some "Ukrainians" who are corrupt were out to get Trump and protect the Bidens, Trump had every right to ask Zelensky to look into corruption in his own country and more specifically, the Bidens.

Obviously this argument has been shot down and to be blunt, complete bullshit. It's quite clear based on what has been heard and testified that Trump's call wasn't perfect. Rather, it seems to be an attempt to solicit a foreign government into getting involved in Domestic Politics, or as Hill put it: a "domestic political errand". But this then leads us to point two, and one that has a bit of meat on it's bones:

2. Trump's actions were inappropriate but nothing warrants impeachment, aka, the other Republicans like Rep. Hurd. They say that despite the President's actions being inappropriate, they say his intent is "unclear" and the Ukrainians in the end, never did open an investigation of Biden, so there’s just not enough there to justify removing a president from office. To them, it must be compelling, overwhelmingly clear and unambiguous.

They do have a point to an extent: the witnesses so far haven't been able to fully establish Trump's direct intent and because the Ukraine never started these investigations, the point is mute. However, almost like Point One, this argument has holes riddled in it. First off, their complaint that there's a lack of direct witness testimony is due to the fact that the White House, State Department, and other witnesses have refused to cooperate, which should stroke suspicion since there's more going on that meets the eye.

Second, Sondland and other witnesses have said there was a "Quid Quo Pro", and not the good kind either. There's a lot but I'll wrap it up.

Third, several witnesses have said that Trump told them to "work with Giuliani — talk to Giuliani", whom is essentially Trump's Middleman and therefore, Trump's direction to demand "investigations" is still direct, just now under the appearance of an indirect way. This destroys the point that Trump "didn't directly ordered" others, he just found someone else in hopes he can be spared if caught.

And now with wim admitting (credit goes to Vassenor for posting this a bit ago) to it, there argument has almost no legs to stand on.

The Democrats have made this connection regarding the term "Bribery": The president was offering an official act — the promised White House meeting as well as the security assistance — in return for Ukraine giving him something politically valuable. They also say it doesn't matter if the security assistance was lifted and no investigations came from it: they only did so two days after Congress started to look into the complaint.

And the Democrat's point is what I side with.

Trump could openly admit he did what he’s accused of and republicans would continue to stick their heads in the sand. The fact that they didn’t turn on him when called for investigations by Ukraine and China into the Biden’s says it all. They’d rather espouse debunked conspiracy theories then risk a primary challenge for standing up to Trump

[Gormwood]

So basically the Republicans are swallowing Donnie's mafia tactics like a White House intern.

[San Lumen]

So basically the Republicans are swallowing Donnie's mafia tactics like a White House intern.

I don’t know how republican congressional staff members can keep doing their jobs on good conscience. I wish they’d all quit or do little to no work

[Nakena]

So basically the Republicans are swallowing Donnie's mafia tactics like a White House intern.

I missed your fanfic.

[Asle Leopolka]

So basically the Republicans are swallowing Donnie's mafia tactics like a White House intern.

I don’t know how republican congressional staff members can keep doing their jobs on good conscience. I wish they’d all quit or do little to no work

What conscience?

[Greater Miami Shores]

I'm excited to see people defend him, saying that "he didn't really mean it" or that "actually that's not what they investigation is about"

He's so fucking cocky that the Republican Party will bend over for him I will not be shocked if he starts admitting to other things.

Gormwood, I knew about President Trump's interview today on Fox and Friends. I Posted about it on this trump impeachment thread. President Trump did not even say one word of guilt. As you and your Liberal Democrat leftist friends and anti Trumpers seem to be celebrating or believing on this thread.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/61075434400 ... show-clips

[San Lumen]

He's so fucking cocky that the Republican Party will bend over for him I will not be shocked if he starts admitting to other things.

Gormwood, I knew about President Trump's interview today on Fox and Friends. I Posted about it on this trump impeachment thread. President Trump did not even say one word of guilt. As you and your Liberal Democrat leftist friends and anti Trumpers seem to be celebrating or believing on this thread.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/61075434400 ... show-clips

Stop using nation names if you quote them. It’s unnecessary.

This shtick is getting very old. It’s apparent you have no argument or evidence and would rather just parrot anything Trump or Fox News said.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Gormwood, I knew about President Trump's interview today on Fox and Friends. I Posted about it on this trump impeachment thread. President Trump did not even say one word of guilt. As you and your Liberal Democrat leftist friends and anti Trumpers seem to be celebrating or believing on this thread.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/61075434400 ... show-clips

Stop using nation names if you quote them. It’s unnecessary.

This shtick is getting very old. It’s apparent you have no argument or evidence and would rather just parrot anything Trump or Fox News said.

My argument and evidence in this particular case is my post above. President Trump did not even say one world of guilt on his interview on Fox and Friends as many Anti Trumpers are saying or implying he did. This is my argument and evidence on this particular post backed up and proven by President Trumps's interview on Fox and Friends.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/61075434400 ... show-clips

Thank you for your post.

[Zurkerx]

Bolton accuses the White House of freezing and suppressing his Twitter Account out of concern about what he might say.

Yeah, I'm convinced Bolton knows a lot. Too bad he won't testify until a court rules he can. By the way, this contradicts what Trump said when he was on Fox and Friends when asked did the White House freeze Bolton's Account as, I quote, "No, of course not".

Edit: A Fox-y Article too for anyone that doubts.

[San Lumen]

Stop using nation names if you quote them. It’s unnecessary.

This shtick is getting very old. It’s apparent you have no argument or evidence and would rather just parrot anything Trump or Fox News said.

My argument and evidence in this particular case is my post above. President Trump did not even say one world of guilt on his interview on Fox and Friends as many Anti Trumpers are saying or implying he did. This is my argument and evidence on this particular post backed up and proven by President Trumps's interview on Fox and Friends.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/61075434400 ... show-clips

Thank you for your post.

It’s not an argument. It’s just regurgitating what Trump said.

[Gormwood]

Charges of Ukrainian Meddling? A Russian Operation, U.S. Intelligence Says

Cries of "DEEPSTATE" in 3... 2... 1...

[The Black Forrest]

Stop using nation names if you quote them. It’s unnecessary.

This shtick is getting very old. It’s apparent you have no argument or evidence and would rather just parrot anything Trump or Fox News said.

My argument and evidence in this particular case is my post above. President Trump did not even say one world of guilt on his interview on Fox and Friends as many Anti Trumpers are saying or implying he did. This is my argument and evidence on this particular post backed up and proven by President Trumps's interview on Fox and Friends.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/61075434400 ... show-clips

Thank you for your post.

You are playing word games.

Trump will NEVER say he is guilty of anything!

Multiple times he said he didn’t hold up military aid and now he is on tape saying yes he did.