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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:28 pm

Rainbowsix wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Since when were all beliefs created equal? People, sure, but political ideologies?

how about this idea? all people are created equal so treat them like they are a person regardless of anything... just a thought of what real equality is...


Good idea. Please teach that to Donnie.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:30 pm

Rainbowsix wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Since when were all beliefs created equal? People, sure, but political ideologies?

how about this idea? all people are created equal so treat them like they are a person regardless of anything... just a thought of what real equality is...


People aren't created equal, and you treat people with courtesy and respect because it is advantageous to do so (i.e. it makes you feel good, you expect to be treated that way in return, it makes you look good in front of others, etc.).

Real equality doesn't exist among imperfect beings.
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Postby Rainbowsix » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:31 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Rainbowsix wrote:how about this idea? all people are created equal so treat them like they are a person regardless of anything... just a thought of what real equality is...


People aren't created equal, and you treat people with courtesy and respect because it is advantageous to do so (i.e. it makes you feel good, you expect to be treated that way in return, it makes you look good in front of others, etc.).

Real equality doesn't exist among imperfect beings.

so you treat people the same for your gain and not theirs?
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:34 pm

Rainbowsix wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
People aren't created equal, and you treat people with courtesy and respect because it is advantageous to do so (i.e. it makes you feel good, you expect to be treated that way in return, it makes you look good in front of others, etc.).

Real equality doesn't exist among imperfect beings.

so you treat people the same for your gain and not theirs?


Yes. Treating people with respect and courtesy 1) makes me feel good inside and 2) helps ensure I'll be treated the same in return. Both of those are gains for me.
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Postby Rainbowsix » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:37 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Rainbowsix wrote:so you treat people the same for your gain and not theirs?


Yes. Treating people with respect and courtesy 1) makes me feel good inside and 2) helps ensure I'll be treated the same in return. Both of those are gains for me.

nothing says they have to treat you the same way... but you should do something that helps you and them you know?
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:41 pm

Rainbowsix wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Yes. Treating people with respect and courtesy 1) makes me feel good inside and 2) helps ensure I'll be treated the same in return. Both of those are gains for me.

nothing says they have to treat you the same way... but you should do something that helps you and them you know?


Well, the thing is with respect and courtesy is that we as a society have generally agreed that they are good things, and so when people don't act with respect and courtesy, it is frowned upon and people are socially pressured to avoid such behaviors. So by acting without respect and courtesy, people erode this social expectation, thus making more people less likely to follow it, making everyone worse off.

Of course, there is no guarantee that just I'm nice to someone they'll be nice to me, so I am taking a bit of a risk. However, I believe the benefit makes the risk worth it. Furthermore, if someone doesn't treat me nice, I can 1) confront them about it or 2) minimize interaction with them, both of which have their own pros and cons.
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Postby Rainbowsix » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:57 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Rainbowsix wrote:nothing says they have to treat you the same way... but you should do something that helps you and them you know?


Well, the thing is with respect and courtesy is that we as a society have generally agreed that they are good things, and so when people don't act with respect and courtesy, it is frowned upon and people are socially pressured to avoid such behaviors. So by acting without respect and courtesy, people erode this social expectation, thus making more people less likely to follow it, making everyone worse off.

Of course, there is no guarantee that just I'm nice to someone they'll be nice to me, so I am taking a bit of a risk. However, I believe the benefit makes the risk worth it. Furthermore, if someone doesn't treat me nice, I can 1) confront them about it or 2) minimize interaction with them, both of which have their own pros and cons.

so with that explained can u explain why im occasionally being bashed?
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Postby Aureumterra » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:02 pm

Rainbowsix wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:What does this part even mean? :blink:

that whenever a conservative jumps in on a political discussion forum they are just hated on and abused by the leftist party because of their beliefs.. so much for the equality they preach :/

Nah, you’re confusing NSG with r/politics
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Postby Rainbowsix » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:05 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Rainbowsix wrote:that whenever a conservative jumps in on a political discussion forum they are just hated on and abused by the leftist party because of their beliefs.. so much for the equality they preach :/

Nah, you’re confusing NSG with r/politics

it shouldn't matter where you are you should be treated equally...
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Postby Aureumterra » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:05 pm

Rainbowsix wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Nah, you’re confusing NSG with r/politics

it shouldn't matter where you are you should be treated equally...

Are you treated unequally for being a conservative on NSG?
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Postby Rainbowsix » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:06 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Rainbowsix wrote:it shouldn't matter where you are you should be treated equally...

Are you treated unequally for being a conservative on NSG?

yes im getting constantly bashed and hated for my beliefs
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Postby Kowani » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:18 pm

Rainbowsix wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Are you treated unequally for being a conservative on NSG?

yes im getting constantly bashed and hated for my beliefs

No. Your beliefs are getting bashed and hated. If you personally are being bashed and hated, Moderation accepts reports.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:20 pm

Rainbowsix wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Well, the thing is with respect and courtesy is that we as a society have generally agreed that they are good things, and so when people don't act with respect and courtesy, it is frowned upon and people are socially pressured to avoid such behaviors. So by acting without respect and courtesy, people erode this social expectation, thus making more people less likely to follow it, making everyone worse off.

Of course, there is no guarantee that just I'm nice to someone they'll be nice to me, so I am taking a bit of a risk. However, I believe the benefit makes the risk worth it. Furthermore, if someone doesn't treat me nice, I can 1) confront them about it or 2) minimize interaction with them, both of which have their own pros and cons.

so with that explained can u explain why im occasionally being bashed?


Because the social expectations of treating others with respect and courtesy that exists in society at large do not exist on the internet.
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Postby Aureumterra » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:43 pm

Rainbowsix wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Are you treated unequally for being a conservative on NSG?

yes im getting constantly bashed and hated for my beliefs

I wouldn’t call this bashing or hating conservatives, real bashing or hating is when you post anything right of center on most subreddits
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Postby San Montalbano » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:46 pm

Kowani wrote:
Rainbowsix wrote:yes im getting constantly bashed and hated for my beliefs

No. Your beliefs are getting bashed and hated. If you personally are being bashed and hated, Moderation accepts reports.


Thats a cop out

I get bashed even if its rrelavent
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Postby Bizzie » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:03 pm

The whole thing is a attempt to undo a election. the dems have been going after trump even before he was elected . this is sad to watch as it has been going on for over three years . The important things that the american people are waiting to be done in congress are not getting any attention . The american voters should take note and vote these dems out of office .

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Postby Necroghastia » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:07 pm

Bizzie wrote:The whole thing is a attempt to undo a election. the dems have been going after trump even before he was elected . this is sad to watch as it has been going on for over three years . The important things that the american people are waiting to be done in congress are not getting any attention . The american voters should take note and vote these dems out of office .

Important things like what? Investigating a potential crime by a high-ranking official seems important to me, what's important to you?
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:09 pm

Maineiacs wrote:
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Wait, a second AOC- her right wing counterpart? God help me...




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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:16 pm

San Montalbano wrote:
Kowani wrote:No. Your beliefs are getting bashed and hated. If you personally are being bashed and hated, Moderation accepts reports.


Thats a cop out

I get bashed even if its rrelavent

If you are getting flamed, report it in moderation.
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Postby San Montalbano » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:24 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
Thats a cop out

I get bashed even if its rrelavent

If you are getting flamed, report it in moderation.


I have when it can be proven, but its just kind of nuts how often i have too

(And i really dont like doing that)

The issue is that i TRY to be respectful but others get “Triggered” by the word fascist and lose their minds.
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Postby US-SSR » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:39 pm

icymi: Trump campaign Wikipedia cutout Roger Stone guilty on all counts

The best thing about this: he has a tattoo of Richard Nixon on his back so every time he gets donkey punched in jail Nixon will get a sock in the jaw.

Bizzie wrote:The whole thing is a attempt to undo a election. the dems have been going after trump even before he was elected . this is sad to watch as it has been going on for over three years . The important things that the american people are waiting to be done in congress are not getting any attention . The american voters should take note and vote these dems out of office .


The Electoral College already undid the election, remember, for the second time in 18 years. Removing Trump would be restoring the will of the American people as expressed at the ballot box.
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Postby Aureumterra » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:44 pm

US-SSR wrote:icymi: Trump campaign Wikipedia cutout Roger Stone guilty on all counts

The best thing about this: he has a tattoo of Richard Nixon on his back so every time he gets donkey punched in jail Nixon will get a sock in the jaw.

Bizzie wrote:The whole thing is a attempt to undo a election. the dems have been going after trump even before he was elected . this is sad to watch as it has been going on for over three years . The important things that the american people are waiting to be done in congress are not getting any attention . The american voters should take note and vote these dems out of office .


The Electoral College already undid the election, remember, for the second time in 18 years. Removing Trump would be restoring the will of the American people as expressed at the ballot box.

Too bad, he’s president, impeaching will not change that fact for at least the next year
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Postby San Montalbano » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:50 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
US-SSR wrote:icymi: Trump campaign Wikipedia cutout Roger Stone guilty on all counts

The best thing about this: he has a tattoo of Richard Nixon on his back so every time he gets donkey punched in jail Nixon will get a sock in the jaw.



The Electoral College already undid the election, remember, for the second time in 18 years. Removing Trump would be restoring the will of the American people as expressed at the ballot box.

Too bad, he’s president, impeaching will not change that fact for at least the next year


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Postby Ifreann » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:53 pm

US-SSR wrote:icymi: Trump campaign Wikipedia cutout Roger Stone guilty on all counts

The best thing about this: he has a tattoo of Richard Nixon on his back so every time he gets donkey punched in jail Nixon will get a sock in the jaw.

Bizzie wrote:The whole thing is a attempt to undo a election. the dems have been going after trump even before he was elected . this is sad to watch as it has been going on for over three years . The important things that the american people are waiting to be done in congress are not getting any attention . The american voters should take note and vote these dems out of office .


The Electoral College already undid the election, remember, for the second time in 18 years. Removing Trump would be restoring the will of the American people as expressed at the ballot box.

Em, no, the American people wanted Clinton to be their President. Not Pence.
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Postby Preussen-Schlesien » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:53 pm

Bizzie wrote:The whole thing is a attempt to undo a election. the dems have been going after trump even before he was elected . this is sad to watch as it has been going on for over three years . The important things that the american people are waiting to be done in congress are not getting any attention . The american voters should take note and vote these dems out of office .

Wow! I never knew investigating high crimes by an important official was bad! Man, I sure do hate when we don't blindly follow our Jesus-Trump God-appointed leader!

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