Nihilism And Climate Change

[Harnandia]

Screw your edgelord nihilism. Some of us prefer to live in a world where we don't watch millions of people suffer from crop failure and ecological collapse. And I bet if you believed you'd be one of the first to be impacted you wouldn't have such a blase attitude to it all.

At least we now know reading isn't your strong suit.

[Estanglia]

I feel obligated to point out that the vast majority of this post is a series of dubiously rational justifications for ignoring science, and the end of it is a statement that you're not ignoring science.

The climate is changing. The earth is warming. That is a fact. I don't deny that.

I repeat what I've said this whole time. THE EARTH IS NOT FRAGILE. Man cannot halt natural cycles. Assuming every prediction of the collapse cult is correct besides THE WORLD LITERALLY ENDING IN TWELVE YEARS, we won't even come close to the natural heating of the Paleocene Thermal Maximum.

I have a feeling that that is a time of millions of years ago.

Oh look, 55.5 million years. Aka literally millions of years before we came about. Millions of years before the current state of the Earth came about.

Regardless, it's not relevant that the Earth was hotter 55.5 million years ago. So what? We and a lot of current species weren't kicking about 55.5 million years ago.

Snow won't become a once-a-decade thing in Dixie. The North Pole's ice caps won't permanently disappear.

If we warm the planet up enough, it could. Maybe not permanently, but it could.

Nothing man can accelerate or produce, assuming man can even do so, will ever break the earth's cycles.

What cycles?

The earth is solid, permanent, set upon its "foundations" for eternity, or, hypothetically, until the sun gives out in five billion years.

It isn't and it will.

You are building the Tower of Babel. You say that man is all-powerful, that the state is god, and that if we surrender enough of our freedoms, we can somehow make the whole earth do what we want it to do.

Ah yes, because attempting to halt or reverse man-made climate change is totally "Surrendering enough freedoms so we can make the Earth do what we want it to do".

News flash. We cannot. Your quest to enslave me will result in your cult's downfall.

>"Cult"
> "Quest to enslave me"

lol.

[Ayanka]

Even if we are responsible for climate change, the God will always have His W-

*sigh*

[Tekeristan]

Even if we are responsible for climate change, the God will always have His W-

*sigh*

Facts have never mattered and they never will - the whole 'facts not feelings' is a whole load of projection

[Rojava Free State]

I feel obligated to point out that the vast majority of this post is a series of dubiously rational justifications for ignoring science, and the end of it is a statement that you're not ignoring science.

The climate is changing. The earth is warming. That is a fact. I don't deny that.

I repeat what I've said this whole time. THE EARTH IS NOT FRAGILE. Man cannot halt natural cycles. Assuming every prediction of the collapse cult is correct besides THE WORLD LITERALLY ENDING IN TWELVE YEARS, we won't even come close to the natural heating of the Paleocene Thermal Maximum. Snow won't become a once-a-decade thing in Dixie. The North Pole's ice caps won't permanently disappear.

Nothing man can accelerate or produce, assuming man can even do so, will ever break the earth's cycles. Even if we are responsible for climate change, the God will always have His Will in the end. The earth is solid, permanent, set upon its "foundations" for eternity, or, hypothetically, until the sun gives out in five billion years.

You are building the Tower of Babel. You say that man is all-powerful, that the state is god, and that if we surrender enough of our freedoms, we can somehow make the whole earth do what we want it to do.

News flash. We cannot. Your quest to enslave me will result in your cult's downfall.

You're correct that we can't totally destroy the earth
You forgot we can totally destroy our society and possibly ourselves. So we should still be worried

[Purpelia]

I repeat what I've said this whole time. THE EARTH IS NOT FRAGILE. Man cannot halt natural cycles.

Actually we could. And we could do so extremely dramatically as well with no extra advancement on our part if only we wanted to. To give a rather extreme example if all the worlds economy were united for just a year we could produce enough metallic mirrors to shield Earth from the sun entirely and launch them into space. Stupid as suicide by ice age sounds it's possible. Alternatively a nice old atomic war could also do the trick. Or just setting all the worlds forests on fire and watching the world choke to death on endless carbon fumes.

And those are just the extreme examples I list because they are fun and cool.

Assuming every prediction of the collapse cult is correct besides THE WORLD LITERALLY ENDING IN TWELVE YEARS, we won't even come close to the natural heating of the Paleocene Thermal Maximum. Snow won't become a once-a-decade thing in Dixie. The North Pole's ice caps won't permanently disappear.

Thing is, it does not take nearly that much to make life uncomfortable for people. You only need a slight shift in weather patterns to make fertile areas infertile, increase the occurrence of natural disasters and if nothing else just make people uncomfortable.

Nothing man can accelerate or produce, assuming man can even do so, will ever break the earth's cycles. Even if we are responsible for climate change, the God will always have His Will in the end. The earth is solid, permanent, set upon its "foundations" for eternity, or, hypothetically, until the sun gives out in five billion years.

God is made up.

[Major-Tom]

Y'know, I kinda like living on this planet most of the time, and I generally like most people I come to meet. So, with that said, I'd rather not take the edgy approach of "oh, pfft, nothing matters so let it burn." It's just an asinine position grounded in nothing but self-loathing.

[Cekoviu]

I feel obligated to point out that the vast majority of this post is a series of dubiously rational justifications for ignoring science, and the end of it is a statement that you're not ignoring science.

The climate is changing. The earth is warming. That is a fact. I don't deny that.

I repeat what I've said this whole time. THE EARTH IS NOT FRAGILE. Man cannot halt natural cycles. Assuming every prediction of the collapse cult is correct besides THE WORLD LITERALLY ENDING IN TWELVE YEARS, we won't even come close to the natural heating of the Paleocene Thermal Maximum. Snow won't become a once-a-decade thing in Dixie. The North Pole's ice caps won't permanently disappear.

"murderers aren't as evil as genociders so they don't matter"

Nothing man can accelerate or produce, assuming man can even do so, will ever break the earth's cycles. Even if we are responsible for climate change, the God will always have His Will in the end. The earth is solid, permanent, set upon its "foundations" for eternity, or, hypothetically, until the sun gives out in five billion years.

Hoo, there's a lot here. God isn't real, nothing is permanent, and yes, it's absolutely possible to change natural cycles.

You are building the Tower of Babel. You say that man is all-powerful, that the state is god, and that if we surrender enough of our freedoms, we can somehow make the whole earth do what we want it to do.

That is not at all the point of the Tower of Babel. Have you read the Bible?

News flash. We cannot. Your quest to enslave me will result in your cult's downfall.

Jeez, drama queen.

[Cekoviu]

The oceans are warming. Reefs are bleaching

1. Insect biomass can recover if we switch habitat destruction with sustainable exploitation, alongside not clear-cutting the Amazon for a few years of grazing.

Not doing anything about climate change is the exact opposite of sustainability.

2. No amount of oceanic warming that man could accelerate could equal the oceanic temperatures of the Paleocene Thermal Maximum. No amount of oceanic warming can break the oceans or undo their natural cycles and currents.

So?

3. Reeves always repair themselves over time, but if we want to save them now, we can start by farming warm-water coral and "planting" it to breed with cold-water coral.

That isn't going to fix it overnight, whereas climate change is happening overnight.

[Senkaku]

2. No amount of oceanic warming that man could accelerate could equal the oceanic temperatures of the Paleocene Thermal Maximum. No amount of oceanic warming can break the oceans or undo their natural cycles and currents.

So?

(This is not actually true, we definitely can undo their currents, for example if we melt enough of Greenland fast enough, which we're on pace to start doing, we could very easily weaken or shut off the Gulf Stream, and using the PETM as a benchmark for "it can't get that bad that fast" is bad, because during the PETM equatorial waters were nearly 100 degrees and the poles experienced subtropical conditions... so shit was pretty fucking intense)

3. Reeves always repair themselves over time, but if we want to save them now, we can start by farming warm-water coral and "planting" it to breed with cold-water coral.

That isn't going to fix it overnight, whereas climate change is happening overnight.

Additionally, large-scale reef reconstruction and breeding of more resilient coral species is like... a pretty involved process that would require the state to probably give a lot of money and resources, almost like something that might be part of a... Green New Deal.

Furthermore, without such larger-scale efforts assisted by the state, given the current pace of mass bleaching and death events and the increasing ocean temperatures, the Great Barrier Reef is very unlikely to just do most of the work for us in repairing itself. At the current pace and with current efforts at coral planting, it will probably be completely destroyed, along with most reefs around the globe.

Nothing man can accelerate or produce, assuming man can even do so, will ever break the earth's cycles. Even if we are responsible for climate change, the God will always have His Will in the end. The earth is solid, permanent, set upon its "foundations" for eternity, or, hypothetically, until the sun gives out in five billion years.

Okay, so you don't believe in climate science.

You don't get to pick some parts and not the others.

[Samadhi]

I have no idea what nihilism is, but the idea that climate change is going to kill off humanity is false.

We have the technology to create self contained environmental. We can factory grow food and purify water. Ssr/smr power is modular, safe, cheap and scaleable.

It's just going to be those who can't afford it that die.

We need to destroy government and let the free market drive down costs to save as many people as we can.

[Nogodia]

I feel obligated to point out that the vast majority of this post is a series of dubiously rational justifications for ignoring science, and the end of it is a statement that you're not ignoring science.

The climate is changing. The earth is warming. That is a fact. I don't deny that.

I repeat what I've said this whole time. THE EARTH IS NOT FRAGILE. Man cannot halt natural cycles. Assuming every prediction of the collapse cult is correct besides THE WORLD LITERALLY ENDING IN TWELVE YEARS, we won't even come close to the natural heating of the Paleocene Thermal Maximum. Snow won't become a once-a-decade thing in Dixie. The North Pole's ice caps won't permanently disappear.

Nothing man can accelerate or produce, assuming man can even do so, will ever break the earth's cycles. Even if we are responsible for climate change, the God will always have His Will in the end. The earth is solid, permanent, set upon its "foundations" for eternity, or, hypothetically, until the sun gives out in five billion years.

You are building the Tower of Babel. You say that man is all-powerful, that the state is god, and that if we surrender enough of our freedoms, we can somehow make the whole earth do what we want it to do.

News flash. We cannot. Your quest to enslave me will result in your cult's downfall.

The climate is changing, the Earth is warming, that is a fact, and you are right not to deny it.

The Earth is a system built around uncountable numbers of laws of nature, many of which include isolated or fragile ecosystems that rely on careful self-maintenance. Man can indeed halt natural cycles, as evidenced by our ability to drain lakes, divert rivers, cut down entire forests, and introduce new animals to different places. We can, in fact, even wipe out whole populations of animals. We killed the passenger pigeon through hunting, we wiped out the Tasmanian Tiger, and we ripped the Dodo a new one, and none of those animals, or anything like them, have returned to maintain the balance.

No god will have their way, because there is no god exerting their force on this world currently. There is no proof of a god, and that argument is irrelevant. Man can carve through the ground so deep it causes unfathomable changes beneath. Man can turn slivers of metal buried beneath stone into tools and buildings. Man can take a toxic substance, and turn it into sources of energy, material, etc.

You say god is all-powerful, but seeing what we have done, what we have built, all without any proof of a direct intervention of a higher power in assisting us, I speak these words wholeheartedly:

I see not a single god, save what humanity invented, and humanity invents, builds, and kills on its own volition.

[Kowani]

I have no idea what nihilism is, but the idea that climate change is going to kill off humanity is false.

We have the technology to create self contained environmental. We can factory grow food and purify water. Ssr/smr power is modular, safe, cheap and scaleable.

It's just going to be those who can't afford it that die.

We need to destroy government and let the free market drive down costs to save as many people as we can.

Congratulations…you were wrong on almost everything.

[Xmara]

As a rather radical nihilist, who doesn't care for the longevity of our planet nor for its living organisms, I was wondering if anyone else had a similar sentiment in regards to climate change? I don't really care if the human race survives for the next 100 or 1000000 years, as I see no objective meaning in existence. The universe does not value our lives, only we do. Seeing all of this paranoia about climate change simply makes me chuckle, because nothing lasts forever, absolutely nothing. All things come to an end and whether the extinction of the entire human race (or the destruction of the planet) happens in a couple of decades or in a thousand years, is irrelevant to me.

(Also, purely for clarification: I am not in denial of climate change, I am fully aware that it is happening via a combination of human and natural activities.
Also, I do not support suffering, therefore yes, in a way I am hypocritical, because climate change will lead to the suffering of humans and animals and I do believe we should ATTEMPT to fight against it and eliminate it during our lifetimes and for the future generations. With that being said, I don't really 'care' for it, if we fail, my feelings would be indifferent)

Edgy

Anyway, shouldn't we want to make the world a better place for the next generation? Nothing may last forever, but shouldn't we make the best of it while we can?