Nihilism And Climate Change

[Tekeristan]

Because most people do in fact have children, me being a 17 year old I'd rather you know live?

And that is your subjective opinion. I am 20 and I don't care if we all collectively die tomorrow or in the next 100/1000/whatever years. I did clarify in my OP that I think we should combat climate change and at least attempt to solve the issue, if that satisfies you (not that I am looking for your validation or approval). If we fail, I would be indifferent.

Sure nothing last forever but why would you want everything to end so soon when it can end in trillions of years from now?

It does not make a difference whether the planet will be destroyed now or in [insert huge number here] years. Who cares, it does not matter (in my eyes at least).

Ok. That's your opinion, boomer. It's a subjective notion and you've made a whole thread over your take?

[Cekoviu]

Nihilism is edgy bullshit packaged into a philosophy and anyone who unironically believes in it should take a good, hard look at themselves.

What a surprise, someone who doesn't know what nihilism is.

Elaborate.

[Satuga]

Because most people do in fact have children, me being a 17 year old I'd rather you know live?

And that is your subjective opinion. I am 20 and I don't care if we all collectively die tomorrow or in the next 100/1000/whatever years. I did clarify in my OP that I think we should combat climate change and at least attempt to solve the issue, if that satisfies you (not that I am looking for your validation or approval). If we fail, I would be indifferent.

Sure nothing last forever but why would you want everything to end so soon when it can end in trillions of years from now?

It does not make a difference whether the planet will be destroyed now or in [insert huge number here] years. Who cares, it does not matter (in my eyes at least).

Even If there isn't an after life why would that even matter? Now is when we should be focusing, now is when we should be making people(and ourselves) happy, I'm not too optimistic about it either but that doesn't matter cause I'm gonna try and make the most out of what I know I have, and what I know I can give to someone else.

[Satuga]

And that is your subjective opinion. I am 20 and I don't care if we all collectively die tomorrow or in the next 100/1000/whatever years. I did clarify in my OP that I think we should combat climate change and at least attempt to solve the issue, if that satisfies you (not that I am looking for your validation or approval). If we fail, I would be indifferent.

It does not make a difference whether the planet will be destroyed now or in [insert huge number here] years. Who cares, it does not matter (in my eyes at least).

Ok. That's your opinion, boomer. It's a subjective notion and you've made a whole thread over your take?

First of all he's not a boomer, second of all that is an incredibly stupid insult to use in an actual discussion.

[Cekoviu]

Ok. That's your opinion, boomer. It's a subjective notion and you've made a whole thread over your take?

First of all he's not a boomer, second of all that is an incredibly stupid insult to use in an actual discussion.

Imagine being this out of the loop.

[Tekeristan]

Ok. That's your opinion, boomer. It's a subjective notion and you've made a whole thread over your take?

First of all he's not a boomer, second of all that is an incredibly stupid insult to use in an actual discussion.

He's falling into boomer-think and no, it isn't
It's slapping an apathetic careless notion with one in return

[Cappuccina]

While I most definitely wouldn't want humanity to die out, I find it a bit arrogant that people assume that climate change can be "solved". Humanity's activities have a effect on the environment, but the Earth naturally has cyclical warming and cooling events anyways. Even if we were to somehow negate, or nearly negate our carbon emissions, we'd still run into a change in climate from the cycles I previously mentioned, not a thing we can do to stop that.

[Harnandia]

And that is your subjective opinion. I am 20 and I don't care if we all collectively die tomorrow or in the next 100/1000/whatever years. I did clarify in my OP that I think we should combat climate change and at least attempt to solve the issue, if that satisfies you (not that I am looking for your validation or approval). If we fail, I would be indifferent.

It does not make a difference whether the planet will be destroyed now or in [insert huge number here] years. Who cares, it does not matter (in my eyes at least).

Ok. That's your opinion, boomer.

Did you even read my post...?

...It's a subjective notion and you've made a whole thread over your take?

I created this thread simply out of pure curiosity, to see what other think in regards to this. Never have I said that I am universally correct or 'an all knowing being of everything' who states that nihilism is the ultimate truth. In other words, yes. I presented my opinions and have received others in return and our opinions are merely that-our opinions based off of our own biases and morality (which is purely subjective). I cannot technically prove that nihilism is the 'be all end all' of life, all I can do is simply argue against ideas, which seem wrong to me and present my opinions.

[Cekoviu]

While I most definitely wouldn't want humanity to die out, I find it a bit arrogant that people assume that climate change can be "solved". Humanity's activities have a effect on the environment, but the Earth naturally has cyclical warming and cooling events anyways. Even if we were to somehow negate, or nearly negate our carbon emissions, we'd still run into a change in climate from the cycles I previously mentioned, not a thing we can do to stop that.

This is a hot take, but only because it's insulated by methane.

[Harnandia]

First of all he's not a boomer, second of all that is an incredibly stupid insult to use in an actual discussion.

He's falling into boomer-think

Almost as hilarious as your ''Ok, boomer'' sense of humour (or lack thereof).

[Tekeristan]

While I most definitely wouldn't want humanity to die out, I find it a bit arrogant that people assume that climate change can be "solved". Humanity's activities have a effect on the environment, but the Earth naturally has cyclical warming and cooling events anyways. Even if we were to somehow negate, or nearly negate our carbon emissions, we'd still run into a change in climate from the cycles I previously mentioned, not a thing we can do to stop that.

The difference of a few decades is huge and vastly different to that of a few thousand or tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of years. Industrialization has existed for a BLINK of an eye in terms of earthly cycles and human existence and it has radically changed how things work. It's about buying time

[Tekeristan]

He's falling into boomer-think

Almost as hilarious as your ''Ok, boomer'' sense of humour (or lack thereof).

The issue with the argument at hand is that there is no demonstratable way to work things out. All it is going to be is circular arguments with gut feelings with no end to be found. All I can say is "I disagree with you and I think you're entitled and if you truly feel that way, please refrain from voting or joining any revolutionary movements" and that's that

[Cappuccina]

While I most definitely wouldn't want humanity to die out, I find it a bit arrogant that people assume that climate change can be "solved". Humanity's activities have a effect on the environment, but the Earth naturally has cyclical warming and cooling events anyways. Even if we were to somehow negate, or nearly negate our carbon emissions, we'd still run into a change in climate from the cycles I previously mentioned, not a thing we can do to stop that.

The difference of a few decades is huge and vastly different to that of a few thousand or tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of years. Industrialization has existed for a BLINK of an eye in terms of earthly cycles and human existence and it has radically changed how things work. It's about buying time

Assuming we can even do that, is rather optimistic.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Serious question, why are you still alive if life is so pointless to you? Your life will eventually end, and going by your philosophy, that means that it has no value, and therefore ending it changes nothing. Why do you try to stay alive if you think that there's no reason to do so?

Killing myself would be just as pointless as just continuing to live, so I have opted not to do it (not to mention I do not suffer from severe suicidal depression).
I have my own dreams, goals and aspirations. I also do enjoy the things life has to offer. You seem to have a very unnuanced perception of what it means to be a nihilist. A person can be a nihilist, while still have goals and desires to live their life until the end. Nihilism and 'suicidal tendencies' are not mutually exclusive. It is almost as if humans are complex creatures or something...

On the one hand, nothing has value. On the other hand, things such as goals and desires have value to you.
Am I the only one who sees the contradiction here?

[Deacarsia]

I'd argue that using government tyranny to fight climate change will cause more suffering than it could ever alleviate, even if the global warming folks are right, a questionable thing in itself...

I agree.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

I'd argue that using government tyranny to fight climate change will cause more suffering than it could ever alleviate, even if the global warming folks are right, a questionable thing in itself...

Even if they are completely right, there is nothing on the earth or off it, in Heaven or in Hell, by man or nature, that can justify total control of human consumption and a government with infinite power. The band Cheap Trick predicted it nine years ago. I would sooner have climate change raise the oceans by six feet than ever, EVER give up my freedom. Or my soda. OR MY CHEESEBURGER.

This is exactly why I am an anthropogenic climate change skeptic. It's not the science I doubt. There is no doubt the earth is warming and the climate is changing. This is well-established, sound fact. What I doubt is that mankind can stop it and that mankind is primarily responsible for it. The earth is not fragile. Its biosphere is not on the verge of collapse. The ONLY mass extinction that man has caused is through habitat destruction.

Furthermore, it's been vastly hotter than this. Those nasty CO2 expelling dinosaurs can tell you about the Paleocene Thermal Maximum.

The worst possible scenario can easily be fought with sea walls, quay barriers, and whatever technology man cooks up by 2100 AD. I don't consider a possible six foot increase in sea levels in the twenty-second century, as forecast by people literally telling me the world will end in twelve years, live from their private jets, to be a realistic threat, nor do I care.

There is one, and only one, primary reason I doubt AGCC: the solution proposed is the infinite expansion of government to regulate every aspect of human consumption. This includes seizure of the Means of Production, putting caps on the amount of air travel per year, and literally rationing beef. Imagine telling an American to give up his cheeseburger! Worse yet, the Paris Climate Accords will NOT lower global temperatures enough to counter the cycle.

Climate change has a literal, actual collapse cult, complete with Millinerianism doctrine, rituals, and vestments. (I made the album in the link, the second image in it is satire.)

I call it "watermelon socialism". It's green on the outside, red on the inside.

How do you advance an agenda in today's world? You exploit a child, of course!

Greta Thurnberg filed complaints with the UN against several polluting nations for their contributions to AGCC. As of a few months ago, China was not one of the ones receiving. Ergo, her handlers are pushing a fraud.

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[Tekeristan]

The difference of a few decades is huge and vastly different to that of a few thousand or tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of years. Industrialization has existed for a BLINK of an eye in terms of earthly cycles and human existence and it has radically changed how things work. It's about buying time

Assuming we can even do that, is rather optimistic.

It isn't about being optimistic. It's about having a formula that allows you to pursue a useful praxis. There is nothing gained in defeatism - it is a rot

[Tekeristan]

I'd argue that using government tyranny to fight climate change will cause more suffering than it could ever alleviate, even if the global warming folks are right, a questionable thing in itself...

I agree.

Just because I find doing this amusing, I disagree, and think we should seize all industries under a planned economy

[Harnandia]

Killing myself would be just as pointless as just continuing to live, so I have opted not to do it (not to mention I do not suffer from severe suicidal depression).
I have my own dreams, goals and aspirations. I also do enjoy the things life has to offer. You seem to have a very unnuanced perception of what it means to be a nihilist. A person can be a nihilist, while still have goals and desires to live their life until the end. Nihilism and 'suicidal tendencies' are not mutually exclusive. It is almost as if humans are complex creatures or something...

On the one hand, nothing has value. On the other hand, things such as goals and desires have value to you.

Yes, nothing has value. Goals and desires have value to me as an individual for selfish, hedonistic purposes. It is not that ''deep''.

Am I the only one who sees the contradiction here?

We are all hypocritical. I am, you are, anyone reading this. So yeah, we create contradictions, what is your point?

[TURTLESHROOM II]

While I most definitely wouldn't want humanity to die out, I find it a bit arrogant that people assume that climate change can be "solved". Humanity's activities have a effect on the environment, but the Earth naturally has cyclical warming and cooling events anyways. Even if we were to somehow negate, or nearly negate our carbon emissions, we'd still run into a change in climate from the cycles I previously mentioned, not a thing we can do to stop that.

This is a hot take, but only because it's insulated by methane.

Cekoviu is one hundred percent right, though. It wasn't automobiles that gave us the Paleocene Thermal Maximum, which was hotter than every AGCC prediction can envision at this time.

[Deacarsia]

I'd argue that using government tyranny to fight climate change will cause more suffering than it could ever alleviate, even if the global warming folks are right, a questionable thing in itself...

Even if they are completely right, there is nothing on the earth or off it, in Heaven or in Hell, by man or nature, that can justify total control of human consumption and a government with infinite power. The band Cheap Trick predicted it nine years ago. I would sooner have climate change raise the oceans by six feet than ever, EVER give up my freedom. Or my soda. OR MY CHEESEBURGER.

This is exactly why I am an anthropogenic climate change skeptic. It's not the science I doubt. There is no doubt the earth is warming and the climate is changing. This is well-established, sound fact. What I doubt is that mankind can stop it and that mankind is primarily responsible for it. The earth is not fragile. Its biosphere is not on the verge of collapse. The ONLY mass extinction that man has caused is through habitat destruction.

Furthermore, it's been vastly hotter than this. Those nasty CO2 expelling dinosaurs can tell you about the Paleocene Thermal Maximum.

The worst possible scenario can easily be fought with sea walls, quay barriers, and whatever technology man cooks up by 2100 AD. I don't consider a possible six foot increase in sea levels in the twenty-second religion, as forecast by people literally telling me the world will end in twelve years, live from their private jets, to be a realistic threat, nor do I care.

There is one, and only one, primary reason I doubt AGCC: the solution proposed is the infinite expansion of government to regulate every aspect of human consumption. This includes seizure of the Means of Production, putting caps on the amount of air travel per year, and literally rationing beef. Imagine telling an American to give up his cheeseburger! Worse yet, the Paris Climate Accords will NOT lower global temperatures enough to counter the cycle.

Climate change has a literal, actual collapse cult, complete with Millinerianism doctrine, rituals, and vestments. (I made the album in the link, the second image in it is satire.)

I call it "watermelon socialism". It's green on the outside, red on the inside.

How do you advance an agenda in today's world? You exploit a child, of course!

Greta Thurnberg filed complaints with the UN against several polluting nations for their contributions to AGCC. As of a few months ago, China was not one of the ones receiving. Ergo, her handlers are pushing a fraud.

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̷͉̻̤̞̹̺̒ͦ̃ͤ͌ͥ̚ͅÙ̧̈ͩN̗̙̬̞̭̝ͫ̚L͌̾ͬ̊̓ͪ͒͞E͇̪͈͑ͬͦ̉ͭ͛͞S̵͈̫̬̫̺̭̪Şͩ̏ ̗̙̙̪̺̆ͮ̓̃̎́̚ͅY̼̞͊̊̇͊ͪ͠Ǒ̤͔̝̲͔̩̞͡Ủ͉ͭ̏́̐̆̎ ͉̜͔̩D̸̺̞͕̜̼̍R͉͇̝͇͌̏͌̏̃̈̿͢I̢͙̾ͧ͐V̢̳̙̘͓̱̠̩ͥͧE̗͉͔͎̭ͫ͟ ͕̖̼͐͛͝A͎̥̘̞ͅ ̗̦̪̱͕̾̅́͂͂̓̏P͎̳̦̭͗̾͐́R̞̒͠I͒͊ͯ̂ͩͤỰ̳̣̲̙Sͣ̎̎ͦ̍͏̙͖̻͈̼ ͙̳̹̾̎̎̀ͩ͝A̮͖͎̪̒N̳̞̘̬͇̰̼ͪ̃ͫͯD̷̳̻̘̟̩̝ ͕̃͘E̦͂ͫ̅̿̄ͨA̷͉͍͚̺̠̾T̻̫͍̺͇̮̣͆ͣͥ̈̏ ̐̌̀̆L̩̻E̿̑̉͛͆S̬̜͉͙̜̗̩ͬ͌̂͂̅ͦ͊̀Ṣ̘͕̬ͬ̇͛̄̔ ̦̱̺̥̳̾̌̓ͮ̾̌͢M̢̪̻̘̩̅ͥ̋Ë̬̤̺͇̬̰́ͫ͊A̸̳͇̪̙̙ͮ̾͑T͎͍̎̐͛͒̅ͧ
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͈͎̗̠̜͍̿͛B̞͌̃̔͘Y͓̏̎ͦ ̱̮̺͚̲̞͕͑Ṭ̶̘̟̩ͦ͐͂ͅH̥̙̫̳͛͘Ậ͒̏̂̇T̪̞͚͕͓͛ ͈̠ͥ̓̉W̹̝̒ͮͦ͢Ě̖̱ͬͬ͘ ̭̘̗̫̱͔͉͠M̧͇̯͓͎̤̯ͥ͊͋ͅE̵̗̖̭̱̥̙ͪ̋̽̚AN͔͕̘͇͔ͤ̔ͩ̋ ̘̯̣͎̬̱̚W̪̌̃̐ͩͤ͌Ḛ͙̟̹̣̪̘̈̾̀'̄̿͊ͬ̏ͪ̊͢R̮̝̓̀ͮͥͥ͂̍E̳̖ͬ̓́̚ ̸̯͊͂ͪ͂͋G͖͗̓O̦ͭ̾͋̽̓̃͑I̓͐̊͏̤N̳͗͠G̈́̇̄̂̀͊ ̣̤̺̠̗ͭ͐ͯ͞T̛̠͉̼͓̹͗͆̍̽ͭ́O͖̝̮̞͑͡ ̼̯̥̌ͬ̏̚T̞̼͕̋͌̎A̠͙͔̝̱̎̒̍͗ͅX̶̼̭̌͂̌̚ ̜̬͈̜̞̌ͫͣͭA̯N̥̩̠̳̘͗̐͗͝D̝͔̹̲̫̳̞̽̊̽́̒ͩ ̴̹̞͉̭͚̯̩ͯ̃ͣR̸̗̍̈́ͤA̟̰̖͉̓̈ͦ̕T̼͉̻̮̾I̞̤͈ͣͣ̔͛ͮͨ͒O͉͕̹͖̱͕̰͒ͨ͋̌N͓̓̚͡ ̼̤̕M̮̻͂ͨE̝͔̮̲͎͓̦͘Â͊̌ͮ̽̏̔T̡͉͚̞̹̟̝̯
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͎̻̻̘̜͕͊ͬ̿͊̄ͪͣ́I͖͍̹̠̟͒ͮ͜ ̳̟̗͇̪̯́̋ͮM̞E̠̞͓̱̊̌̃̒̋A̭̅̽̃̾̄͞N̟͔̻̍W̪̻̒̽ͪ͛ͦͬH̡͚͓̖͚̘ͮ̾̂̎̎̿Ì̦̼̬L̹̩̩̱͗E̲̪̟ ̰̫̣̰̙̲̖ͫͥͣ̊̇W̫̏̍̈́̈I͗̽ͤ̇̓̀͏̣͎͎̘L̮̫͇̝̫͗Lͬ͆ͥ̑͏̰͎̖̲̮ ͐̂͊ͩ̎͛̒C̟̪̱͕̩̪Ó̲̩͍ͪ̂͐N̗͚̰ͤͧ̿͋͠T̢͈̱͕̲̥̖͈̏͌ͮ͒͋̇̚I̺̺̪̘͓̭̟ͫ̏͂͢Ň̜̫̤̒̒͐́Ụ̘̞̦̩̠̊̈̇͛̽̆E̩̠͔̒̎ͭͤ̏ͫͨ ̡̤͙̲͙̪̯̿̑͂T̳̟̼̣ͣ̉͋̈͠Ó͚̺̪̱̬̥̽̔̿̀̀ ̮͉̩̳͔̤ͧͭ͒̚͘L̾̔ͮ͏̞̣̝͓̬͔E͇͔̳̲͑ͭ̎̿Cͫ̂̓T̗̪̲̦̖͕͓̿U̓ͭ͗̈͌ͮ̇R̥͈̣̪̺̪̋̽̃̔̒̇͡E̜̤̩̞̋̔̈́̇ͣ Ỵ̫͚͊͞O͕̤ͫ͝U̹̤̣̬̞͔̮͑͒ ̢̞̪͇̓͋̓O̝̘͓̻͖̼̺͂ͧ̏̂͌̊̚͠N̗͈̪̠͜ ̭͍̝̳̤̬̬̂͗̓M͉̖̺̥̱ͣ̅̇͋Y͙̻͍̙͓̎ͯ ͇͕͉͈̳̎ͭṔ̙͈͇̻̲͐̒̿̈R̨͍̰̝Ȋ͚̪̪ͧ̓̓̽ͯͮV͚͙͔͚̩̒̂͋͝A̶̟̻̱̣̎̽Ţ̳̄̏̓ͯ̚Eͩ́ͣͨ̌ ͔͕̻̯̼̜͑̆͌͑̑͋J̗͓̜̭̒̃͒͢ͅE̦͍̽̿͐ͬͧ͝T̓̇ͯ̾̾̿͑͏̯

This.

[Cappuccina]

Assuming we can even do that, is rather optimistic.

It isn't about being optimistic. It's about having a formula that allows you to pursue a useful praxis. There is nothing gained in defeatism - it is a rot

It isn't defeatism to realize what one can or cannot realistically accomplish.

[Tekeristan]

Even if they are completely right, there is nothing on the earth or off it, in Heaven or in Hell, by man or nature, that can justify total control of human consumption and a government with infinite power. The band Cheap Trick predicted it nine years ago. I would sooner have climate change raise the oceans by six feet than ever, EVER give up my freedom. Or my soda. OR MY CHEESEBURGER.

This is exactly why I am an anthropogenic climate change skeptic. It's not the science I doubt. There is no doubt the earth is warming and the climate is changing. This is well-established, sound fact. What I doubt is that mankind can stop it and that mankind is primarily responsible for it. The earth is not fragile. Its biosphere is not on the verge of collapse. The ONLY mass extinction that man has caused is through habitat destruction.

Furthermore, it's been vastly hotter than this. Those nasty CO2 expelling dinosaurs can tell you about the Paleocene Thermal Maximum.

The worst possible scenario can easily be fought with sea walls, quay barriers, and whatever technology man cooks up by 2100 AD. I don't consider a possible six foot increase in sea levels in the twenty-second religion, as forecast by people literally telling me the world will end in twelve years, live from their private jets, to be a realistic threat, nor do I care.

There is one, and only one, primary reason I doubt AGCC: the solution proposed is the infinite expansion of government to regulate every aspect of human consumption. This includes seizure of the Means of Production, putting caps on the amount of air travel per year, and literally rationing beef. Imagine telling an American to give up his cheeseburger! Worse yet, the Paris Climate Accords will NOT lower global temperatures enough to counter the cycle.

Climate change has a literal, actual collapse cult, complete with Millinerianism doctrine, rituals, and vestments. (I made the album in the link, the second image in it is satire.)

I call it "watermelon socialism". It's green on the outside, red on the inside.

How do you advance an agenda in today's world? You exploit a child, of course!

Greta Thurnberg filed complaints with the UN against several polluting nations for their contributions to AGCC. As of a few months ago, China was not one of the ones receiving. Ergo, her handlers are pushing a fraud.

S͔̎ͣ̔͌͊ͫO͍͍̘̜̱̔̄̐̇̓̈͝O̦͔̠̣͙̗̞͛N ̴̪̪͚̠͗͒Ţ̱͔͕ͭ̃̈́ͨH̲͇̩̠͎̝̐͊ͮͅE͍̰͍̪̋ ͣ̒́̄̾ͩ̓҉͉̫͎F̱̣L͚͎̜̎̈́̐ͦ̑͋͢O̤̺̖̳̙͕͗ͯ̓ͥͨ̾̀O͈̗̱͇ͨ̊ͅD͟S̢̳ͫͧͣ̍ͩ̈́ ̡͈͚͚̯̅S͕̜͕͔͍͙ͯ̓̍̔͟H͔̜̫̠̣̺͛̚A̘̘̘͔̐̇̽L̼͈̦̪̂̃̍̓ͤͮ́Ḻ̝̙̳̞̱̝͂ͯ̒́ͤ̚ ̴͔͍̅ͫ̓ͦR̟͕̯̠ͧ̈͗͗͒͘I̡͎̩͛ͪͤ̿̈̽̎Ş̱E̬̦̱̺̗ͤ̾̏̑̋͘
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̷̭̗͕̪̺̻M̸̯̪̭̝̗̏̑ͧͅI͂̉ͭͫ͆̐͝L͎̊ͧ̏L͕̰̟̏͛ͤ̄̈I̞͈͖͓ͧ̎ͦͭ̌̅̄Õ̖͕͈̗͈̫ͪ͗Ṉ͙ͮ̌ͤ̉̽S̲̮̼̱̘̜̾̓ ̫ͤ̓ͅW̺ͦ͗ͭ̎Í̧̬̪͉̋̈ͯ͂ͣͅḼ͈͎̩̞͕̝͂̈́̔̎̊͌͗L̙̮͍͕̏̀ ̹̲̝ͬͬͭͤ͗F͖̹̪̦̭͇̣L̴̳̮̰̄E̸̠͚͉̦̥̫̲͐̃ͯ̊̚E̘͙̙͈͚͔ͬ́
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̷͉̻̤̞̹̺̒ͦ̃ͤ͌ͥ̚ͅÙ̧̈ͩN̗̙̬̞̭̝ͫ̚L͌̾ͬ̊̓ͪ͒͞E͇̪͈͑ͬͦ̉ͭ͛͞S̵͈̫̬̫̺̭̪Şͩ̏ ̗̙̙̪̺̆ͮ̓̃̎́̚ͅY̼̞͊̊̇͊ͪ͠Ǒ̤͔̝̲͔̩̞͡Ủ͉ͭ̏́̐̆̎ ͉̜͔̩D̸̺̞͕̜̼̍R͉͇̝͇͌̏͌̏̃̈̿͢I̢͙̾ͧ͐V̢̳̙̘͓̱̠̩ͥͧE̗͉͔͎̭ͫ͟ ͕̖̼͐͛͝A͎̥̘̞ͅ ̗̦̪̱͕̾̅́͂͂̓̏P͎̳̦̭͗̾͐́R̞̒͠I͒͊ͯ̂ͩͤỰ̳̣̲̙Sͣ̎̎ͦ̍͏̙͖̻͈̼ ͙̳̹̾̎̎̀ͩ͝A̮͖͎̪̒N̳̞̘̬͇̰̼ͪ̃ͫͯD̷̳̻̘̟̩̝ ͕̃͘E̦͂ͫ̅̿̄ͨA̷͉͍͚̺̠̾T̻̫͍̺͇̮̣͆ͣͥ̈̏ ̐̌̀̆L̩̻E̿̑̉͛͆S̬̜͉͙̜̗̩ͬ͌̂͂̅ͦ͊̀Ṣ̘͕̬ͬ̇͛̄̔ ̦̱̺̥̳̾̌̓ͮ̾̌͢M̢̪̻̘̩̅ͥ̋Ë̬̤̺͇̬̰́ͫ͊A̸̳͇̪̙̙ͮ̾͑T͎͍̎̐͛͒̅ͧ
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͈͎̗̠̜͍̿͛B̞͌̃̔͘Y͓̏̎ͦ ̱̮̺͚̲̞͕͑Ṭ̶̘̟̩ͦ͐͂ͅH̥̙̫̳͛͘Ậ͒̏̂̇T̪̞͚͕͓͛ ͈̠ͥ̓̉W̹̝̒ͮͦ͢Ě̖̱ͬͬ͘ ̭̘̗̫̱͔͉͠M̧͇̯͓͎̤̯ͥ͊͋ͅE̵̗̖̭̱̥̙ͪ̋̽̚AN͔͕̘͇͔ͤ̔ͩ̋ ̘̯̣͎̬̱̚W̪̌̃̐ͩͤ͌Ḛ͙̟̹̣̪̘̈̾̀'̄̿͊ͬ̏ͪ̊͢R̮̝̓̀ͮͥͥ͂̍E̳̖ͬ̓́̚ ̸̯͊͂ͪ͂͋G͖͗̓O̦ͭ̾͋̽̓̃͑I̓͐̊͏̤N̳͗͠G̈́̇̄̂̀͊ ̣̤̺̠̗ͭ͐ͯ͞T̛̠͉̼͓̹͗͆̍̽ͭ́O͖̝̮̞͑͡ ̼̯̥̌ͬ̏̚T̞̼͕̋͌̎A̠͙͔̝̱̎̒̍͗ͅX̶̼̭̌͂̌̚ ̜̬͈̜̞̌ͫͣͭA̯N̥̩̠̳̘͗̐͗͝D̝͔̹̲̫̳̞̽̊̽́̒ͩ ̴̹̞͉̭͚̯̩ͯ̃ͣR̸̗̍̈́ͤA̟̰̖͉̓̈ͦ̕T̼͉̻̮̾I̞̤͈ͣͣ̔͛ͮͨ͒O͉͕̹͖̱͕̰͒ͨ͋̌N͓̓̚͡ ̼̤̕M̮̻͂ͨE̝͔̮̲͎͓̦͘Â͊̌ͮ̽̏̔T̡͉͚̞̹̟̝̯
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͎̻̻̘̜͕͊ͬ̿͊̄ͪͣ́I͖͍̹̠̟͒ͮ͜ ̳̟̗͇̪̯́̋ͮM̞E̠̞͓̱̊̌̃̒̋A̭̅̽̃̾̄͞N̟͔̻̍W̪̻̒̽ͪ͛ͦͬH̡͚͓̖͚̘ͮ̾̂̎̎̿Ì̦̼̬L̹̩̩̱͗E̲̪̟ ̰̫̣̰̙̲̖ͫͥͣ̊̇W̫̏̍̈́̈I͗̽ͤ̇̓̀͏̣͎͎̘L̮̫͇̝̫͗Lͬ͆ͥ̑͏̰͎̖̲̮ ͐̂͊ͩ̎͛̒C̟̪̱͕̩̪Ó̲̩͍ͪ̂͐N̗͚̰ͤͧ̿͋͠T̢͈̱͕̲̥̖͈̏͌ͮ͒͋̇̚I̺̺̪̘͓̭̟ͫ̏͂͢Ň̜̫̤̒̒͐́Ụ̘̞̦̩̠̊̈̇͛̽̆E̩̠͔̒̎ͭͤ̏ͫͨ ̡̤͙̲͙̪̯̿̑͂T̳̟̼̣ͣ̉͋̈͠Ó͚̺̪̱̬̥̽̔̿̀̀ ̮͉̩̳͔̤ͧͭ͒̚͘L̾̔ͮ͏̞̣̝͓̬͔E͇͔̳̲͑ͭ̎̿Cͫ̂̓T̗̪̲̦̖͕͓̿U̓ͭ͗̈͌ͮ̇R̥͈̣̪̺̪̋̽̃̔̒̇͡E̜̤̩̞̋̔̈́̇ͣ Ỵ̫͚͊͞O͕̤ͫ͝U̹̤̣̬̞͔̮͑͒ ̢̞̪͇̓͋̓O̝̘͓̻͖̼̺͂ͧ̏̂͌̊̚͠N̗͈̪̠͜ ̭͍̝̳̤̬̬̂͗̓M͉̖̺̥̱ͣ̅̇͋Y͙̻͍̙͓̎ͯ ͇͕͉͈̳̎ͭṔ̙͈͇̻̲͐̒̿̈R̨͍̰̝Ȋ͚̪̪ͧ̓̓̽ͯͮV͚͙͔͚̩̒̂͋͝A̶̟̻̱̣̎̽Ţ̳̄̏̓ͯ̚Eͩ́ͣͨ̌ ͔͕̻̯̼̜͑̆͌͑̑͋J̗͓̜̭̒̃͒͢ͅE̦͍̽̿͐ͬͧ͝T̓̇ͯ̾̾̿͑͏̯

This.

You people are cute and fragile.

[Deacarsia]

This.

You people are cute and fragile.

Pardonnez-moi, monsieur?

[Tekeristan]

It isn't about being optimistic. It's about having a formula that allows you to pursue a useful praxis. There is nothing gained in defeatism - it is a rot

It isn't defeatism to realize what one can or cannot realistically accomplish.

Yes. Because you aren't in the position to make those decisions. Even if it was "utterlly unrealistic", the pursuit of solving the problem until our dying breath is still the right thing to do