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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:24 am

If the USA destabilizes, I know my state is going red. Not Republican Red though... i'm talking about the Other Kind.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:26 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:If the USA destabilizes, I know my state is going red. Not Republican Red though... i'm talking about the Other Kind.


Drop the other veil and let us know the state.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:27 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:If the USA destabilizes, I know my state is going red. Not Republican Red though... i'm talking about the Other Kind.


Drop the other veil and let us know the state.

Minnesota don'tcha know. Socialism with Uff Da characteristiscs.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:29 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Drop the other veil and let us know the state.

Minnesota don'tcha know. Socialism with Uff Da characteristiscs.


Heh. Ok. That I can see possible. Know a couple people there.....
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:41 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Minnesota don'tcha know. Socialism with Uff Da characteristiscs.


Heh. Ok. That I can see possible. Know a couple people there.....

A lot of Minnesotans, way I see it at least, are anti-capitalist at heart, although some might not realize it. We also don't tend to align with the politics of other states, even other "flyover states".
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Postby San Montalbano » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:41 am

Saiwania wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:Conservatism is failing to maintain order and it has ALLOWED the rise of things like anti-fa and disorder(by supporting globalist corporatist policys) People demand community and national identity and when you deprive them of this they will seek those who will say “no not one more step back”

People act surprised that other “right-wing” groups are rising in America, don’t be so shocked.


Yes, 1000% this!

I don't love Fascism merely because I want people to be oppressed. Even if this might be the net effect for some. It is simply because Fascism can offer many things neoliberal Democracy can't or fails to. The state having control over the majority of everything in society, would provide the sufficiently nationalist vison and new order I'd find most appealing.

I want and crave a Fourth Reich. Maybe this wouldn't be the case if I believed that democracy was leading the country down a correct path, which it isn't from my perspective.


Fourth reich?

Do not confuse fascism with national socialism, natsoc merley borrowed ideas, but race theory is not the core idea, and its abdhorant.
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“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
Fascism is the modern states national and natural immune response to unchained capitalism and subversive Marxist ideology.

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:43 am

San Montalbano wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Yes, 1000% this!

I don't love Fascism merely because I want people to be oppressed. Even if this might be the net effect for some. It is simply because Fascism can offer many things neoliberal Democracy can't or fails to. The state having control over the majority of everything in society, would provide the sufficiently nationalist vison and new order I'd find most appealing.

I want and crave a Fourth Reich. Maybe this wouldn't be the case if I believed that democracy was leading the country down a correct path, which it isn't from my perspective.


Fourth reich?

Do not confuse fascism with national socialism, natsoc merley borrowed ideas, but race theory is not the core idea, and its abdhorant.

Because clearly regular fascism was so much better and didn't go badly at all. :p
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Postby San Montalbano » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:45 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
Fourth reich?

Do not confuse fascism with national socialism, natsoc merley borrowed ideas, but race theory is not the core idea, and its abdhorant.

Because clearly regular fascism was so much better and didn't go badly at all. :p



Italian fascism committed far less colonialism and genocide than western monarchy or “republics” have(ethiopia aside) and was even PRAISED by winston churchill.

But as they say, history is written by the victors and then it is read by you.
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“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
Fascism is the modern states national and natural immune response to unchained capitalism and subversive Marxist ideology.

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Postby New yugoslavaia » Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:02 am

>Divided America.
I wis-
*Bang* *Bang* *Bang*
FBI, OPEN UP!
OH SH-
(House gets blown up by an entire tank battalion).
Yugoslavia's back baby...

How the hell did this happen?
Well...we don't actually know. Just sort of happened one day.
Is it a reunited Yugoslavia in the 21st century? Is a rebel colony world in the far future? Is it a race of cyborg neo-life at war with any assimilating organisms they come across in the far far future? Who knows, who cares?
New Yugoslavia just is.

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:02 am

San Montalbano wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Because clearly regular fascism was so much better and didn't go badly at all. :p



Italian fascism committed far less colonialism and genocide than western monarchy or “republics” have(ethiopia aside) and was even PRAISED by winston churchill.

But as they say, history is written by the victors and then it is read by you.

Italian food, Italian wine, Italian opera? Italian fascism? No, grazie, sono allergico a fascisma italiano.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:04 am

Farnhamia wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:

Italian fascism committed far less colonialism and genocide than western monarchy or “republics” have(ethiopia aside) and was even PRAISED by winston churchill.

But as they say, history is written by the victors and then it is read by you.

Italian food, Italian wine, Italian opera? Italian fascism? No, grazie, sono allergico a fascismo italiano.


A spy would say that! :eyebrow:
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:05 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Italian food, Italian wine, Italian opera? Italian fascism? No, grazie, sono allergico a fascismo italiano.


A spy would say that! :eyebrow:

But would a spy get the gender wrong on "allergico"?

I copied it from Google Translate without thinking.
Make Earth Great Again: Stop Continental Drift!
And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water ...
"Make yourself at home, Frank. Hit somebody." RIP Don Rickles
My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. ~ Carl Schurz
<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
RIP Dyakovo ... Ashmoria (Freedom ... or cake)
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:06 am

San Montalbano wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Yes, 1000% this!

I don't love Fascism merely because I want people to be oppressed. Even if this might be the net effect for some. It is simply because Fascism can offer many things neoliberal Democracy can't or fails to. The state having control over the majority of everything in society, would provide the sufficiently nationalist vison and new order I'd find most appealing.

I want and crave a Fourth Reich. Maybe this wouldn't be the case if I believed that democracy was leading the country down a correct path, which it isn't from my perspective.


Fourth reich?

Do not confuse fascism with national socialism, natsoc merley borrowed ideas, but race theory is not the core idea, and its abdhorant.


Just ignore him, he's a well known Nazi/alt righter here.
And apparently a misogynist too according to his sig.
BTW, I understand that Fascism is not racism or bigoted, just very nationalist and militaristic.
Still don't support, I just understand the difference.
Yugoslavia's back baby...

How the hell did this happen?
Well...we don't actually know. Just sort of happened one day.
Is it a reunited Yugoslavia in the 21st century? Is a rebel colony world in the far future? Is it a race of cyborg neo-life at war with any assimilating organisms they come across in the far far future? Who knows, who cares?
New Yugoslavia just is.

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Postby San Montalbano » Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:33 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
Fourth reich?

Do not confuse fascism with national socialism, natsoc merley borrowed ideas, but race theory is not the core idea, and its abdhorant.


Just ignore him, he's a well known Nazi/alt righter here.
And apparently a misogynist too according to his sig.
BTW, I understand that Fascism is not racism or bigoted, just very nationalist and militaristic.
Still don't support, I just understand the difference.


Thanks? Lol
“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
Fascism is the modern states national and natural immune response to unchained capitalism and subversive Marxist ideology.

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Postby New yugoslavaia » Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:00 pm

San Montalbano wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:
Just ignore him, he's a well known Nazi/alt righter here.
And apparently a misogynist too according to his sig.
BTW, I understand that Fascism is not racism or bigoted, just very nationalist and militaristic.
Still don't support, I just understand the difference.


Thanks? Lol


gLaD i CoUlD bE oF sErViCe.
Yugoslavia's back baby...

How the hell did this happen?
Well...we don't actually know. Just sort of happened one day.
Is it a reunited Yugoslavia in the 21st century? Is a rebel colony world in the far future? Is it a race of cyborg neo-life at war with any assimilating organisms they come across in the far far future? Who knows, who cares?
New Yugoslavia just is.

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Postby San Montalbano » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:29 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:I strongly support impeachment morally, but to the republicans here,m would you launch a civil war if he was removed from office or lost 2020 to say Warren, Buttigieg, Biden, Bernie, etc.?


Would it justifiable to launch a civil war if said impeachment or election was based on partisan and subversive political motivation?

I couldnt blame a nation rising up against an unjust coup
“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
Fascism is the modern states national and natural immune response to unchained capitalism and subversive Marxist ideology.

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Postby San Montalbano » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:32 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
Would it justifiable to launch a civil war if said impeachment or election was based on partisan and subversive political motivation?

I couldnt blame a nation rising up against an unjust coup

That's a yes then.


Wait are you saying its an unjust coup?
“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
Fascism is the modern states national and natural immune response to unchained capitalism and subversive Marxist ideology.

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Postby San Montalbano » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:36 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
Wait are you saying its an unjust coup?

No, that you guys would, and be blinded by propaganda so do so.
then I guess why should we accept Trump's reelection? We have just as much "evidence" as you guys do, so why not defy Democracy like you guys are willing to do?

The point is not advocacy, but to show the consequences of the Right Wing rhetoric.


Consequences of Right-wing rhetoric?

It wasnt the right that claimed trump was a russian spy

It wasnt the right that claimed he was a secret nazi

It wasnt the right saying “trust all women” when kavanaugh was being attacked with literally zero evidence.

It wasn’t the right at trump ralleys attacking clinton rallys in 2016

It’s not far right groups shutting down roadways and harassing people just trying to go to work in oregon.
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“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
Fascism is the modern states national and natural immune response to unchained capitalism and subversive Marxist ideology.

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Postby San Montalbano » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:45 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
Consequences of Right-wing rhetoric?

It wasnt the right that claimed trump was a russian spy

It wasnt the right that claimed he was a secret nazi

It wasnt the right saying “trust all women” when kavanaugh was being attacked with literally zero evidence.

It wasn’t the right at trump ralleys attacking clinton rallys in 2016

It’s not far right groups shutting down roadways and harassing people just trying to go to work in oregon.

You guys are the ones devoid of facts and are brainwashed, you people are the problem, those who buy into the rhetoric despite compelling counterevidence complete with peer-reviewed analysis by capable experts and making everything you can as an excuse of why the evidence isn't credible.
Kavanaugh was a credibly accused, you sicken me, stop reading breitbart and watching fox, they're propaganda.


Lol your talking to me like im a republican

They are just as much to blame for the controversey by being spineless and letting cultural marxists get as much power/influence as they have.
“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
Fascism is the modern states national and natural immune response to unchained capitalism and subversive Marxist ideology.

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Postby San Montalbano » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:46 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
Lol your talking to me like im a republican

They are just as much to blame for the controversey by being spineless and letting cultural marxists get as much power/influence as they have.

Cultural Marxism is a term invented by the Nazis with no root in fact.

And it doesn't matter that you're not a Republican, you're a right-wing guy who buys all that shit, that's why you're part of the problem.



Whats your solution for the “problem makers” then?
“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
Fascism is the modern states national and natural immune response to unchained capitalism and subversive Marxist ideology.

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Postby San Montalbano » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:50 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:

Whats your solution for the “problem makers” then?

What "problem makers" are you referring to? :eyebrow:


Well your saying people like me and other republicans and right-wingers are the ones causing issues, what are you going to do about it?
“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
Fascism is the modern states national and natural immune response to unchained capitalism and subversive Marxist ideology.

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Postby San Montalbano » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:53 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
Well your saying people like me and other republicans and right-wingers are the ones causing issues, what are you going to do about it?

Nothing, all we can do is try to talk to you but you guys listen to your propaganda and tell us to fuck off, so all we can do is be frustrated and hope you guys don't get violent.

You guys are even pissed at the education system so that's not a realistic solution to ease the tension.


What political ideology do you prescribe to?

Your also from oregon and are gonna sit there and act like anarcho communists are not harassing people in your own state, OKAY
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“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
Fascism is the modern states national and natural immune response to unchained capitalism and subversive Marxist ideology.

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Postby Samadhi » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:59 pm

When the statists are fighting over who's worse.

You're both extremely shit.

One day you'll work out were not all in this together.
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Postby San Montalbano » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:01 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
What political ideology do you prescribe to?

Your also from oregon and are gonna sit there and act like anarcho communists are not harassing people in your own state, OKAY

Oh do you really want to bring that shit up?
What the fuck about the racist proud boys who threatened to shoot people like me(I'm mexican-american, family immigrated legally)? wow what the fuck.

I'm a populist social democrat who's pro-life.


People get threats all the time from all sides of the aisle, trying wearing a trump out in some public places.

Your not interested in discussion, you just wanted to find a republican on the forum who would say they would get violent so you can self-justify your hate for them. Straight hate bait.

The proud boys, you means the guys who turn THEMSELVES into the police?

You live in a small and sad bubble, im sorry your so filled with anger.
“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
Fascism is the modern states national and natural immune response to unchained capitalism and subversive Marxist ideology.

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Postby Pepsi Co » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:02 pm

If the commies finally left than America can finally pursue a new golden age of libertarianism without the stalinists whining about the already bloated welfare budget and trying to punish corporations for being successful.

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