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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:59 am

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Pretty much actually...

And you have the perfect flag for it. :eyebrow:
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:03 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Bold of you to assume that only Republicans could create a one-party state.

That and please, can we give the "America is dooooomed!" threads a rest?


Seconded as this includes the silly second civil war threads.
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Postby Rio Cana » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:30 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:That and please, can we give the "America is dooooomed!" threads a rest?


Seconded as this includes the silly second civil war threads.



I do not really think the US is going over a cliff in the near future but the US military did come out with a report which says they expect some type of society conflict in the US in the next 20 years. They even think that the US military could be overwhelmed by climate change.

Read this -
https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/mbmk ... tagon-says
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:51 am

Rio Cana wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Seconded as this includes the silly second civil war threads.



I do not really think the US is going over a cliff in the near future but the US military did come out with a report which says they expect some type of society conflict in the US in the next 20 years. They even think that the US military could be overwhelmed by climate change.

Read this -
https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/mbmk ... tagon-says

Yeah, but they’re contractually required to report that they’ll be overwhelmed by climate change and ‘expect a society conflict in the US in the next 20 years’ doesn’t really mean much of anything.
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:27 pm

Just because non-Whites vote Democrat by default, doesn't necessarily mean that this will always be the case.

My theory is that too much Liberalism causes a Conservative backlash revolution such as what happened with Ronald Reagan onwards. Because of the Great Depression and FDR- the US was predominately liberal from the 1930s until roughly the 1970s. Then because of Stagflation and the failures of Liberal policies, a huge shift to the right happened which never really stopped until 2008's financial crisis.

The more non-Whites become rich or well off, the more Conservative some will be in the long run.
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Postby San Montalbano » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:29 pm

Saiwania wrote:Just because non-Whites vote Democrat by default, doesn't necessarily mean that this will always be the case.

My theory is that too much Liberalism causes a Conservative backlash revolution such as what happened with Ronald Reagan onwards. Because of the Great Depression and FDR- the US was predominately liberal from the 1930s until roughly the 1970s. Then because of Stagflation and the failures of Liberal policies, a huge shift to the right happened which never really stopped until 2008's financial crisis.

The more non-Whites become rich or well off, the more Conservative some will be in the long run.


Fascism is a possible future should unchecked “liberalism” and cultural marxism continue, it is a immune response, how severe that response is depends on the level of decadence.
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:47 pm

Saiwania wrote:Just because non-Whites vote Democrat by default, doesn't necessarily mean that this will always be the case.

My theory is that too much Liberalism causes a Conservative backlash revolution such as what happened with Ronald Reagan onwards. Because of the Great Depression and FDR- the US was predominately liberal from the 1930s until roughly the 1970s. Then because of Stagflation and the failures of Liberal policies, a huge shift to the right happened which never really stopped until 2008's financial crisis.

The more non-Whites become rich or well off, the more Conservative some will be in the long run.

Indeed, republican fortunes among non white voters are now where they were during the early bush era, with a continuing upward trend.
This suggests that ‘not nominating mitt Romney’ is enough for the Republican Party to scrape enough non white votes together to survive.
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Postby US-SSR » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:20 pm

San Montalbano wrote:Let's list the things that are becoming popular and even touted by many higher up democrats and/or "liberals" these days before you freak out about some wierd "trump dictatorship"

-sanctuary cities(creating a sub-class of citizen to expand their corporate helpers)

-Open Borders(Clearly a sham, they don't care about border security as long as it brings them their sub-class workers, the sanctuary cities are just bright neon signs)

-unlimited migration(illegal nor not, it's simply a smart though vile tactic of increasing their voting base, just import thousands upon thousands of people you KNOW will vote for you and call anyone who fights this racist)

-Lax lawn enforcement ( They cry about all kind of problems such as mass shooters but never mention why these individuals were not brought to justice when the warning signs were very clear, but again, the ends justify the means, meanwhile we have people being killed by illegal immigrants after sometimes 3-5 deportations, but never mind that i guess)

-Hate Speech Laws( the only group who has members whom advocate for criminalizing offensive language, not threatening language, but even offensive language)

-Attempting to turn classes against each other( especially with their giant leap to the far left these days, which can be seen by the presidential candidates they put up)

-Aligning themselves with Islamists, which ironically are extremely conservative, but that doesn't matter because they both find common ground in hating their home nations.

- Abolishing the electoral college, which obviously would help them because they can use their quite literal hordes of city homeless and poor/uneducated to forever maintain power.


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An economic apocalypse, perhaps.
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Postby Radictistan » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:06 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:Bold of you to assume that only Republicans could create a one-party state.

Who else is going to do it? The Democrats have neither the organization nor the cunning to make their own.

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Postby San Montalbano » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:11 pm

Radictistan wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Bold of you to assume that only Republicans could create a one-party state.

Who else is going to do it? The Democrats have neither the organization nor the cunning to make their own.


California is a de facto one-party state due to democratic super majority
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:11 pm

Come now, we'd probably become two one party states, not just one
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Postby Radictistan » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:34 pm

San Montalbano wrote:
Radictistan wrote:Who else is going to do it? The Democrats have neither the organization nor the cunning to make their own.


California is a de facto one-party state due to democratic super majority

And? There's a big difference between being successful in elections and creating a "one-party state" as the term is used in a non-disingenuous manner.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:44 pm

Rio Cana wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Seconded as this includes the silly second civil war threads.



I do not really think the US is going over a cliff in the near future but the US military did come out with a report which says they expect some type of society conflict in the US in the next 20 years. They even think that the US military could be overwhelmed by climate change.

Read this -
https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/mbmk ... tagon-says


Keep in mind. The goverment and military run scenarios all the time. I was even involved with a couple. I remember a scenario over where the USSR was going to overrun Japan and what should be done about that. A few not so pretty “solutions” went up.

Anyway, better they mention this stuff now rather then wait for the next guy to deal with it.

They are probably motivated since the Republicans seem to think climate change is a political plot.
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Postby Rico Roca » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:59 pm

I do just want to say I also plan on posting a reverse scenario of a Republican secession from a democratic US after this assuming that this thread is popular enough.

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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:10 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Pretty much actually...

And you have the perfect flag for it. :eyebrow:

Of course. :D
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:08 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:And you have the perfect flag for it. :eyebrow:

Of course. :D

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Postby Gagium » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:31 pm

Rio Cana wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Seconded as this includes the silly second civil war threads.



They even think that the US military could be overwhelmed by climate change.

Oh yeah? We’ll see how well climate change likes a few nuclear warheads sent right at them. That’ll teach them who’s overwhelming who!
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:11 pm

Gagium wrote:
Rio Cana wrote:

They even think that the US military could be overwhelmed by climate change.

Oh yeah? We’ll see how well climate change likes a few nuclear warheads sent right at them. That’ll teach them who’s overwhelming who!

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Postby Sovaal » Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:47 am

Rio Cana wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Seconded as this includes the silly second civil war threads.



I do not really think the US is going over a cliff in the near future but the US military did come out with a report which says they expect some type of society conflict in the US in the next 20 years. They even think that the US military could be overwhelmed by climate change.

Read this -
https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/mbmk ... tagon-says

Could. Key word.

And shit would have to be way worse than it is now for their to be real social conflict in the US.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:54 am

Radictistan wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
California is a de facto one-party state due to democratic super majority

And? There's a big difference between being successful in elections and creating a "one-party state" as the term is used in a non-disingenuous manner.


I mean, Maryland has been Gerrymandered into Democrat only control for as long as I've been alive.
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Postby Purpelia » Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:57 am

San Montalbano wrote:
Saiwania wrote:Just because non-Whites vote Democrat by default, doesn't necessarily mean that this will always be the case.

My theory is that too much Liberalism causes a Conservative backlash revolution such as what happened with Ronald Reagan onwards. Because of the Great Depression and FDR- the US was predominately liberal from the 1930s until roughly the 1970s. Then because of Stagflation and the failures of Liberal policies, a huge shift to the right happened which never really stopped until 2008's financial crisis.

The more non-Whites become rich or well off, the more Conservative some will be in the long run.


Fascism is a possible future should unchecked “liberalism” and cultural marxism continue, it is a immune response, how severe that response is depends on the level of decadence.

Fascism is not the response to these things. It is their progenitor and end result. Both fascism and modern marxism seek to create a society where the "group" for a meaning of the term has utter control over individuals up to the point of dictating how they think and feel. They both despise freedom and diversity in favor of forced inclusivity into a herd where everyone is "equal" and nobody is allowed to speak out against anything that the group approves off.

The difference between these movements is frankly only in the things they deem desirable and NOT the structure of the society they wish to create in order to impose those things.
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Postby San Montalbano » Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:58 am

Purpelia wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
Fascism is a possible future should unchecked “liberalism” and cultural marxism continue, it is a immune response, how severe that response is depends on the level of decadence.

Fascism is not the response to these things. It is their progenitor and end result. Both fascism and modern marxism seek to create a society where the "group" for a meaning of the term has utter control over individuals up to the point of dictating how they think and feel. They both despise freedom and diversity in favor of forced inclusivity into a herd where everyone is "equal" and nobody is allowed to speak out against anything that the group approves off.

The difference between these movements is frankly only in the things they deem desirable and NOT the structure of the society they wish to create in order to impose those things.


Conservatism is failing to maintain order and it has ALLOWED the rise of things like anti-fa and disorder(by supporting globalist corporatist policys) People demand community and national identity and when you deprive them of this they will seek those who will say “no not one more step back”

People act surprised that other “right-wing” groups are rising in America, don’t be so shocked.
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Postby Saiwania » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:13 am

San Montalbano wrote:Conservatism is failing to maintain order and it has ALLOWED the rise of things like anti-fa and disorder(by supporting globalist corporatist policys) People demand community and national identity and when you deprive them of this they will seek those who will say “no not one more step back”

People act surprised that other “right-wing” groups are rising in America, don’t be so shocked.


Yes, 1000% this!

I don't love Fascism merely because I want people to be oppressed. Even if this might be the net effect for some. It is simply because Fascism can offer many things neoliberal Democracy can't or fails to. The state having control over the majority of everything in society, would provide the sufficiently nationalist vison and new order I'd find most appealing.

I want and crave a Fourth Reich. Maybe this wouldn't be the case if I believed that democracy was leading the country down a correct path, which it isn't from my perspective.
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Postby Sovaal » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:20 am

Stellar Colonies wrote:An economic apocalypse, perhaps.

That’d bring the whole world down as well.
Saiwania wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:Conservatism is failing to maintain order and it has ALLOWED the rise of things like anti-fa and disorder(by supporting globalist corporatist policys) People demand community and national identity and when you deprive them of this they will seek those who will say “no not one more step back”

People act surprised that other “right-wing” groups are rising in America, don’t be so shocked.


Yes, 1000% this!

I don't love Fascism merely because I want people to be oppressed. Even if this might be the net effect for some. It is simply because Fascism can offer many things neoliberal Democracy can't or fails to. The state having control over the majority of everything in society, would provide the sufficiently nationalist vison and new order I'd find most appealing.

I want and crave a Fourth Reich. Maybe this wouldn't be the case if I believed that democracy was leading the country down a correct path, which it isn't from my perspective.

Fascism has done more to damage western civilization and “national identity” than it has ever done to preserve it.
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