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Postby Yuyencia » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:28 am

I am worry urban area are order infrastructure break down incapability peace preservation. Community rural are possibility surbive
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Postby Kowani » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:49 am

Yuyencia wrote:I am worry urban area are order infrastructure break down incapability peace preservation. Community rural are possibility surbive

That moment when poverty is rampant among rural communities but you expect them to be fine because they farm.
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Postby Major-Tom » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:54 am

This hypothetical is, errr, far fetched? Even if the Republicans somehow managed to create some one-party state, do you really think us liberals would have the balls to secede? Trust me, we wouldn't, the American Left is fucking weak at this juncture, it's embarrassing.

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Postby Yuyencia » Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:22 am

Kowani wrote:
Yuyencia wrote:I am worry urban area are order infrastructure break down incapability peace preservation. Community rural are possibility surbive

That moment when poverty is rampant among rural communities but you expect them to be fine because they farm.

my friend please be respect. living level are not necessary indication ability survive society chaos, community bond spirit are primary
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Postby Kowani » Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:54 am

Yuyencia wrote:
Kowani wrote:That moment when poverty is rampant among rural communities but you expect them to be fine because they farm.

my friend please be respect. living level are not necessary indication ability survive society chaos, community bond spirit are primary

Not at all. A communal spirit helps, but if material conditions say no, then you starve.
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Postby Crysuko » Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:54 pm

Major-Tom wrote:This hypothetical is, errr, far fetched? Even if the Republicans somehow managed to create some one-party state, do you really think us liberals would have the balls to secede? Trust me, we wouldn't, the American Left is fucking weak at this juncture, it's embarrassing.

The military is something like 90% conservative, and liberals will without fail kowtow to fascism. Sorry fam, it's a nonstarter.
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Postby San Montalbano » Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:56 pm

Crysuko wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:This hypothetical is, errr, far fetched? Even if the Republicans somehow managed to create some one-party state, do you really think us liberals would have the balls to secede? Trust me, we wouldn't, the American Left is fucking weak at this juncture, it's embarrassing.

The military is something like 90% conservative, and liberals will without fail kowtow to fascism. Sorry fam, it's a nonstarter.


90% conservative isnt 90% Fascist
“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
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Postby Crysuko » Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:56 pm

San Montalbano wrote:
Crysuko wrote:The military is something like 90% conservative, and liberals will without fail kowtow to fascism. Sorry fam, it's a nonstarter.


90% conservative isnt 90% Fascist

Tell that to Franco
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Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

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Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

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Postby San Montalbano » Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:58 pm

Crysuko wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
90% conservative isnt 90% Fascist

Tell that to Franco


If the military was 90% Fascist you would know it
“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
Fascism is the modern states national and natural immune response to unchained capitalism and subversive Marxist ideology.

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Postby Crysuko » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:01 pm

San Montalbano wrote:
Crysuko wrote:Tell that to Franco


If the military was 90% Fascist you would know it

What I mean is, if the people in charge of them are fascist then they can easily manipulate conservatives.
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Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Postby San Montalbano » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:02 pm

Crysuko wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
If the military was 90% Fascist you would know it

What I mean is, of the people in charge of them are fascist then they can easily manipulate conservatives.


Explain, you mean like rile them up into action? Well, men need to be lushed to action sometimes if thats what you are referring too. But the military has gotten a little more liberal and even marxist, thiugh still massivley right wing.
“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
Fascism is the modern states national and natural immune response to unchained capitalism and subversive Marxist ideology.

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Postby Crysuko » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:05 pm

San Montalbano wrote:
Crysuko wrote:What I mean is, of the people in charge of them are fascist then they can easily manipulate conservatives.


Explain, you mean like rile them up into action? Well, men need to be lushed to action sometimes if thats what you are referring too. But the military has gotten a little more liberal and even marxist, thiugh still massivley right wing.

Use nationalist and patriotic rhetoric to maintain their loyalty, and point them at "socialists" (real or not) who fascists and conservatives both hate, and before you know it, they're being played like a fiddle.
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Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Postby San Montalbano » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:08 pm

Crysuko wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
Explain, you mean like rile them up into action? Well, men need to be lushed to action sometimes if thats what you are referring too. But the military has gotten a little more liberal and even marxist, thiugh still massivley right wing.

Use nationalist and patriotic rhetoric to maintain their loyalty, and point them at "socialists" (real or not) who fascists and conservatives both hate, and before you know it, they're being played like a fiddle.


Welp socialism and cultural marxism will destroy us, so hopefully it is sniffed out.

Besides, both sides do it, the marxists just use class struggle to do the same pushing. Look at the democrat party, they have taken wildly left positions in recent times(some calling for open borders, free healthcare to even illegals, etc etc)

Those are very wild positions given that non would say that 5-10 years ago
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“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
Fascism is the modern states national and natural immune response to unchained capitalism and subversive Marxist ideology.

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Postby Gagium » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:50 pm

San Montalbano wrote:cultural marxism

What do you define as 'cultural marxism'?
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Postby San Montalbano » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:54 pm

Gagium wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:cultural marxism

What do you define as 'cultural marxism'?


To sum it up in my own opinion

A common movement to progress class conflict, destroy traditions and culture, divide based on perceived ethnic/racisl roots, ideological subversion in schools, dismantle the state as a illegitament one and instigate enough chaos to allow a societal collapse or, if possible, initiate a de facto marxist-socialist one-party totalitarian state.
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“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
Fascism is the modern states national and natural immune response to unchained capitalism and subversive Marxist ideology.

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Postby Deacarsia » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:57 pm

San Montalbano wrote:
Deacarsia wrote:Yes, the Left are silly hypocrites.


It really is true when they say if the left didnt have double standards they wouldnt have standards at all

Yes, exactly.
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Postby Kernen » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:12 pm

San Montalbano wrote:
Kowani wrote: The sanity of Hannibal Lecter, perhaps.
Naaah.

>Conservative
>Fixing the country

Well those two things are diametrically opposed.
Off a cliff, sure.
I’m not sure what this is supposed to mean.

The very fact that healthcare for all is considered “radically left-wing” or revolutionary shows how twisted to the right America is.


This is hilarious “ radically left wing”

Yeah like how people on nationstates think the pledge of the allegiance is fascistic :roll: though?

Mostly because it is.

Look, Trump doesn't even understand the basic separation of power rules inherent in executive power. A president who doesn't credibly know the extent of his authority or how the Constitution works is a bad president, politics be damned.
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Postby Deacarsia » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:19 pm

Kowani wrote:America. Freedom for the rich, and everyone else can get fucked.

Kowani wrote:That’s true, if only in that he’s too incompetent to do that.
I never understand how the President simultaneously can be an idiot who does not know what he is doing and an evil mastermind who deliberately is ruining the country and conniving with foreign entities.
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It is simple, really. The Left is based on egalitarianism, which is a revolt against the nature of mankind since each person is different. In its impossible quest for “equality,” it attacks the social and economic fabric of the country, and in doing so it leads to its destruction, since its goal is unattainable and contrary to reality.

Explain to me why you think the Right is ruining the country.
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Progressivism and progress are not the same thing. They almost are exact opposites. It is true, however, that the future lies in the hands of those in the present.
It is socialism where money is taken unjustly from the labor of others, since ultimately it amounts to stealing others’ property and forcing them to do things against their will.

In true laissez-faire capitalism, which is not the system we have today, businessmen profit by offering the workers the security of a wage in exchange for taking on the risk of the goods or services being sold below cost, or not at all, for providing the workers with capital to actually produce the goods or services in question, and for having to wait until the good actually is sold to earn money, whereas workers receive payment regularly upon completion of work.

Since this mutually benefits both the workers, who have less uncertainty and greater productivity, and the capitalist, who can utilize the workers’ labor to better satisfy consumer demand, it occurs voluntarily and without injustice to either party.
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Postby Deacarsia » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:19 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
This is hilarious “ radically left wing”

Yeah like how people on nationstates think the pledge of the allegiance is fascistic :roll: though?

Actually it's more authoritarian socialist, even a socialist made it.

I don't like totalitarian variants of socialism, thank you, so fuck the pledge.

I agree.
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Postby Deacarsia » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:20 pm

San Montalbano wrote:
Gagium wrote:What do you define as 'cultural marxism'?


To sum it up in my own opinion

A common movement to progress class conflict, destroy traditions and culture, divide based on perceived ethnic/racisl roots, ideological subversion in schools, dismantle the state as a illegitament one and instigate enough chaos to allow a societal collapse or, if possible, initiate a de facto marxist-socialist one-party totalitarian state.

Yes, exactly.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:22 pm

San Montalbano wrote:
Gagium wrote:What do you define as 'cultural marxism'?


To sum it up in my own opinion

A common movement to progress class conflict,
That’s just Marxism, Nothing cultural about it.
destroy traditions and culture,
Nope.
divide based on perceived ethnic/racisl roots,
Nope.
ideological subversion in schools,
Literally every school in history.
dismantle the state as a illegitament one
Dismantling the State is an objective of communism. Unfortunately for you, it has nothing to do with legitimacy.
and instigate enough chaos to allow a societal collapse
No, capitalism will do that on its own.
or, if possible, initiate a de facto marxist-socialist one-party totalitarian state.

Reads like a Rush Limbaugh script.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
This is hilarious “ radically left wing”

Yeah like how people on nationstates think the pledge of the allegiance is fascistic :roll: though?

Actually it's more authoritarian socialist, even a socialist made it.
This is both hilariously wrong and terrible logic.
I don't like totalitarian variants of socialism, thank you, so fuck the pledge.

The Pledge is about as socialist as F. A. Hayek.
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Postby San Montalbano » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:23 pm

Deacarsia wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
To sum it up in my own opinion

A common movement to progress class conflict, destroy traditions and culture, divide based on perceived ethnic/racisl roots, ideological subversion in schools, dismantle the state as a illegitament one and instigate enough chaos to allow a societal collapse or, if possible, initiate a de facto marxist-socialist one-party totalitarian state.

Yes, exactly.


Yup and thats why i became a fascist because mussolini was right: democracy is a sham, you in the west will learn this some day.
“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
Fascism is the modern states national and natural immune response to unchained capitalism and subversive Marxist ideology.

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Postby Kernen » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:29 pm

San Montalbano wrote:
Deacarsia wrote:Yes, exactly.


Yup and thats why i became a fascist because mussolini was right: democracy is a sham, you in the west will learn this some day.

Given enough time, you're probably right. Eventually those of us in the West will see democracy is a sham, because at some point, people in the west will have democracy fail them. But it won't be this generation.
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Postby San Montalbano » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:30 pm

Kernen wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
Yup and thats why i became a fascist because mussolini was right: democracy is a sham, you in the west will learn this some day.

Given enough time, you're probably right. But it won't be this generation.


Thats fine
“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
Fascism is the modern states national and natural immune response to unchained capitalism and subversive Marxist ideology.

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Postby Kernen » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:31 pm

San Montalbano wrote:
Kernen wrote:Given enough time, you're probably right. But it won't be this generation.


Thats fine

Incidentally, it probably won't be in our lifetimes.
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