Future of a Divided America

[Deacarsia]

Donald is a step into insanity

If insanity is loving America and freedom, then lock me up!

as is the populist reactionaryism of the Republicans,

Naaah.

but he's not fundamentally dangerous enough that he could destroy the country

>Trump
>Destroying the country

Well those two things are diametrically opposed.

Off a cliff, sure

Yeah, no. The Left is leading the United States off a cliff.

how much of the Republican policies now will be the status quo in 2022? 2024? 2207-8-9?

I understand exactly what this is supposed to mean, and it is ridiculous. Either the Right will fix the country, or the Left will destroy it.

Its the nature of Right-wing Reactionaryism to gain a high tide and fall with the waves of time, as they fight for a past people see for the mistake it is, and betray most semblance to their old stances on the economic side.

Ah yes, the great “progressivism is inevitable” myth. Keep telling yourselves that, losers.

The very fact that healthcare for all is considered “radically left-wing” or revolutionary shows how twisted to the right America is.

The very fact that “democratic socialists” think that they are entitled to the fruits of another’s labor shows how twisted the Left is.

TRUMP 2020

[Deacarsia]

The sanity of Hannibal Lecter, perhaps.
Naaah.

>Conservative
>Fixing the country

Well those two things are diametrically opposed.
Off a cliff, sure.
I’m not sure what this is supposed to mean.

The very fact that healthcare for all is considered “radically left-wing” or revolutionary shows how twisted to the right America is.

This is hilarious “ radically left wing”

Yeah like how people on nationstates think the pledge of the allegiance is fascistic though?

Yes, the Left are silly hypocrites.

[San Montalbano]

This is hilarious “ radically left wing”

Yeah like how people on nationstates think the pledge of the allegiance is fascistic though?

Yes, the Left are silly hypocrites.

It really is true when they say if the left didnt have double standards they wouldnt have standards at all

[Kowani]

Donald is a step into insanity

If insanity is loving America and freedom, then lock me up!

America. Freedom for the rich, and everyone else can get fucked.

as is the populist reactionaryism of the Republicans,

Naaah.

but he's not fundamentally dangerous enough that he could destroy the country

>Trump
>Destroying the country

Well those two things are diametrically opposed.

That’s true, if only in that he’s too incompetent to do that.

Off a cliff, sure

Yeah, no. The Left is leading the United States off a cliff.

I’m sure this explanation will be good.

how much of the Republican policies now will be the status quo in 2022? 2024? 2207-8-9?

I understand exactly what this is supposed to mean, and it is ridiculous. Either the Right will fix the country, or the Left will destroy it.

Its the nature of Right-wing Reactionaryism to gain a high tide and fall with the waves of time, as they fight for a past people see for the mistake it is, and betray most semblance to their old stances on the economic side.

Ah yes, the great “progressivism is inevitable” myth. Keep telling yourselves that, losers.

Progression is quite literally inevitable, the only question is what shape it shall take.

The very fact that healthcare for all is considered “radically left-wing” or revolutionary shows how twisted to the right America is.

The very fact that “democratic socialists” think that they are entitled to the fruits of another’s labor shows how twisted the Left is.

Glad to see you’re turning away from capitalism, being opposed to people profiting off the labor of others and all.

[Christian Confederation]

Yes, the Left are silly hypocrites.

It really is true when they say if the left didnt have double standards they wouldnt have standards at all

Yup.
How about we keep America intact long enough to protect Hong Kong and France with there revolutions

[Kowani]

It really is true when they say if the left didnt have double standards they wouldnt have standards at all

Yup.
How about we keep America intact long enough to protect Hong Kong and France with there revolutions

Neither of those are going anywhere.

[Farnhamia]

It really is true when they say if the left didnt have double standards they wouldnt have standards at all

Yup.
How about we keep America intact long enough to protect Hong Kong and France with there revolutions

I thought you wanted a "southern nation"?

[Bear Stearns]

It really is true when they say if the left didnt have double standards they wouldnt have standards at all

Yup.
How about we keep America intact long enough to protect Hong Kong and France with there revolutions

We can either slowly manage the empire into its inevitable decline and implosion like the Soviets did, or we can break-off a habitable chunk while we still can and split (like the Eastern Roman Empire).

[Kowani]

Yes, the Left are silly hypocrites.

It really is true when they say if the left didnt have double standards they wouldnt have standards at all

Generalization, 100.

[Christian Confederation]

Yup.
How about we keep America intact long enough to protect Hong Kong and France with there revolutions

I thought you wanted a "southern nation"?

I do but I want America to stay together if it can

[Bienenhalde]

First of all, I figure it would be best to grant independence to Alaska and Hawaii. The question of how to divide the rest of the US would be a bit more complicated.

[Bienenhalde]

Previously I have proposed that the southwestern United States should be given back to Mexico and the rest should be annexed by Canada, but other people have pointed out that this would lead to Canadians being outnumbered by former US citizens and that Canada would like reject such a plan. So with that in mind, how would you divide the continental US?

[Gagium]

Previously I have proposed that the southwestern United States should be given back to Mexico and the rest should be annexed by Canada, but other people have pointed out that this would lead to Canadians being outnumbered by former US citizens and that Canada would like reject such a plan. So with that in mind, how would you divide the continental US?

You really trust the Mexican government with managing/governing over anything more than they already try to? :/

[Bear Stearns]

Previously I have proposed that the southwestern United States should be given back to Mexico and the rest should be annexed by Canada, but other people have pointed out that this would lead to Canadians being outnumbered by former US citizens and that Canada would like reject such a plan. So with that in mind, how would you divide the continental US?

Giving the Southwestern US to Mexico would lead to former US citizens being outnumbered by Mexicans. I'm sure they would love that.

Also, Canada annexing the US is really the same as the US annexing it.

[Bienenhalde]

Previously I have proposed that the southwestern United States should be given back to Mexico and the rest should be annexed by Canada, but other people have pointed out that this would lead to Canadians being outnumbered by former US citizens and that Canada would like reject such a plan. So with that in mind, how would you divide the continental US?

You really trust the Mexican government with managing/governing over anything more than they already try to? :/

Well, it would be better if they restored the House of Iturbide and established a constitutional monarchy.

[Bear Stearns]

You really trust the Mexican government with managing/governing over anything more than they already try to? :/

Well, it would be better if they restored the House of Iturbide and established a constitutional monarchy.

The Hapsburg guy would probably better. Iturbide was known as a lunatic.

[Bienenhalde]

Giving the Southwestern US to Mexico would lead to former US citizens being outnumbered by Mexicans. I'm sure they would love that.

Also, Canada annexing the US is really the same as the US annexing it.

Much of the southwestern US is culturally closer to Mexico than the rest of the country anyway. Also, I think Americanism is a failed ideology, and I don't want Canada incorporated into a US-style liberal republic.

[Bear Stearns]

Giving the Southwestern US to Mexico would lead to former US citizens being outnumbered by Mexicans. I'm sure they would love that.

Also, Canada annexing the US is really the same as the US annexing it.

Much of the southwestern US is culturally closer to Mexico than the rest of the country anyway.

Some parts of it, certainly. But places like Phoenix, Orange County, San Diego, and West Texas? Not a chance.

Also, I think Americanism is a failed ideology,

I agree.

and I don't want Canada incorporated into a US-style liberal republic.

Canada can just be Canada.

[Gagium]

You really trust the Mexican government with managing/governing over anything more than they already try to? :/

Well, it would be better if they restored the House of Iturbide and established a constitutional monarchy.

I don’t think the cartels etc. care what the government is or who’s leading it - They’re still going to operate, and Mexico’s law enforcers and local executive are still going to be corrupt. I’d they can hardly be trusted with governing their own land as is, why should perfectly-well-off US states be ceded to them?

[Bienenhalde]

Some parts of it, certainly. But places like Phoenix, Orange County, San Diego, and West Texas? Not a chance.

Even if there are a few Anglo enclaves, they could still be outvoted by other inhabitants of their states, especially if locals lose faith in the ideals of US civic nationalism. Besides, don't Orange County and San Diego have large numbers of Asians and Hispanics?

[Christian Confederation]

Previously I have proposed that the southwestern United States should be given back to Mexico and the rest should be annexed by Canada, but other people have pointed out that this would lead to Canadians being outnumbered by former US citizens and that Canada would like reject such a plan. So with that in mind, how would you divide the continental US?

Simple along party lines.
Swing States will go with the majority in said state.

[Bienenhalde]

Well, it would be better if they restored the House of Iturbide and established a constitutional monarchy.

I don’t think the cartels etc. care what the government is or who’s leading it - They’re still going to operate, and Mexico’s law enforcers and local executive are still going to be corrupt. I’d they can hardly be trusted with governing their own land as is, why should perfectly-well-off US states be ceded to them?

The influx of wealth would lead to a growing middle class, which would lead to an effective anti-corruption movement, which would lead to crackdowns on the cartels.

[Bienenhalde]

Previously I have proposed that the southwestern United States should be given back to Mexico and the rest should be annexed by Canada, but other people have pointed out that this would lead to Canadians being outnumbered by former US citizens and that Canada would like reject such a plan. So with that in mind, how would you divide the continental US?

Simple along party lines.
Swing States will go with the majority in said state.

But states purely on the basis of ideology are not usually stable in the long term. Look what happened with the collapse of communism in Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union.

[Christian Confederation]

Simple along party lines.
Swing States will go with the majority in said state.

But states purely on the basis of ideology are not usually stable in the long term. Look what happened with the collapse of communism in Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union.

That's why we look at ideology, Religion, Race, Beliefs, Ethics, and comman ideas

[Bassoe]

I don’t think the cartels etc. care what the government is or who’s leading it - They’re still going to operate, and Mexico’s law enforcers and local executive are still going to be corrupt. I’d they can hardly be trusted with governing their own land as is, why should perfectly-well-off US states be ceded to them?

The influx of wealth would lead to a growing middle class, which would lead to an effective anti-corruption movement, which would lead to crackdowns on the cartels.

How? The cartel forces are powerful enough to fight the official Mexican government's actual military and win. Look what happened with El Chapo's son. If the cartels were dealing with a hypothetical official Mexican government which they couldn't bribe or threaten into submission, one which was willing to make an outright fight of the issue, the monopoly of force wouldn't necessarily be on the government's side.

Of course if you've got a united states government crazy and/or weakened enough to cede American territory inhabited by American citizens to Mexico, the issue isn't how Mexico plans to assimilate said territory and citizens but if said citizens are well-armed enough to fight the Mexican government and cartels themselves and establish their own government. Which is an entirely different scenario. Instead of "the US military invades Mexico", "the US government goes crazy, says they won't stop any American citizens who try to invade Mexico themselves, cue the /k/ommando warlords."