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by San Montalbano » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:32 pm
by Kowani » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:36 pm
Think of Doctor Doofenshmirtz.Deacarsia wrote:Kowani wrote:America. Freedom for the rich, and everyone else can get fucked.I never understand how the President simultaneously can be an idiot who does not know what he is doing and an evil mastermind who deliberately is ruining the country and conniving with foreign entities.Kowani wrote:That’s true, if only in that he’s too incompetent to do that.
So, we have multiple problems. The first is that you conflate every single leftist tendency into one monolith, which is beyond inaccurate. (And knowing how conservatives are wont to do, you probably conflated Liberals with Leftists.) Your next flaw is assuming that there exists such a thing as human nature, as well as a catastrophic misunderstanding of leftist thought in general. Additionally, your entire argument is based on the naturalistic fallacy.It is simple, really. The Left is based on egalitarianism, which is a revolt against the nature of mankind since each person is different. In its impossible quest for “equality,” it attacks the social and economic fabric of the country, and in doing so it leads to its destruction, since its goal is unattainable and contrary to reality.Kowani wrote:I’m sure this explanation will be good.
Climate change, doing nothing about income inequality and stagnant wages, a constant support for western interventionism, their complete and total failure to confront racism and discrimination, failing to uphold their own promises, the fear of immigration…Explain to me why you think the Right is ruining the country.
Firstly, it’s not stealing-theft is illegal by definition, and in a socialist country, it would not be theft, as the capitalist class would not own the means of production. (Also, Money isn’t taken from anyone, since it’s been abolished.)It is socialism where money is taken unjustly from the labor of others, since ultimately it amounts to stealing others’ propertyKowani wrote:Progression is quite literally inevitable, the only question is what shape it shall take. Nope.
“Work or starve” (capitalism) is just as coercive as socialism.and forcing them to do things against their will.
This would be good if it actually worked that way. Rather, what actually happens is the capitalist class locks wages and prices, oligopolizing a market and leaving everyone at their mercy.In true laissez-faire capitalism, which is not the system we have today, businessmen profit by offering the workers the security of a wage in exchange for taking on the risk of the goods or services being sold below cost, or not at all, for providing the workers with capital to actually produce the goods or services in question, and for having to wait until the good actually is sold to earn money, whereas workers receive payment regularly upon completion of work.
Since this mutually benefits both the workers, who have less uncertainty and greater productivity, and the capitalist, who can utilize the workers’ labor to better satisfy consumer demand, it occurs voluntarily and without injustice to either party.
by Tombradyonia » Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:02 pm
Kowani wrote:The very fact that healthcare for all is considered “radically left-wing” or revolutionary shows how twisted to the right America is.
by Deacarsia » Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:19 pm
Tombradyonia wrote:Kowani wrote:The very fact that healthcare for all is considered “radically left-wing” or revolutionary shows how twisted to the right America is.
You'd think that the "pro-life" types would be all for healthcare-for-all. After all, isn't their schtick that all life is precious and we should do anything to preserve it? But it seems that with many on the right, it only applies to the "unborn" because once you're born, the right wing says you're on your own.
by Deacarsia » Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:20 pm
by Deacarsia » Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:22 pm
by Kowani » Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:31 pm
Deacarsia wrote: “Healthcare for all” also does not work, because it goes against the laws of economics, so I therefore oppose it;
by San Montalbano » Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:01 pm
by Bienenhalde » Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:29 pm
Crysuko wrote:Major-Tom wrote:This hypothetical is, errr, far fetched? Even if the Republicans somehow managed to create some one-party state, do you really think us liberals would have the balls to secede? Trust me, we wouldn't, the American Left is fucking weak at this juncture, it's embarrassing.
The military is something like 90% conservative, and liberals will without fail kowtow to fascism. Sorry fam, it's a nonstarter.
by Kaystein » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:21 pm
by Kernen » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:53 pm
San Montalbano wrote:
I wonder what could make them believe such things, it couldnt possibly be marxists saying that white people are evil colonizers on stolen land.
by San Montalbano » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:54 pm
by Kernen » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:57 pm
by Rojava Free State » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:58 pm
Deacarsia wrote:Kowani wrote:America. Freedom for the rich, and everyone else can get fucked.I never understand how the President simultaneously can be an idiot who does not know what he is doing and an evil mastermind who deliberately is ruining the country and conniving with foreign entities.Kowani wrote:That’s true, if only in that he’s too incompetent to do that.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by San Montalbano » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:59 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Deacarsia wrote:I never understand how the President simultaneously can be an idiot who does not know what he is doing and an evil mastermind who deliberately is ruining the country and conniving with foreign entities.
Or he's an idiot that an evil mastermind or group of them is using
Of course you never thought of that
by Rojava Free State » Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:00 pm
San Montalbano wrote:
I wonder what could make them believe such things, it couldnt possibly be marxists saying that white people are evil colonizers on stolen land.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by San Montalbano » Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:04 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:San Montalbano wrote:
I wonder what could make them believe such things, it couldnt possibly be marxists saying that white people are evil colonizers on stolen land.
#1 anti white racism is not a core tenant of communism at all and communism was in fact created by a white man
#2 anti white racism doesn't justify genocide against people of color.
by West Leas Oros 2 » Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:50 am
San Montalbano wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:
#1 anti white racism is not a core tenant of communism at all and communism was in fact created by a white man
#2 anti white racism doesn't justify genocide against people of color.
Right on both accounts
Its not straight up communism, but stoking racial flames is part of cultural marxism and the opressed/opresser tactics they employ, its simply a means to an end, and the end justifys the means
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by New yugoslavaia » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:11 am
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:San Montalbano wrote:
Right on both accounts
Its not straight up communism, but stoking racial flames is part of cultural marxism and the opressed/opresser tactics they employ, its simply a means to an end, and the end justifys the means
No, it isn't. None of what you just said has any basis in Marxist theory. What you just said is, as the Santa Claus impersonator himself would say, UNDIALECTICAL.
by San Montalbano » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:46 am
by Isles of Metanoia » Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:36 pm
Drongonia wrote:Rico Roca wrote:Let's say that in the future political freedom in the US just keeps deteriorating eventually becoming a hyper capitalist defacto Republican one party state with freedom of speech being abolished with widespread gerrymandering and voter suppression looking like Hungary or Turkey.
The thing is, due to demographic change, it's very unlikely that we'll get very many Republican POTUSes after Trump. Say what you will about whether he'll get in when 2020 rolls around, but in the 2024 election and going forwards I don't see the 50-50 left-right split continuing for very long. Generally speaking, Asians, Hispanics, PoC, Pacific Islanders - basically any other ethnic group besides US European Whites votes for the left, so as whites become the minority, which is predicted to happen in the next few decades, the country will swing further left.
Now, assuming the constitution stays intact for the foreseeable future (ie. Trump's presidency and maybe one more Republican and Democrat after him) any decay in the realm of what you speak of will definitely be bi-partisan. It will be a corporatist-run degradation of rights, not the "Republican" or "Democratic" parties. It will likely be the entire establishment on both sides deciding people don't get rights anymore.
But as an endnote, these threads are stupid and none of what you said - or what I said, will probably happen.
by Isles of Metanoia » Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:00 pm
by West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:02 am
New yugoslavaia wrote:West Leas Oros 2 wrote:No, it isn't. None of what you just said has any basis in Marxist theory. What you just said is, as the Santa Claus impersonator himself would say, UNDIALECTICAL.
Well, it does come from this "theory"...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism
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by New yugoslavaia » Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:34 am
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:New yugoslavaia wrote:
Well, it does come from this "theory"...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism
What I said to San Montalbano was that nothing he said was based in Marxist theory, but I already knew it was based on the stupid "theories" of the Nazis.
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