Latin America General : Corona Carnaval

[Novus America]

Not just important to me, important to Bolivians. Yes many are quite mad with Evo’s actions and want him held to account. Again even the left wing Guardian has acknowledged he has things to answer for.

Well unfortunately there was a coup and he had to flee the country, so there's no possibility of any allegations against him having a fair hearing. Or do you think he should return to Bolivia and submit himself to the justice of the military who are no longer bound by the law and the government that is locking up members of his party for "sedition"?

And even though there may be no jury here, you are still trying to do it just to smear the US despite your lack of any real evidence.

So who the fuck do you think I am trying to prejudice? Do you imagine that there are people who are remotely politically aware who don't know about America's history of overthrowing South American governments?

And what kind of standards are you expecting us to operate under here? We can't talk about America's fondness for coups because that's not allowed in court, yet you are not remotely restricted in talking about alleged wrongdoing by Evo Morales.

It is more complicated than that as I have said many times.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washin ... utType=amp
It is not as simple as “the military forced him”.

But sure, he does not have to return until after the elections. He can stay in Mexico. Nobody is forcing him to leave Mexico.

Oh you can certainly point out the US has supported some coups in the past, but if you claim that is “evidence” the US is behind any coup, you are going to be called out for making a BS claim without sufficient evidence.

[Kubra]

So, say that the people of any given country (a majority of them of some nature, if you will, either a simple majority or supermajority or something else) hypothetically want a person to continue being their leader. They shouldn't be allowed to have the right to choose to have that person continuing to lead them? Who gets to decide that the people aren't allowed to have the free will to choose to keep or remove their own leaders as they see fit?

The constraints imposed by a constitution should have the final say, barring a two-thirds majority yes vote in the legislature and/or an absolute yes vote among at least half of ALL eligible voters REGARDLESS of turnout in a referendum to amend the constitution to remove term limits. If two-thirds of all Bolivians wanted Morales to stay on beyond a third term, he would have been able to stay on as president indefinitely with complete impunity and a popular mandate, regardless of any electoral fraud.

Of course, most Russians in spite of widespread allegations of electoral fraud want Putin to stay on as their president, while most Singaporeans overwhelmingly support Lee Hsien Loong and the PAP, which has governed Singapore unchallenged since independence in 1965, again in spite of widespread gerrymandering and skewed state media coverage. This doesn't make Russia or Singapore any less politically repressive or authoritarian. Putin and Lee may enjoy popular support, but they are still dictators who suppress political dissent. Turkey has followed a similar trajectory in recent years. With the Turkish military now unable to uphold the secular constitution of Turkey, the country is fast sliding into a full-blown Islamist dictatorship under Erdogan. Ditto Gaza and the rise of Hamas. Dictators can and have enjoyed majority support in a number of countries past and present.

The question then becomes how to remove them if or once they lose popular support. There is no reason why I should support or offer any ounce of legitimacy to any authoritarian regime in any way, shape or form, popular or not, and there is no reason why democracies such as the United States shouldn't distance themselves from such a regime, or in the case of extremely repressive regimes, impose sanctions, sever diplomatic ties, impose trade tariffs or wage an all-out cold war to indirectly undermine the regime so that people finally wake up and topple the tyrants from within as a result of pent-up anger and frustration. Sanctions in Iran have indirectly led to massive protests to topple the Islamist regime. Maybe we can replicate this outcome in China?

In Bolivia's case, support for Morales personally is by no means universal and he may no longer enjoy the support of a majority of Bolivians, who may otherwise have been more than happy to vote for his successor. Support for MAS may be a different story altogether. If Bolivians want to see a continuation of Morales' policies, they should vote in a successor from the same party.

Bolivia under Morales was achieving some of the greatest economic prosperity in all of South and Central America - in regards to a quadrupling GDP and a rapidly-declining poverty rate, among other things - and Bolivia's parliamentary system is also run via a system of proportional representation, in which the MAS-IPSP has won the majority of seats numerous times through popularity (because they've been doing a damn good job of making things better in Bolivia for the people), not through fraud or whatever.

That still doesn't prove Morales won the election fair and square, or that people still want him as their president, but they may still want MAS to govern Bolivia. The upcoming election in January will put this question to rest. I'm going to walk back slightly on what I said earlier. While the people appear to have won the day by removing a would-be dictator from power without any foreign assistance, this is only a partial step in the right direction. Bolivia will not be a true democracy until a new government is elected and sworn into office, whether it's a MAS government or not. The transitional government must keep to its word and hold elections soon. The military must not be allowed to hijack the democratic revolution and snuff out a flame that has only just been lit, or the country will see a repeat of what happened in Egypt when General Sisi assumed total control. Only then can Bolivians breathe easy.

As a Malaysian, I know how it feels to be betrayed and have all of our promises broken by a new, democratically elected government and watch it slowly morph back into the old, corrupt, authoritarian regime that we so miraculously overthrew at the ballot box last year. In that case, electoral malfeasance backfired spectacularly.

and there's the thing. Is MAS a party, a real party, or are they really just Morales?
As I've said, all Morales had to do was determine a successor or have the party capable of choosing one. MAS would still be elected and Morales could go on influencing its direction in ways other than occupying the top office. I don't figure we'll have socialism in this century if we trust the work of it to caudillos.

[Wallenburg]

Well unfortunately there was a coup and he had to flee the country, so there's no possibility of any allegations against him having a fair hearing. Or do you think he should return to Bolivia and submit himself to the justice of the military who are no longer bound by the law and the government that is locking up members of his party for "sedition"?


So who the fuck do you think I am trying to prejudice? Do you imagine that there are people who are remotely politically aware who don't know about America's history of overthrowing South American governments?

And what kind of standards are you expecting us to operate under here? We can't talk about America's fondness for coups because that's not allowed in court, yet you are not remotely restricted in talking about alleged wrongdoing by Evo Morales.

It is more complicated than that as I have said many times.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washin ... utType=amp
It is not as simple as “the military forced him”.

It is, though. The military demanded he stepped down, that's forcing him out.

[Liriena]

Moving away from Bolivia, the debate over abortion and sex ed in Argentina is slowly but surely turning me into a Marxist-Leninist. I love democracy but holy fuck the religious right here is so hysterical and megalomaniacal about keeping kids ignorant and forcing them to carry even life-threatening pregnancies to term that I'm half-tempted to unironically support democratic centralism and reeducation camps.

They are gloating because our legislators keep stonewalling our integral sex ed law.

[Nakena]

Moving away from Bolivia, the debate over abortion and sex ed in Argentina is slowly but surely turning me into a Marxist-Leninist. I love democracy but holy fuck the religious right here is so hysterical and megalomaniacal about keeping kids ignorant and forcing them to carry even life-threatening pregnancies to term that I'm half-tempted to unironically support democratic centralism and reeducation camps.

They are gloating because our legislators keep stonewalling our integral sex ed law.

I wonder if its more the catholic or evangelical types.

[Liriena]

Moving away from Bolivia, the debate over abortion and sex ed in Argentina is slowly but surely turning me into a Marxist-Leninist. I love democracy but holy fuck the religious right here is so hysterical and megalomaniacal about keeping kids ignorant and forcing them to carry even life-threatening pregnancies to term that I'm half-tempted to unironically support democratic centralism and reeducation camps.

They are gloating because our legislators keep stonewalling our integral sex ed law.

I wonder if its more the catholic or evangelical types.

A bit of both. The evangelical types have been making a lot of proselitism on the streets and politicians are beginning to court their vote though, so...

Scary stuff. I know "be gay do crime" is the motto but I really hope "be gay" and "do crime" won't become synonyms because the local neolibs developed an addiction to evangelical voters.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Moving away from Bolivia, the debate over abortion and sex ed in Argentina is slowly but surely turning me into a Marxist-Leninist. I love democracy but holy fuck the religious right here is so hysterical and megalomaniacal about keeping kids ignorant and forcing them to carry even life-threatening pregnancies to term that I'm half-tempted to unironically support democratic centralism and reeducation camps.

They are gloating because our legislators keep stonewalling our integral sex ed law.

Liriena my Friend, since you support Bolivia's Evo, Venezuela's Maduro and Cuba's regime Fidel, Raúl and Diaz-Canel - which say We are the continuity of the revolution, I thought you are a leftist Marxist-Leninist of sorts? So it seems I have you figured out wrong?

[Arlye Austros]

General question: are there any journalist you know which are either freelancer or very neutral on their stance about the region that we ought to follow on social media?
Arguably Carlos Montero used to be one, but in the last few months he's become too leftie to be considered "neutral", at least from my PoV.

[Liriena]

General question: are there any journalist you know which are either freelancer or very neutral on their stance about the region that we ought to follow on social media?
Arguably Carlos Montero used to be one, but in the last few months he's become too leftie to be considered "neutral", at least from my PoV.

I feel like looking for "neutrality" is setting yourself up for a disappointment or a fraud. You'll certainly be able to find journalists who wear their convictions on their sleeve but do honest work nevertheless, though.

[Ifreann]

Well unfortunately there was a coup and he had to flee the country, so there's no possibility of any allegations against him having a fair hearing. Or do you think he should return to Bolivia and submit himself to the justice of the military who are no longer bound by the law and the government that is locking up members of his party for "sedition"?


So who the fuck do you think I am trying to prejudice? Do you imagine that there are people who are remotely politically aware who don't know about America's history of overthrowing South American governments?

And what kind of standards are you expecting us to operate under here? We can't talk about America's fondness for coups because that's not allowed in court, yet you are not remotely restricted in talking about alleged wrongdoing by Evo Morales.

It is more complicated than that as I have said many times.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washin ... utType=amp
It is not as simple as “the military forced him”.

It very much is as simple as that. There was a democratic solution available, Morales had agreed to the OAS recommendation to hold fresh elections, and despite this the military removed him from office.

But sure, he does not have to return until after the elections. He can stay in Mexico. Nobody is forcing him to leave Mexico.

If he returns to Bolivia he'll probably be killed, so if anything he's being forced to stay in Mexico.

Oh you can certainly point out the US has supported some coups in the past, but if you claim that is “evidence” the US is behind any coup, you are going to be called out for making a BS claim without sufficient evidence.

That the US has carried out coups in the past is perfectly adequate evidence that the US could have been involved in this coup.

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I wonder if its more the catholic or evangelical types.

A bit of both. The evangelical types have been making a lot of proselitism on the streets and politicians are beginning to court their vote though, so...

Scary stuff. I know "be gay do crime" is the motto but I really hope "be gay" and "do crime" won't become synonyms because the local neolibs developed an addiction to evangelical voters.

Be crime, do gay.

[Liriena]

Moving away from Bolivia, the debate over abortion and sex ed in Argentina is slowly but surely turning me into a Marxist-Leninist. I love democracy but holy fuck the religious right here is so hysterical and megalomaniacal about keeping kids ignorant and forcing them to carry even life-threatening pregnancies to term that I'm half-tempted to unironically support democratic centralism and reeducation camps.

They are gloating because our legislators keep stonewalling our integral sex ed law.

Liriena my Friend, since you support Bolivia's Evo, Venezuela's Maduro and Cuba's regime Fidel, Raúl and Diaz-Canel - which say We are the continuity of the revolution, I thought you are a leftist Marxist-Leninist of sorts? So it seems I have you figured out wrong?

What I have for Castro and Evo is critical support. I think of myself as an open-minded demsucc.

[Nakena]

A bit of both. The evangelical types have been making a lot of proselitism on the streets and politicians are beginning to court their vote though, so...

Scary stuff. I know "be gay do crime" is the motto but I really hope "be gay" and "do crime" won't become synonyms because the local neolibs developed an addiction to evangelical voters.

How likely is that to happen?

From what I know that certain christian circles appear already to be very upset over the "Green Movement" in a number of South American countries. Also, the recent events in Bolivia had as well a however small religious component.

[Greater Miami Shores]

General question: are there any journalist you know which are either freelancer or very neutral on their stance about the region that we ought to follow on social media?
Arguably Carlos Montero used to be one, but in the last few months he's become too leftie to be considered "neutral", at least from my PoV.

I feel like looking for "neutrality" is setting yourself up for a disappointment or a fraud. You'll certainly be able to find journalists who wear their convictions on their sleeve but do honest work nevertheless, though.

I think you mean as It relates to Bolivia, Venezuela, Chile, Peru, and even Cuba, they have substance on their work despite their respective right wing and leftists spins. the right spins it to the right and the left spins it tot the left, but they all have substance on their work. We just have to read between the lines the substance of their work, past their right wing and leftist spins.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Liriena my Friend, since you support Bolivia's Evo, Venezuela's Maduro and Cuba's regime Fidel, Raúl and Diaz-Canel - which say We are the continuity of the revolution, I thought you are a leftist Marxist-Leninist of sorts? So it seems I have you figured out wrong?

What I have for Castro and Evo is critical support. I think of myself as an open-minded demsucc.

Liriena my Friend, the Problem is, to the Venezuelan and Cuban revolutions, their is no critical support, either everyone supports the revolutions or everyone supports the revolutions, citizens and foreigners alike. No one is allowed to insult the eternal revolutions, like right wing Presidents Sebastián Piñera of Chile and Jair Bolsonaro of Brazil. Like my family still in Cuba.

The same can now be said of Evo's failed attempt to turn Bolivia into another eternal revolution like Venezuela and Cuba.

President Trump and I believe the eternal Cuban revolutionary regime of Cuba is behind the protests in Chile, Bolivia and all these other South American nations.

It is believed Cuban doctors in Bolivia who have been withdrawn by the new Bolivian democratic government and the eternal Cuban revolutionary military mafia government regime, were trying to finance leftist protests in Bolivia against their new democratic government. I plan to post about this on this thread with articles, links, videos and my interesting comments in the near future.

[Isles of Metanoia]

What I have for Castro and Evo is critical support. I think of myself as an open-minded demsucc.

Liriena my Friend, the Problem is, to the Venezuelan and Cuban revolutions, their is no critical support, either everyone supports the revolutions or everyone supports the revolutions, citizens and foreigners alike. No one is allowed to insult the eternal revolutions, like right wing Presidents Sebastián Piñera of Chile and Jair Bolsonaro of Brazil. Like my family still in Cuba.

The same can now be said of Evo's failed attempt to turn Bolivia into another eternal revolution like Venezuela and Cuba.

President Trump and I believe the eternal Cuban revolutionary regime of Cuba is behind the protests in Chile, Bolivia and all these other South American nations.

It is believed Cuban doctors in Bolivia who have been withdrawn by the new Bolivian democratic government and the eternal Cuban revolutionary military mafia government regime, were trying to finance leftist protests in Bolivia against their new democratic government. I plan to post about this on this thread with articles, links, videos and my interesting comments in the near future.

Ooooh we have an insider here, probably from Miami.

How's Havana these days? Frank Sinatra, the Mob, Fascists, Opus Dei and Communists tend to go circulate about in Cuba, the Gulf of Mexico and Florida.

Cacique!

I can identify an insider when I see one, especially since; La casa de Trump relocado to el ciudad de Miami.

[Isles of Metanoia]

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[Novus America]

Liriena my Friend, since you support Bolivia's Evo, Venezuela's Maduro and Cuba's regime Fidel, Raúl and Diaz-Canel - which say We are the continuity of the revolution, I thought you are a leftist Marxist-Leninist of sorts? So it seems I have you figured out wrong?

What I have for Castro and Evo is critical support. I think of myself as an open-minded demsucc.

Umm I can see Evo but Castro?

Evo despite his flaws was legitimately elected until the last election (which is disputed) and did have many economic and social achievements. And although he did take some steps to suppress opposition, there always were opposition parties and discussions, Bolivia was not a one party state. Anyone could access the internet and foreign news.
Bolivia did see a major economic boom under his rule, although it had slowed toward the end.

But Castro? Never permitted free and fair elections, banned all opposition parties, completely controlled the press, massively restricted access foreign media, and turned Cuba into an economic basket case. Also Castro was extremely hostile to the LGBT community in Cuba in the 60s and 70s.

How can any self proclaimed democratic socialist support a one party brutally authoritarian regime that has tortured and killed political opponents?

[Isles of Metanoia]

Domino meus deus ominpotentem advocato nostra tu pecatoribus americanae.

Como estas? La historia de Habana y Cuba es muy epico.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Liriena my Friend, the Problem is, to the Venezuelan and Cuban revolutions, their is no critical support, either everyone supports the revolutions or everyone supports the revolutions, citizens and foreigners alike. No one is allowed to insult the eternal revolutions, like right wing Presidents Sebastián Piñera of Chile and Jair Bolsonaro of Brazil. Like my family still in Cuba.

The same can now be said of Evo's failed attempt to turn Bolivia into another eternal revolution like Venezuela and Cuba.

President Trump and I believe the eternal Cuban revolutionary regime of Cuba is behind the protests in Chile, Bolivia and all these other South American nations.

It is believed Cuban doctors in Bolivia who have been withdrawn by the new Bolivian democratic government and the eternal Cuban revolutionary military mafia government regime, were trying to finance leftist protests in Bolivia against their new democratic government. I plan to post about this on this thread with articles, links, videos and my interesting comments in the near future.

Ooooh we have an insider here, probably from Miami.

How's Havana these days? Frank Sinatra, the Mob, Fascists, Opus Dei and Communists tend to go circulate about in Cuba, the Gulf of Mexico and Florida.

Cacique!

I can identify an insider when I see one, especially since; La casa de Trump relocado to el ciudad de Miami.

I happen to know what the word Cacique is and means in historical, current terms and Hispanic cultural terms. Like Colombia's El Gran Cacique Diomedes Díaz Pa que se respete, to honor him with respect, which I do and follow him.

I don't know what you mean by insider? I am a native Cuban and American citizen. I follow Cuban news almost every day, for obvious reasons I am very well informed on Cuba. I understand how the revolution thinks, acts and reacts.

What their is in Cuba today is the privileged governing military mafia elite living like rich capitalists as you describe above. By asking the Cuban people in Cuba like my family still in Cuba to make socialist sacrifices for the eternal revolution while they live like rich capitalists, as these Pics prove:
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=gre ... /id=844667

They do support communists socialist elements in Nicaragua, Venezuela, Bolivia, Chile, Ecuador, Peru, Argentina, Brazil, Puerto Rico, and all over Hispanic Latin America. lets be honest about it and not deny it. I am speaking to all my fellow nation persons on this thread. The Cuban revolutionary regime even admits it. This is why talking about Cuba on this thread is related to this thread.

[Isles of Metanoia]

Ooooh we have an insider here, probably from Miami.

How's Havana these days? Frank Sinatra, the Mob, Fascists, Opus Dei and Communists tend to go circulate about in Cuba, the Gulf of Mexico and Florida.

Cacique!

I can identify an insider when I see one, especially since; La casa de Trump relocado to el ciudad de Miami.

I happen to know what the word Cacique is and means in historical, current terms and Hispanic cultural terms. Like Colombia's El Gran Cacique Diomedes Díaz Pa que se respete, to honor him with respect, which I do and follow him.

I don't know what you mean by insider? I am a native Cuban and American citizen. I follow Cuban news almost every day, for obvious reasons I am very well informed on Cuba. I understand how the revolution thinks, acts and reacts.

What their is in Cuba today is the privileged governing military mafia elite living like rich capitalists as you describe above. By asking the Cuban people in Cuba like my family still in Cuba to make socialist sacrifices for the eternal revolution while they live like rich capitalists, as these Pics prove:
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=gre ... /id=844667

They do support communists socialist elements in Nicaragua, Venezuela, Bolivia, Chile, Ecuador, Peru, Argentina, Brazil, Puerto Rico, and all over Hispanic Latin America. lets be honest about it and not deny it. I am speaking to all my fellow nation persons on this thread. The Cuban revolutionary regime even admits it. This is why talking about Cuba on this thread is related to this thread.

Cuba is very romanticized in political circles.

If Bolivia falls and become transformed into a Communist state, maybe they will set their own version of ideology like how Communism has branched out from Marxism, to Stalinism, to Maoism and etc.

But which school of thought does the Castros adhere to? Or they want to form their own brand?

The First Prime Minister of Spain born in the Philippines; Marcelo Palmero Azcaragga married a Cuban BTW...

He was the husband of Margarita Fesser y Diago, a daughter of Edward also known as Don Eduardo Fesser y Kirchnair of the United States and Micaela Diago y Tato of Havana. They owned the Almacenes de Regla (Regla Warehouse) and Banco de Comercio and all the rail lines between Regla and Matanzas, then known as the Ferrocaril de la Bahia de la Habana.


We also have ancient Peruvian soldiers (Which Bolivia used to be a part of) in the Philippines specifically in Mindanao. The Spanish employed them since they have Vato against the very good warrior Muslims here too.

Not to be outdone, Filipinos helped in a revolution in Mexico too. Like with Heneral Isidoro Montes de Oca a Mexican of Filipino descent.

[Isles of Metanoia]

Pardon, Me es no bien as Diomedes Dias Pa pero me gusta tu canta.

Sorry for the mixed Spanish and English. America tried to replace Spanish with English here in the Philippines so I'm just making do with the leftover Spanish I know.

I'm not as good as him but I do like to sing.

https://youtu.be/Ro7JPM6VAME

[Greater Miami Shores]

Pardon, Me es no bien as Diomedes Dias Pa pero me gusta tu canta.

Sorry for the mixed Spanish and English. America tried to replace Spanish with English here in the Philippines so I'm just making do with the leftover Spanish I know.

I'm not as good as him but I do like to sing.

https://youtu.be/Ro7JPM6VAME

Thank you for post response to me, Colombia's Diomedes Dias Pa que se Respete to honor him with respect, is awesome.

[Torrocca]

Oh noes! Clearly, everyone knows that only true dictators would form an international committee to investigate election fraud! And, of course, only true dictators would seek to maintain their iron-fisted authoritarian rule via winning the majority of a vote in a free and fair election!

Please ignore the growing mountain of dead bodies being created in Bolivia by the new regime that went ahead and overthrew a democratically-elected government in a military coup, and let us continue to instead treat Morales as just as bad as the new regime instead.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I happen to know what the word Cacique is and means in historical, current terms and Hispanic cultural terms. Like Colombia's El Gran Cacique Diomedes Díaz Pa que se respete, to honor him with respect, which I do and follow him.

I don't know what you mean by insider? I am a native Cuban and American citizen. I follow Cuban news almost every day, for obvious reasons I am very well informed on Cuba. I understand how the revolution thinks, acts and reacts.

What their is in Cuba today is the privileged governing military mafia elite living like rich capitalists as you describe above. By asking the Cuban people in Cuba like my family still in Cuba to make socialist sacrifices for the eternal revolution while they live like rich capitalists, as these Pics prove:
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=gre ... /id=844667

They do support communists socialist elements in Nicaragua, Venezuela, Bolivia, Chile, Ecuador, Peru, Argentina, Brazil, Puerto Rico, and all over Hispanic Latin America. lets be honest about it and not deny it. I am speaking to all my fellow nation persons on this thread. The Cuban revolutionary regime even admits it. This is why talking about Cuba on this thread is related to this thread.

Cuba is very romanticized in political circles.

If Bolivia falls and become transformed into a Communist state, maybe they will set their own version of ideology like how Communism has branched out from Marxism, to Stalinism, to Maoism and etc.

But which school of thought does the Castros adhere to? Or they want to form their own brand?

The First Prime Minister of Spain born in the Philippines; Marcelo Palmero Azcaragga married a Cuban BTW...

He was the husband of Margarita Fesser y Diago, a daughter of Edward also known as Don Eduardo Fesser y Kirchnair of the United States and Micaela Diago y Tato of Havana. They owned the Almacenes de Regla (Regla Warehouse) and Banco de Comercio and all the rail lines between Regla and Matanzas, then known as the Ferrocaril de la Bahia de la Habana.


We also have ancient Peruvian soldiers (Which Bolivia used to be a part of) in the Philippines specifically in Mindanao. The Spanish employed them since they have Vato against the very good warrior Muslims here too.

Not to be outdone, Filipinos helped in a revolution in Mexico too. Like with Heneral Isidoro Montes de Oca a Mexican of Filipino descent.

As a native Cuban, Thank you for the information on España La Madre Patria's first Prime Minister of Spain born in the Philippines; Marcelo Palmero Azcaragga married a Cuban BTW... I did not know this awesome fact until now. I will look up more information on him online when I have a chance too.

If Bolivia or any other nation in the world falls and becomes another Cuba, so called communist socialist nation. It will be an undemocratic eternal revolution, it has been practiced all over the world. The Cuban regime still supports revolutions all over the world like in Colombia, Brazil, Bolivia, Chile, Peru, Ecuador, Argentina, Puerto Rico and all over Hispanic Latin America and the world to one extent or another, don't be fooled by them and their propagandas. I am speaking to all my fellow nations persons on this thread and on nation states.

We will see millions of political economic refugees all over the world like the Cubans and the Venezuelans. The fist to leave will be the upper class and the middle class, followed by the working class and the poor class like in Cuba and Venezuela.

Far worse than if Evo Morales had succeeded in Bolivia of joining Maduro, Fidel, Raúl and Diaz-Canel of Cuba as eternal undemocratic dictators, no matter what ideology they call themselves. They and the privileged governing elite would live like rich capitalists while demanding socialist sacrifices from the people for the eternal revolutions like in Cuba and Venezuela as these Cuba Pics prove: I see at least 2 persons have clicked like as in lol anti regime, and o against. I see at least the viewer ship went from 134 to 136 so far:
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=gre ... /id=844667

As a native Cuban and American citizen I am being very honest about my post above. Related to the topic of this thread.

[Ifreann]

Oh noes! Clearly, everyone knows that only true dictators would form an international committee to investigate election fraud! And, of course, only true dictators would seek to maintain their iron-fisted authoritarian rule via winning the majority of a vote in a free and fair election!

Please ignore the growing mountain of dead bodies being created in Bolivia by the new regime that went ahead and overthrew a democratically-elected government in a military coup, and let us continue to instead treat Morales as just as bad as the new regime instead.

A far right military dictatorship murdering people is no big deal compared to a leftist possibly having done something bad maybe.