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Postby Pridelantic people » Wed Dec 27, 2023 1:53 pm

suriname former handed 20 year jail sentence
Dutch embassy in Suriname warns about unrest over ex-president Bouterse's murder trial
High Court sentences former Suriname leader Bouterse to 20 years for December Murders

Suriname’s ex-dictator faces final verdict in 1982 killings of political opponents. Some fear unrest
PARAMARIBO, Suriname (AP) — Suriname’s former dictator will face a final verdict this month in the years-long judicial process over the 1982 killings of 15 political opponents that deeply scarred the South American country.

Desi Bouterse and two dozen others were accused of rounding up well-known people including lawyers, journalists and a university professor and executing them in a colonial fortress in the capital, Paramaribo.

Bouterse, who remains chair of the National Democratic Party, is scheduled to appear in court on Dec. 20 along with four other suspects. The 78-year-old former leader is the main suspect, having been convicted twice in the killings. He has accepted “political responsibility” for them but insists he was not present for them.


The relatives of those killed and Surinamese who remember what are known as the “December murders” say they want those responsible to be held accountable.


Suriname’s ex-dictator sentenced to 20 years in prison for the 1982 killings of political opponents
“It is a wound in the community. You can’t get away from it,” said Sanjai Debipersad, a 54-year-old consultant. “I want truth and justice.”

But some fear a final conviction of Bouterse in the long and involved case could lead to unrest. And some too young to remember the killings say the country should just move on instead.

The criminal trial began in 2007, a quarter-century after the events it relates to.

“It has been dragging on for 41 years now,” said Betty Goede, chairperson of the Organization for Justice and Peace, which represents relatives.


Bouterse led a bloodless coup to become dictator from 1980 to 1987 and was democratically elected president from 2010 to 2020.

He unsuccessfully tried to push through an amnesty law after being elected in 2010. Then in 2016, he ordered Suriname’s attorney general to halt legal proceedings for alleged national security reasons. A court rejected that.

In November 2019, Bouterse was sentenced in absentia to 20 years but appealed, arguing that he had not attended any court hearings. He lost and was convicted again in August 2021. He used his final appeal to fight that verdict, and a court will rule on Dec. 20.

At a hearing in July, Bouterse said that whatever verdict is issued, “I’m ready for it.”

But when he spoke to journalists afterward, he joked that he could still ask the “king” for a pardon if convicted, referring to Surinamese Vice President Ronnie Brunswijk, who recently received a symbolic award as monarch of the African diaspora by a council of African cultural leaders.

Brunswijk once served as Bouterse’s bodyguard until he turned against him and led a violent, six-year armed uprising that was ultimately unsuccessful.

If Bouterse is convicted, some fear riots in parts of Suriname. Die-hard supporters call him “boss” and maintain they will not accept a conviction. Bouterse has urged calm several times.

The Bouterse family has caused discomfort among some in Suriname. In an unrelated case, Bouterse was convicted in absentia of drug trafficking by a court in the Netherlands in 1999. His son, Dino Bouterse, was sentenced to more than 16 years in prison in the U.S. after admitting he offered a home base in Suriname to the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah.

Rani Sohansingh, whose brother Robby Sohansingh was among those killed in 1982, said Bouterse and other suspects should not receive any pardons or reduced sentences.

“Otherwise, Suriname would make an immortal fool of itself, both nationally and internationally, by treating the perpetrators differently than another criminal convicted of murder, after a criminal trial lasting more than 16 years,” she said.

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On Dec. 8, she and others whose relatives were killed attended an annual ceremony to honor them, lighting candles and saying prayers.

But those asking for justice are largely middle-aged and elderly Surinamese who remember the killings. Some in the younger generation say Suriname should just move on.

“The country is in bad shape, and we better focus our attention there. This is of no use to us,” said 17-year-old Librado Abati. “I hope there won’t be any unrest.”

Joel Akaamba, 29, said his parents told him about the killings, but he believes Bouterse should not face legal proceedings.

“It is also not good for the country. We are already in a crisis, and unrest is only going to make it worse,” Akaamba said. “Let them leave him alone until he has to face God.”

A total of 25 suspects were initially accused in the killings. A dozen have been acquitted, six have died and five have been sentenced. Two have been convicted but are believed to have fled Suriname.

Sunil Oemrawsingh, whose brother Sugrim was among the victims, said he will follow the legal proceedings to the end.

“May this moment of judgment mark not only the end of a legal process, but also the beginning of a new phase in our history,” he said.

Suriname’s ex-dictator sentenced to 20 years in prison for the 1982 killings of political opponents
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Postby Ayytaly » Sun Dec 31, 2023 7:20 pm

I see Mexico is not too fond of Haitians.
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Postby Democratic Socialist State of Barbados » Mon Jan 01, 2024 6:50 am

Ayytaly wrote:I see Mexico is not too fond of Haitians.

nobody in the caribbean is fond of working class haitians, it's mostly xenohobia and classism not racism.

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Postby El Lazaro » Mon Jan 01, 2024 10:26 am

Democratic Socialist State of Barbados wrote:
Ayytaly wrote:I see Mexico is not too fond of Haitians.

nobody in the caribbean is fond of working class haitians, it's mostly xenohobia and classism not racism.

Classism and nativism, famous for never overlapping with racism. :roll:

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Postby Fahran » Mon Jan 01, 2024 1:32 pm

Ayytaly wrote:I see Mexico is not too fond of Haitians.

Anti-blackness is a problem throughout much of Latin America.

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Postby Port Carverton » Mon Jan 01, 2024 2:04 pm

Fahran wrote:
Ayytaly wrote:I see Mexico is not too fond of Haitians.

Anti-blackness is a problem throughout much of Latin America.

I saw an Argentinian that supported TND on Twitter about a week ago

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Postby Ayytaly » Mon Jan 01, 2024 9:17 pm

Democratic Socialist State of Barbados wrote:
Ayytaly wrote:I see Mexico is not too fond of Haitians.

nobody in the caribbean is fond of working class haitians, it's mostly xenohobia and classism not racism.


The Dominicans loathe them for valid reasons.

Fahran wrote:
Ayytaly wrote:I see Mexico is not too fond of Haitians.

Anti-blackness is a problem throughout much of Latin America.


Moreso than anti-indigenism?

Port Carverton wrote:
Fahran wrote:Anti-blackness is a problem throughout much of Latin America.

I saw an Argentinian that supported TND on Twitter about a week ago


Must be a relative of mine :lol2:
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Postby -Astoria- » Mon Jan 01, 2024 9:45 pm

Ayytaly wrote:I see Mexico is not too fond of Haitians.

Most of Haiti's neighbours are already not too fond of it, though.
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Postby Democratic Socialist State of Barbados » Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:44 am

T&T former PM Panday passes away at 90, on new year's day

MP's daughter granted bail for drug and money laundering charges

https://www.nationnews.com/2023/12/27/no-blessing-sex-unions/
Roman Catholic priests in Barbados will not bless same sex unions as the church continues to oppose same sex marriage.

Vicar General of the Diocese of Bridgetown, Father Clement Paul, made the declaration yesterday as he sought to clear the air on Pope Francis’ recent pronouncement on blessings for same sex couples.

“No Catholic church in Barbados is blessing gay unions. Pope Francis, in asking that we could and should bless people in gay unions, made it quite clear to us that we were not to discriminate against individuals. He also made it quite clear that the blessing is not to be a blessing on same sex unions because we cannot bless gay marriages because it’s against the word of God and it’s against the Bible and it’s against the very understanding of marriage,” he said.

Recently, the Vatican announced that the Pope had given the green light for Catholic priests to bless same sex couples, a shift in policy which has made the church more inclusive even though it stands by its strict ban on gay marriage. (AH)


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Incoming CARICOM chairman says regional security critical matter

burglar broke into deputy PM constituency office because he was hungry

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Postby Fahran » Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:07 pm

Ayytaly wrote:Moreso than anti-indigenism?

It's difficult to say. Both are pretty substantial problems depending on the country in question. The boundaries of race and ethnicity being more flexible in Latin America compared to the American South has engendered a largely false impression that such issues don't exist and that a post-racial society has been achieved. In spite of the claims of certain Mexican revolutionaries and those who idealize Brazil or Cuba, that's not really an accurate assessment.

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Postby Diuhon » Wed Jan 03, 2024 7:58 am

didn't know you've become a mod, fahran

suits you well

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Postby Ayytaly » Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:37 pm

Fahran wrote:
Ayytaly wrote:Moreso than anti-indigenism?

It's difficult to say. Both are pretty substantial problems depending on the country in question. The boundaries of race and ethnicity being more flexible in Latin America compared to the American South has engendered a largely false impression that such issues don't exist and that a post-racial society has been achieved. In spite of the claims of certain Mexican revolutionaries and those who idealize Brazil or Cuba, that's not really an accurate assessment.


Which demo receives more attention from European diasporas?
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Postby Democratic Socialist State of Barbados » Sun Jan 07, 2024 6:38 am

Minister of Sate Dr. Sonia Browne resigns

Matter is closed PM scoffs at calls to fire her deputy and finally another cabinet reshuffle announced by Mia
This is probably the 3rd or 4th cabinet reshuffle she has done. I actually sensed something like this was coming before December, was mostly expecting another general election.

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Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:33 am

Amazon deforestation rate in Brazil dropped by 50% in 2023 compared to the previous year. Benefit of not having Bolsonaro in charge.
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Postby Fahran » Sat Jan 13, 2024 2:17 pm

Ayytaly wrote:Which demo receives more attention from European diasporas?

I intend to do a deeper dive into this question, but that's going to require me to dust off a couple of my old studies to refresh my knowledge in this area.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 15, 2024 8:26 am

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:Amazon deforestation rate in Brazil dropped by 50% in 2023 compared to the previous year. Benefit of not having Bolsonaro in charge.


Proof elections have consequences.

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Postby Skeckoa » Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:42 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:Amazon deforestation rate in Brazil dropped by 50% in 2023 compared to the previous year. Benefit of not having Bolsonaro in charge.


Proof elections have consequences.


Either we chop down the Amazon faster or we chop it down slower 8)
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Jan 19, 2024 4:38 pm

Skeckoa wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Proof elections have consequences.


Either we chop down the Amazon faster or we chop it down slower 8)


50 percent is a huge drop.

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Postby The H Corporation » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:42 am

Ayytaly wrote:I see Mexico is not too fond of Haitians.

I found it laughable that Mexicans would be racist toward immigrants, it comes from the fear most illegal immigrants would settle here to be thugs and do crime.

Like I understand but they exaggerate to the point of doing racism (clasism, nativism are in general racism in my opinion). What is funny about it is when this is done to Mexican immigrants in the US they complain and cry about their paisas being treated wrongly
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Postby Ayytaly » Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:56 pm

Fahran wrote:
Ayytaly wrote:Which demo receives more attention from European diasporas?

I intend to do a deeper dive into this question, but that's going to require me to dust off a couple of my old studies to refresh my knowledge in this area.


Okay bro.

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Ayytaly wrote:I see Mexico is not too fond of Haitians.

I found it laughable that Mexicans would be racist toward immigrants, it comes from the fear most illegal immigrants would settle here to be thugs and do crime.

Like I understand but they exaggerate to the point of doing racism (clasism, nativism are in general racism in my opinion). What is funny about it is when this is done to Mexican immigrants in the US they complain and cry about their paisas being treated wrongly


Didn't Haitians set a house on fire?
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Postby The H Corporation » Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:14 pm

Ayytaly wrote:
Fahran wrote:I intend to do a deeper dive into this question, but that's going to require me to dust off a couple of my old studies to refresh my knowledge in this area.


Okay bro.

The H Corporation wrote:I found it laughable that Mexicans would be racist toward immigrants, it comes from the fear most illegal immigrants would settle here to be thugs and do crime.

Like I understand but they exaggerate to the point of doing racism (clasism, nativism are in general racism in my opinion). What is funny about it is when this is done to Mexican immigrants in the US they complain and cry about their paisas being treated wrongly


Didn't Haitians set a house on fire?

The only thing I have found out is camping houses of immigrants being burned down and some piñatas of dictators of Central America and the Caribbean
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Postby El Lazaro » Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:18 am

Congrats to Nayib Bukele for narrowly winning with 90% of votes cast! Today marks a new day, where innocent civilians are not terrorized by gangsters with tattoos but gangsters with badges, where the government is not controlled by corrupt FMLN/ARENA loyalists but corrupt Bukele loyalists, etc. Anyone with reservations about the circumstances of the election must realize that if the President-for-Life stops wiping his ass with the Constitution of El Salvador, someone with more moral qualms and a worse marketing team could come along, which would make many people very unhappy.

What the rest of the world needs to understand is that narco-trafficking is a form of terrorism: it won’t stop until you drone strike every adult, teenage, and elderly male in the country. In that respect, not only is suspending all human rights for the next century or so necessary, but additional measures are clearly needed to show who’s boss when it comes to committing atrocities against impoverished brown kids. Imagine how much safer people would feel if, instead sentencing 2% of the population to life in prison and leaving extrajudicial killings out of official numbers, Bukele set an annual execution quota of 2% of the population. That’s the utopian future that George Soros and the liberal media cabal are trying to stop.
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Postby The H Corporation » Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:16 pm

El Lazaro wrote:What the rest of the world needs to understand is that narco-trafficking is a form of terrorism: it won’t stop until you drone strike every adult, teenage, and elderly male in the country.

This, this is a very based take on how to deal with narcos. Giving Narcos life-long sentences won't do anything, it is better to kill those mfs until there is no one left, it is the only solution, the bloodiest one for sure.
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Postby Bradfordville » Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:20 pm

The H Corporation wrote:
Ayytaly wrote:I see Mexico is not too fond of Haitians.

I found it laughable that Mexicans would be racist toward immigrants, it comes from the fear most illegal immigrants would settle here to be thugs and do crime.

Like I understand but they exaggerate to the point of doing racism (clasism, nativism are in general racism in my opinion). What is funny about it is when this is done to Mexican immigrants in the US they complain and cry about their paisas being treated wrongly


It's nothing new honestly. It's like how Mexico loves to adopt (appropriate) native American culture and imagery, but then treats actual native americans like dog shit. It genuinely offends me when I see some Mexican Americans cosplaying as Aztec warriors on cinco de mayo, but these guys are clearly of mostly Spanish heritage, do not know a native language, and would be privileged in Mexican society in ways that natives are not.

Just like the US, Mexico also has issues with prejudice and discrimination. It's been that way since the colonization.
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