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Postby Atlantic Federalist Republic » Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:13 pm

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Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:What?


I looked at the result by province on Wikipedia and its never voted for a losing candidate for President. It is the bellwether state.

Oh...
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:14 pm

Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:
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I looked at the result by province on Wikipedia and its never voted for a losing candidate for President. It is the bellwether state.

Oh...


I looked at every Brazilian election since 1985. They have never been wrong. Precedents can change though.

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Postby Atlantic Federalist Republic » Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:16 pm

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Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:Oh...


I looked at every Brazilian election since 1985. They have never been wrong. Precedents can change though.

Yea
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Postby Wallowis » Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:19 pm

Not Latin American, but for all its worth I personally hope Lula wins.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:20 pm

Wallowis wrote:Not Latin American, but for all its worth I personally hope Lula wins.


I hope so too. if Bolsonaro wins the Amazon will cease to exist.

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Postby Shrillland » Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:20 pm

35.5% in:

Bolsonaro: 47.3%
Lula: 43.9%
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Postby Atlantic Federalist Republic » Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:20 pm

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Wallowis wrote:Not Latin American, but for all its worth I personally hope Lula wins.


I hope so too. if Bolsonaro wins the Amazon will cease to exist.

Honestly, I see that your opinion really doesn't change.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:21 pm

Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:
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I hope so too. if Bolsonaro wins the Amazon will cease to exist.

Honestly, I see that your opinion really doesn't change.


its the truth. He doesn't care about it at all.

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Postby Atlantic Federalist Republic » Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:22 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:Honestly, I see that your opinion really doesn't change.


its the truth. He doesn't care about it at all.


Did you know that Lula has already reached levels of fires in the Amazon greater than Bolsonaro?
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Postby Cuba 2022 RP » Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:35 pm

Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
its the truth. He doesn't care about it at all.


Did you know that Lula has already reached levels of fires in the Amazon greater than Bolsonaro?

(Wallowis here) I feel like that’s a misleading statistic, if it’s true at all.
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Postby Shrillland » Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:36 pm

Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
its the truth. He doesn't care about it at all.


Did you know that Lula has already reached levels of fires in the Amazon greater than Bolsonaro?

Aye, but Bolsonaro did rapidly expand the authorisation of land clearances to such an extent that the Amazon as a whole is no longer a carbon sink but a net contributor. I get that farmers want more land and that Brazil is looking to be the world's granary/butcher shop, but there's no point in having all that farmland if climate change ends up making the whole northern half of the country uninhabitable and inhospitable to agriculture.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:38 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:
Did you know that Lula has already reached levels of fires in the Amazon greater than Bolsonaro?

Aye, but Bolsonaro did rapidly expand the authorisation of land clearances to such an extent that the Amazon as a whole is no longer a carbon sink but a net contributor. I get that farmers want more land and that Brazil is looking to be the world's granary/butcher shop, but there's no point in having all that farmland if climate change ends up making the whole northern half of the country uninhabitable and inhospitable to agriculture.


If he is reelected it will no longer exist.

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Postby Atlantic Federalist Republic » Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:38 pm

Cuba 2022 RP wrote:
Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:
Did you know that Lula has already reached levels of fires in the Amazon greater than Bolsonaro?

(Wallowis here) I feel like that’s a misleading statistic, if it’s true at all.

https://veja.abril.com.br/brasil/desmat ... hc-e-lula/
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Postby Shrillland » Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:44 pm

Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:
Cuba 2022 RP wrote:(Wallowis here) I feel like that’s a misleading statistic, if it’s true at all.

https://veja.abril.com.br/brasil/desmat ... hc-e-lula/


Well, it does certainly show that Lula was worse during his previous tenure as President, but it also shows that the PT under Rousseff cut down a lot less(as did Temer and the MDB). We'll see what he does if he wins, and the race is narrowing yet again.
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Postby Atlantic Federalist Republic » Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:45 pm

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Well, it does certainly show that Lula was worse during his previous tenure as President, but it also shows that the PT under Rousseff cut down a lot less(as did Temer and the MDB). We'll see what he does if he wins, and the race is narrowing yet again.


If he barely cared about it in his first term, I highly doubt he will care in a second term, not to mention the countless corruption scandals.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:45 pm

Shrillland wrote:


Well, it does certainly show that Lula was worse during his previous tenure as President, but it also shows that the PT under Rousseff cut down a lot less(as did Temer and the MDB). We'll see what he does if he wins, and the race is narrowing yet again.


if there is a runoff its going to get very ugly but it seems at this point its likely.
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Postby Shrillland » Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:50 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Well, it does certainly show that Lula was worse during his previous tenure as President, but it also shows that the PT under Rousseff cut down a lot less(as did Temer and the MDB). We'll see what he does if he wins, and the race is narrowing yet again.


if there is a runoff its going to get very ugly but it seems at this point its likely.


It al boils down to whom Tebet chooses. She's got 4.5% of the vote so far, to go to Bolsonaro would put him over the top. On the other hand, going to Lula means he'll have a pretty broad coalition of parties already.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:52 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
if there is a runoff its going to get very ugly but it seems at this point its likely.


It al boils down to whom Tebet chooses. She's got 4.5% of the vote so far, to go to Bolsonaro would put him over the top. On the other hand, going to Lula means he'll have a pretty broad coalition of parties already.

The next month in Brazil will be extremely ugly. Bolsonaro is following in a former President's footsteps by sowing doubt about the election and spreading lies.

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Postby Atlantic Federalist Republic » Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:53 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
if there is a runoff its going to get very ugly but it seems at this point its likely.


It al boils down to whom Tebet chooses. She's got 4.5% of the vote so far, to go to Bolsonaro would put him over the top. On the other hand, going to Lula means he'll have a pretty broad coalition of parties already.

I assume it's much more likely that Tebet is on the fence, her and Soraya's campaign was built on collective hatred against both candidates.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:53 pm

Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
It al boils down to whom Tebet chooses. She's got 4.5% of the vote so far, to go to Bolsonaro would put him over the top. On the other hand, going to Lula means he'll have a pretty broad coalition of parties already.

I assume it's much more likely that Tebet is on the fence, her and Soraya's campaign was built on collective hatred against both candidates.


If she is smart she will endorse Lula.

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Postby Atlantic Federalist Republic » Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:54 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:I assume it's much more likely that Tebet is on the fence, her and Soraya's campaign was built on collective hatred against both candidates.


If she is smart she will endorse Lula.

LOL
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:55 pm

Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:
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If she is smart she will endorse Lula.

LOL


what's funny about that?

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Postby Atlantic Federalist Republic » Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:56 pm

Things are getting tight now, Bolsonaro with 45.8% and Lula with 45.3%
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Postby Atlantic Federalist Republic » Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:57 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:LOL


what's funny about that?


The fact of supporting a corrupt is now considered intelligence
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Postby Shrillland » Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:57 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:LOL


what's funny about that?


Well, he just said that she hates both of them, so her sitting on the fence and letting her voters make their own choice and reasonable enough.
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