Latin America General : Corona Carnaval

[Atlantic Federalist Republic]

A liberal agreeing with a far-righter? Who could have foreseen this!?

I mean... I know dozens of left-wing intellectuals who unironically agree with a Nazi on certain crucial points of political and legal philosophy. People with different paradigms can arrive at similar positions for very different reasons.

Leftists are much more authoritarian and even totalitarian than other people, and the funniest thing: They think they're not lol

[Umeria]

I mean... I know dozens of left-wing intellectuals who unironically agree with a Nazi on certain crucial points of political and legal philosophy. People with different paradigms can arrive at similar positions for very different reasons.

Leftists are much more authoritarian and even totalitarian than other people, and the funniest thing: They think they're not lol

Well at least we don't support violently overthrowing democratically elected governments whenever they disagree with the Pentagon

[Atlantic Federalist Republic]

Leftists are much more authoritarian and even totalitarian than other people, and the funniest thing: They think they're not lol

Well at least we don't support violently overthrowing democratically elected governments whenever they disagree with the Pentagon

But they support a regime that purposely starved thousands of people

What's the worst?

[The Jamesian Republic]

A liberal agreeing with a far-righter? Who could have foreseen this!?

In reference to me?

[Umeria]

Well at least we don't support violently overthrowing democratically elected governments whenever they disagree with the Pentagon

But they support a regime that purposely starved thousands of people

What's the worst?

I guess it depends on how you measure it. In terms of raw numbers, right wing violence has a higher death count, but you could say that's because they've had more chances at it.

[Atlantic Federalist Republic]

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I advise you to go in front of a police officer to do this.

Oops, I actually meant I don't recommend it... I'll ignore it anyway. Are you following me or what?

[Atlantic Federalist Republic]

But they support a regime that purposely starved thousands of people

What's the worst?

I guess it depends on how you measure it. In terms of raw numbers, right wing violence has a higher death count, but you could say that's because they've had more chances at it.

But, socialism promises equality to all, when in fact, the countries that tried to follow it, today are in a much more favorable situation for the members of the communist party and the elite, than for the workers. In China there is no minimum wage, I base it on that.

[Atlantic Federalist Republic]

I advise you to go in front of a police officer to do this.

Oops, I actually meant I don't recommend it... I'll ignore it anyway. Are you following me or what?

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DONT WORRY IT LEGAL IN CALI

My God, I laughed at this. LOL

[Arisyan]

Don't reply to the spam. It makes the mods jobs a lot harder.

[Atlantic Federalist Republic]

Don't reply to the spam. It makes the mods jobs a lot harder.

I won't, I'll just ignore it, just out of fear lol

I feel like I'm being followed.

CIA?

[Fahran]

Leftists are much more authoritarian and even totalitarian than other people, and the funniest thing: They think they're not lol

That's not really the point I was making there. My point was more that agreeing with a Nazi or Fascist on a couple issues does not necessarily make you a Nazi or Fascist, especially if those issues aren't related to totalitarianism, definitions of political enmity, or genocide. And, really, even that might not be indicative depending on how you define your terms. Because Stalin pretty much checked all of the boxes I mentioned for why Fascism and Nazism are bad. But, yeah, some leftist intellectuals have taken to quoting Carl Schmitt in lectures. Since he offers a credible critique of liberal parliamentary democracy. You can't tell a lot from a single point of agreement between a liberal and a nationalist necessarily. I was just giving a reminder about that. It wasn't a clever gotcha. I have a smooth koala brain and am incapable of such mischief.

Well at least we don't support violently overthrowing democratically elected governments whenever they disagree with the Pentagon

Well, yeah. Because, historically, y'all supported violently overthrowing democratically elected governments whenever they disagreed with the Kremlin. Imperialism is bad whichever way it's cutting, but has largely been inescapable if you're living in a non-industrialized country with political divisions of any sort. 'Cause the US, USSR, China, France, or UK will offer support to one side or the other. The US won in Latin America with Operation Condor and killed tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, in the process. That, together with Monroe Doctrine shenanigans, inspired a lot of the current resentment. Had the USSR won the Cold War, that would have produced resentment going the other way and would have put a lot of countries on the chopping block as well. Because that's how imperialist power struggles work.

[Umeria]

Well at least we don't support violently overthrowing democratically elected governments whenever they disagree with the Pentagon

Well, yeah. Because, historically, y'all supported violently overthrowing democratically elected governments whenever they disagreed with the Kremlin. Imperialism is bad whichever way it's cutting, but has largely been inescapable if you're living in a non-industrialized country with political divisions of any sort. 'Cause the US, USSR, China, France, or UK will offer support to one side or the other. The US won in Latin America with Operation Condor and killed tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, in the process. That, together with Monroe Doctrine shenanigans, inspired a lot of the current resentment. Had the USSR won the Cold War, that would have produced resentment going the other way and would have put a lot of countries on the chopping block as well. Because that's how imperialist power struggles work.

I guess I disagree with my historical self?? Because coups are bad regardless of which world power is doing the coup. I suppose you could say I focus more on the actions of the US, but that's because I live here.

[Fahran]

I guess I disagree with my historical self?? Because coups are bad regardless of which world power is doing the coup. I suppose you could say I focus more on the actions of the US, but that's because I live here.

I mean... it's fair to focus more on the US because they had more success in their coups as well. The USSR has been effectively neutralized as a threat to sovereignty in Latin America. The US is probably the main threat at this point. With China as a distant second.

I'm mostly pointing out that lefties aren't really blameless in this either. I wasn't targeting you specifically, just as I didn't take you for targeting our colleague specifically. If I mistook your point there though, that's my mistake.

[Umeria]

I guess I disagree with my historical self?? Because coups are bad regardless of which world power is doing the coup. I suppose you could say I focus more on the actions of the US, but that's because I live here.

I mean... it's fair to focus more on the US because they had more success in their coups as well. The USSR has been effectively neutralized as a threat to sovereignty in Latin America. The US is probably the main threat at this point. With China as a distant second.

I'm mostly pointing out that lefties aren't really blameless in this either. I wasn't targeting you specifically, just as I didn't take you for targeting our colleague specifically. If I mistook your point there though, that's my mistake.

Your point is fair; we all need to resist the urge to cheer on a team rather than look at things objectively.

[Arisyan]

Leftists are much more authoritarian and even totalitarian than other people, and the funniest thing: They think they're not lol

That's not really the point I was making there. My point was more that agreeing with a Nazi or Fascist on a couple issues does not necessarily make you a Nazi or Fascist, especially if those issues aren't related to totalitarianism, definitions of political enmity, or genocide. And, really, even that might not be indicative depending on how you define your terms. Because Stalin pretty much checked all of the boxes I mentioned for why Fascism and Nazism are bad. But, yeah, some leftist intellectuals have taken to quoting Carl Schmitt in lectures. Since he offers a credible critique of liberal parliamentary democracy. You can't tell a lot from a single point of agreement between a liberal and a nationalist necessarily. I was just giving a reminder about that. It wasn't a clever gotcha. I have a smooth koala brain and am incapable of such mischief.

I was more or less making the point that liberals tend to agree with and sometimes even prop up far-right regimes because there are less differences between their ideologies than most think. However I probably could have made that more clear in the post and honestly I don't really know what I was trying to say specifically. I should probably proof-read my posts more often.

[Fahran]

I was more or less making the point that liberals tend to agree with and sometimes even prop up far-right regimes because there are less differences between their ideologies than most think. However I probably could have made that more clear in the post and honestly I don't really know what I was trying to say specifically. I should probably proof-read my posts more often.

Fair enough. My own point was that illiberal ideologies often have somewhat similar critiques of liberalism even when desiring completely different ideological underpinnings for states. Like socialists academics agreeing with Carl Schmitt - a member of the Nazi Party.

[Atlantic Federalist Republic]

I was more or less making the point that liberals tend to agree with and sometimes even prop up far-right regimes because there are less differences between their ideologies than most think. However I probably could have made that more clear in the post and honestly I don't really know what I was trying to say specifically. I should probably proof-read my posts more often.

Fair enough. My own point was that illiberal ideologies often have somewhat similar critiques of liberalism even when desiring completely different ideological underpinnings for states. Like socialists academics agreeing with Carl Schmitt - a member of the Nazi Party.

Sometimes the world is hypocritical and incomprehensible.
Sometimes it makes more sense than ever.

[Shrillland]

Since this is technically also the Caribbean thread: St. Vincent and the Grenadines may launch second attempt at becoming a republic

[Arisyan]

Since this is technically also the Caribbean thread: St. Vincent and the Grenadines may launch second attempt at becoming a republic

One small problem with that is the fact that the NDP is avowedly pro-commonwealth and monarchist, and they actually managed to win the popular vote in the last election. Now, that's not to say all of their supporters are monarchist but they could try and block it in the House.

[Arisyan]

Any more info on the constitutional referendum in Chile? I haven't been able to access polls after May.

[Superlols]

The people have already been assigned their places for voting and the ones that will supervice the election have already been choosen, we are making the last preparations for the 4 of september, the polls show that the mayority of the votes go for the rejection of the new constitution and the national news channels say the mayority of the votes will go to the approval of the new constitution, tensions are rising on the streets and on the social platforms as well

[Shrillland]

Any more info on the constitutional referendum in Chile? I haven't been able to access polls after May.

Here's the Spanish-language Wiki page, and it has No averaging an 8-10 point lead throughout the month

If it is rejected, no one's sure what will happen. Ironically, the voters are going to reject this because they want more immediate action on things like the economy even though the new constitution's needed because the current one keeps the government from taking the actions that are necessary.

[Pasong Tirad]

Any more info on the constitutional referendum in Chile? I haven't been able to access polls after May.

Here's the Spanish-language Wiki page, and it has No averaging an 8-10 point lead throughout the month

If it is rejected, no one's sure what will happen. Ironically, the voters are going to reject this because they want more immediate action on things like the economy even though the new constitution's needed because the current one keeps the government from taking the actions that are necessary.

Poll tracker from earlier this month. Unless there's any new trends occurring that could massively shift voters' opinions, the proposed constitution will likely be rejected. But it does seem that many folks who want to reject the constitution want there to be "a fresh process to create a new constitution," which may indicate either that the current Constitutional Convention may be forced to just write a new draft, or the current convention may be replaced in a new election with different delegates who will have to carry that burden.

[Arisyan]

Here's the Spanish-language Wiki page, and it has No averaging an 8-10 point lead throughout the month

If it is rejected, no one's sure what will happen. Ironically, the voters are going to reject this because they want more immediate action on things like the economy even though the new constitution's needed because the current one keeps the government from taking the actions that are necessary.

Poll tracker from earlier this month. Unless there's any new trends occurring that could massively shift voters' opinions, the proposed constitution will likely be rejected. But it does seem that many folks who want to reject the constitution want there to be "a fresh process to create a new constitution," which may indicate either that the current Constitutional Convention may be forced to just write a new draft, or the current convention may be replaced in a new election with different delegates who will have to carry that burden.

Hopefully they don't just give up on creating a new constitution and re-draft it instead of throwing it away. Boric has until 2027 to complete his agenda, hopefully he does.

[Shrillland]

Poll tracker from earlier this month. Unless there's any new trends occurring that could massively shift voters' opinions, the proposed constitution will likely be rejected. But it does seem that many folks who want to reject the constitution want there to be "a fresh process to create a new constitution," which may indicate either that the current Constitutional Convention may be forced to just write a new draft, or the current convention may be replaced in a new election with different delegates who will have to carry that burden.

Hopefully they don't just give up on creating a new constitution and re-draft it instead of throwing it away. Boric has until 2027 to complete his agenda, hopefully he does.

I hope so too, it actually fulfills a major wish of the right: decentralisation. It turns Chile into a federal state with the departments effectively becoming states.