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Postby Fahran » Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:34 pm

Senkaku wrote:On the one hand, the few leftist movements that have held or contested power in parts of Latin America have killed some people.

The left-wing movements that have acquired power in Latin America, such as the government of Castro or the government of Calles, have engaged in purges or revolutionary policies that led to tens of thousands of deaths, putting them about on par with Pinochet or Videla in terms of raw death toll. Right-wing governments have simply won more of these political struggles, often due to American backing. Though there are also instances where the US backed liberals or progressives over their conservative or royalist opponents. There have also been instances of famine, economic collapse, and serious corruption among certain left-wing regimes. I would say it's fairly difficult to make sweeping statements about who is worse. It's perhaps more useful to discuss it on a country to country basis.

Senkaku wrote:On the other hand, the extractive colonial elites who've held the whip hand since the Spanish conquest have built their fortunes off the blood and sweat of millions and systematically underdeveloped their own countries for centuries, while collaborating with foreign fascists and imperialists and devastating their own societies' ecologies and indigenous cultures. Better equate them in the same breath without any examination!

You could literally be describing Chavez or Castro if you removed the bit about indigenous cultures, especially if you define people like Victoriano Huerta as "extractive colonial elites."
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"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

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Postby Fahran » Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:39 pm

Also, gonna be honest with y'all.

I don't really expect Lula to conserve the rainforest, address poverty and crime, or anything like that. He'll likely manage situations like COVID better than Bolsonaro, but I would not expect serious improvements in the living conditions of average Brazilians - at least on a broad scale.
"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:41 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:Since it is the anniversary of the Cuban Protests. I’m using imagery of Eduardo Chibas who might have been Cuba’s only hope.

our beloved Republican Rep, Maria Elvira Salazar, the Key words here are, but Democrats refuse to approve it. The truth must not be silenced!” Salazar indicated in her profile.

Salazar: before Internet outages in Cuba: "Operation Starfall would give Cubans a way to connect"
“Last night Los Palacios took to the streets to protest against the dictatorship. We were able to watch videos until the regime brought down the Internet”, questioned the Republican María Elvira Salazar

The Cuban-American congresswoman María Elvira Salazar spoke this Friday, July 15, before the recent Internet cuts in Cuba to silence the demonstrations that took place in Pinar del Río.

Through a message posted on the social network Twitter, the Republican asserted that the truth should never be silenced.

“Last night Los Palacios took to the streets to protest against the dictatorship. We were able to watch videos until the regime brought down the Internet. Operation Starfall would give Cubans a way to connect, but Democrats refuse to approve it. The truth must not be silenced!” Salazar indicated in her profile.
https://cubanosporelmundo.com/2022/07/1 ... rnet-cuba/


This is why Eduardo Chibas could have saved Cuba. Also let’s get Operation Starfall Operational.
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Postby Atlantic Federalist Republic » Sun Jul 17, 2022 2:03 pm

Fahran wrote:Also, gonna be honest with y'all.

I don't really expect Lula to conserve the rainforest, address poverty and crime, or anything like that. He'll likely manage situations like COVID better than Bolsonaro, but I would not expect serious improvements in the living conditions of average Brazilians - at least on a broad scale.

I don't think even the pandemic. He diverted MILLIONS from health.
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Postby Arisyan » Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:15 pm

Fahran wrote:Also, gonna be honest with y'all.

I don't really expect Lula to conserve the rainforest, address poverty and crime, or anything like that. He'll likely manage situations like COVID better than Bolsonaro, but I would not expect serious improvements in the living conditions of average Brazilians - at least on a broad scale.

And? Like Bolsonaro is any better, at least Lula has a chance of actually solving some problems because of pressure in his voter base. I think that him choosing Geraldo Alckmin as VP was a bad decision however.
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Postby Fahran » Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:24 pm

Arisyan wrote:And? Like Bolsonaro is any better, at least Lula has a chance of actually solving some problems because of pressure in his voter base. I think that him choosing Geraldo Alckmin as VP was a bad decision however.

Fahran wrote:He'll likely manage situations like COVID better than Bolsonaro...


As I said...

I would take that decision as emblematic of what to expect from another Lula presidency.
"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Fri Jul 22, 2022 3:21 pm

The United States remembers the death of Oswaldo Payá Sardiñas: "We honor his memory and support the cuban people's call for freedom"

On the tenth anniversary of the assassination of opposition figure Oswaldo Payá, the United States backed the "cuban people's call for freedom."

This Friday, July 22, the United States commemorated the tenth anniversary of the death of Cuban opposition leader Oswaldo Payá Sardiñas, leader of the Christian Liberation Movement, endorsing the "call for freedom of the Cuban people."

Brian A. Nichols, the State Department's Under Secretary of State for Hemispheric Affairs, used his official Twitter account to pay tribute to those who "peacefully confronted" the dictatorship in Cuba for the rights of citizens.

"Oswaldo Payá defended freedom and peacefully confronted the Cuban government with the petitions of thousands of Cubans who claimed their rights. On the tenth anniversary of his untimely death, we honor his memory and strongly support the Cuban people's call for freedom," Nichols wrote.

But, Biden and the US government is just talk.

https://cubanosporelmundo.com/2022/07/2 ... iversario/
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:29 am

On this day the Cuban Revolution began in 1953 and would go until New Year’s Day 1959. That is why for my nation I’m using a flag I made in opposition of the Cuban government.

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Postby Blargoblarg » Tue Jul 26, 2022 11:55 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:On this day the Cuban Revolution began in 1953 and would go until New Year’s Day 1959. That is why for my nation I’m using a flag I made in opposition of the Cuban government.

I would change my flag to the 26th of July Movement flag in support of the Cuba's communist government, but I don't really want to change my flag just for one day. So I'll just stick it here instead:
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Postby Port Caverton » Tue Jul 26, 2022 12:42 pm

Blargoblarg wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:On this day the Cuban Revolution began in 1953 and would go until New Year’s Day 1959. That is why for my nation I’m using a flag I made in opposition of the Cuban government.

I would change my flag to the 26th of July Movement flag in support of the Cuba's communist government, but I don't really want to change my flag just for one day. So I'll just stick it here instead:
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the government that allows private ownership of businesses?
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:27 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Blargoblarg wrote:I would change my flag to the 26th of July Movement flag in support of the Cuba's communist government, but I don't really want to change my flag just for one day. So I'll just stick it here instead:

the government that allows private ownership of businesses?

on paper only, they are so regulated it makes Leftist Democrats seem like Conservative Republicans, lol and yuck. But I understand your question to Blargoblarg, due to Blargoblarg's pro communist, socialist, politics.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:42 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:the government that allows private ownership of businesses?

on paper only, they are so regulated it makes Leftist Democrats seem like Conservative Republicans, lol and yuck. But I understand your question to Blargoblarg, due to Blargoblarg's pro communist, socialist, politics.


I mean I believe in worker ownership of the means of production but you know actual worker ownership not government ownership.

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Postby Atlantic Federalist Republic » Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:42 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:on paper only, they are so regulated it makes Leftist Democrats seem like Conservative Republicans, lol and yuck. But I understand your question to Blargoblarg, due to Blargoblarg's pro communist, socialist, politics.


I mean I believe in worker ownership of the means of production but you know actual worker ownership not government ownership.


Socialism is a failure, it doesn't work, much less communism.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:48 pm

Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
I mean I believe in worker ownership of the means of production but you know actual worker ownership not government ownership.


Socialism is a failure, it doesn't work, much less communism.


I know. Which is why I will settle for social democracy (basically capitalism but with a lot of welfare) also ESOPs Co-OPs and EOTs are cool.

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Postby Atlantic Federalist Republic » Tue Jul 26, 2022 6:23 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:
Socialism is a failure, it doesn't work, much less communism.


I know. Which is why I will settle for social democracy (basically capitalism but with a lot of welfare) also ESOPs Co-OPs and EOTs are cool.

I'm extreme right, but many call me a fascist, but I'm not that monster they curse me.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Tue Jul 26, 2022 6:52 pm

Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
I know. Which is why I will settle for social democracy (basically capitalism but with a lot of welfare) also ESOPs Co-OPs and EOTs are cool.

I'm extreme right, but many call me a fascist, but I'm not that monster they curse me.


You and I are for and against some of the same things.

The In Favors include: Armed Forces Ciro Private Education (I’m in favor of both public and private education) Universal Healthcare and Police

The Against include: China Russia North Korea Lula Racism Anti-Semitism Colonialism State owned companies (I’m for some nationalization and government ownership but I’m against absolute government ownership) Foreign Interference

And to be honest at least from your signature you don’t seem all that extreme.
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Postby Atlantic Federalist Republic » Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:24 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:I'm extreme right, but many call me a fascist, but I'm not that monster they curse me.


You and I are for and against some of the same things.

The In Favors include: Armed Forces Ciro Private Education (I’m in favor of both public and private education) Universal Healthcare and Police

The Against include: China Russia North Korea Lula Racism Anti-Semitism Colonialism State owned companies (I’m for some nationalization and government ownership but I’m against absolute government ownership) Foreign Interference

And to be honest at least from your signature you don’t seem all that extreme.


There are aspects in which I am a little bit, but I consider myself on the extreme right. Not that this corresponds 100% to my ideas. And every now and then I have a kind of crazy outbreak of wanting to exterminate all leftists in a little geopolitics game called Geopolitical Simulator 4. lol
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Jul 27, 2022 6:14 am

Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
You and I are for and against some of the same things.

The In Favors include: Armed Forces Ciro Private Education (I’m in favor of both public and private education) Universal Healthcare and Police

The Against include: China Russia North Korea Lula Racism Anti-Semitism Colonialism State owned companies (I’m for some nationalization and government ownership but I’m against absolute government ownership) Foreign Interference

And to be honest at least from your signature you don’t seem all that extreme.


There are aspects in which I am a little bit, but I consider myself on the extreme right. Not that this corresponds 100% to my ideas. And every now and then I have a kind of crazy outbreak of wanting to exterminate all leftists in a little geopolitics game called Geopolitical Simulator 4. lol


Uh… I’m a Leftist though I’m Center Left. I’m the Diet Coca-Cola of the left just one calorie but not enough.

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Postby Atlantic Federalist Republic » Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:48 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:
There are aspects in which I am a little bit, but I consider myself on the extreme right. Not that this corresponds 100% to my ideas. And every now and then I have a kind of crazy outbreak of wanting to exterminate all leftists in a little geopolitics game called Geopolitical Simulator 4. lol


Uh… I’m a Leftist though I’m Center Left. I’m the Diet Coca-Cola of the left just one calorie but not enough.


I understand.
Calm down, I have left wing relatives but I still talk to them so don't worry lol.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:11 am

Atlantic Federalist Republic wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Uh… I’m a Leftist though I’m Center Left. I’m the Diet Coca-Cola of the left just one calorie but not enough.


I understand.
Calm down, I have left wing relatives but I still talk to them so don't worry lol.


Ok lol.

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Postby Fahran » Fri Jul 29, 2022 4:07 pm

Blargoblarg wrote:Snip

Very cursed.
"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

- Song of the Fallen Star

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Postby Arisyan » Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:44 am

A liberal agreeing with a far-righter? Who could have foreseen this!?
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Postby Atlantic Federalist Republic » Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:50 am

Arisyan wrote:A liberal agreeing with a far-righter? Who could have foreseen this!?


Now is it wrong to respect others?
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Tue Aug 02, 2022 2:07 pm

Arisyan wrote:A liberal agreeing with a far-righter? Who could have foreseen this!?

It rarely happens, but it happens rarely, even in my case, :) lol.
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Postby Fahran » Tue Aug 02, 2022 5:46 pm

Arisyan wrote:A liberal agreeing with a far-righter? Who could have foreseen this!?

I mean... I know dozens of left-wing intellectuals who unironically agree with a Nazi on certain crucial points of political and legal philosophy. People with different paradigms can arrive at similar positions for very different reasons.
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"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

- Song of the Fallen Star

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