Latin America General : Corona Carnaval

[Riocht mor Daraen]

Yes, the better man, that's what I just said.

Dude, you are talking to a native Cuban, Republican and an American citizen, lol.

And you're talking to a native Colombian? About Colombian politics? "lol" yourself, man.
It's always funny to me when people pretend that the economic malaise, the corruption, the crime, the suffering and the evil, all that good shit it's an exclusively or predominantly to overwhelmingly left-wing phenomenon. You can find that in the left-wing movements of most of Latin America, sure. You can also do it in the right. (And the so-called center for that matter). Unless the poor, the sick, the famished, the tortured and the killed under right-wing governments and tyrants from the Rio Grande to the Magellan strait don't count.
We live in a broken world where idols rule as far as the eye can see. Acknowledging that much is the first step towards maybe changing our condition.

As far as Brazil goes, Lula ain't that great but he's miles better than Bolsonaro, so I'd vote for him. Some actual regional integration would be nice.

[Huayramarca]

Is Nayib Bukele the next great statesman in Latin America? I really love how he's changing El Salvador. 40,000+ people arrested. Its a grand accomplishment if his efforts really are breaking the back of MS-13 and other cartels.

Will he be succeeding where Rodrigo Lara Bonilla failed? He was an official in Columbia who got cut down by Pablo Escobar henchmen back in 1984, for those who don't know. Bukele has the benefit of far better security. And times have changed to where criminal leaders are perhaps more keen to stay out of media spotlights or want to avoid extra heat being brought to bear when that is possible.

Salvadoran here. Let me debunk some myths around Bukele for good.

1. He isn't the next great statesman as he can't handle procedures in democratic ways (a lover of lawfare), let aside that his whole image of being a saviour of an actual political vacuum left in the country is toxic as he's prone to develop a cult around his image, rather than being effective fulfilling his campaign promises.

2. As you said, there's 40k people arrested, but real question is: How many people are actual gangsters or cartel members? There are significant reports of people detained without justification or proof that could determine their filiation to criminal entities such as MS-13, Barrio 18, 18 Revolucionarios, etc.Innocent people has been tortured by waterboarding, physical abuse to force them to lie, there aren't guarantees of a fair trial nor availability to hire an attorney to defend yourself. You're guilty unless proven wrong! (if you ever have a chance to prove it).

As a sidenote, one of my colleagues in my real state agency was arrested due to "criminal activities" after finishing a religious service. Her family hasn't been able to visit her, her right, as enshrined by our Constitution, to defend on a fair trial in less than 15 days wasn't respected. Her father has to pay for food and hygiene but there's no certainty that she actually receives what it was paid.

3. There's a reduction of murders, yes, but that's a PR cliché from the Salvadoran government abroad to make things look like they're finally "winning" the war against gangs. Do you know that the government has an ongoing truce with gangs? you can check more of it here. bringing down his name to the utter mud, let aside that using this tactic shows how weak is our law enforcement here, how little he and his cabinet have worked to do an actual change to our security.

Summing it up, this place is dangerous as there's no effective policing, law enforcement as the authorities have to reach truces with criminals; because your rights as a citizen are worthless and your freedom is subjected to the mood of a police officer that can commit slander against, by saying that you're a gangster and ended up in a jail where you could be tortured and die.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

Dude, you are talking to a native Cuban, Republican and an American citizen, lol.

And you're talking to a native Colombian? About Colombian politics? "lol" yourself, man.
It's always funny to me when people pretend that the economic malaise, the corruption, the crime, the suffering and the evil, all that good shit it's an exclusively or predominantly to overwhelmingly left-wing phenomenon. You can find that in the left-wing movements of most of Latin America, sure. You can also do it in the right. (And the so-called center for that matter). Unless the poor, the sick, the famished, the tortured and the killed under right-wing governments and tyrants from the Rio Grande to the Magellan strait don't count.
We live in a broken world where idols rule as far as the eye can see. Acknowledging that much is the first step towards maybe changing our condition.

As far as Brazil goes, Lula ain't that great but he's miles better than Bolsonaro, so I'd vote for him. Some actual regional integration would be nice.

ok lol, I'm talking to a Colombian and you are talking to a native Cuban. But the point is, I don't want Colombia and Brazil to become another Venezuela, Nicaragua and Cuba. Which is possible under Gustavo Petro, which is possible under Lula da Silva, this is the point.

[The Jamesian Republic]

May I remind this thread that corruption dictatorships and overall suffering can occur in either wing of the political spectrum. I feel like this conversation is based around the idea that all of the left is literally like the left wing dictators. The right wing in Latin America also has a good deal of blood on its hands too and has given its fair share of misery to the people they rule but just like the left not everyone on the right is like the right wing dictators.

[Port Caverton]

May I remind this thread that corruption dictatorships and overall suffering can occur in either wing of the political spectrum. I feel like this conversation is based around the idea that all of the left is literally like the left wing dictators. The right wing in Latin America also has a good deal of blood on its hands too and has given its fair share of misery to the people they rule but just like the left not everyone on the right is like the right wing dictators.

I mean right now the choices in south america are: a Social democrat VS a Pinochetist or a Marxist-Leninist vs a liberal conservative, depending on which side is in power.

[Senkaku]

Is Nayib Bukele the next great statesman in Latin America?

No, he's a gangsterish macho idiot in bed with Yankee crypto goons and Salvadoran oligarchs. That's a charitable interpretation, too; if you want to be conspiratorial about it, who knows where all this money he's pouring into crypto (and losing) is actually going or who he's been listening to about it.

I really love how he's changing El Salvador. 40,000+ people arrested.

I mean, you would, but that's just because you've always appreciated the aesthetic of mass fascist violence, not for any other reason. It's a premonition of death squads to come, probably, which I'm sure you'll be equally enthusiastic about, but let's not pretend your vulturish glee at the suffering of your perceived racial inferiors has anything to do with substantive policy achievements.

Its a grand accomplishment if his efforts really are breaking the back of MS-13 and other cartels.

They aren't. It's a mixture of showmanship and political purge; the flow of drugs to the north and weapons to the south proceeds regardless.

[The Jamesian Republic]

May I remind this thread that corruption dictatorships and overall suffering can occur in either wing of the political spectrum. I feel like this conversation is based around the idea that all of the left is literally like the left wing dictators. The right wing in Latin America also has a good deal of blood on its hands too and has given its fair share of misery to the people they rule but just like the left not everyone on the right is like the right wing dictators.

I mean right now the choices in south america are: a Social democrat VS a Pinochetist or a Marxist-Leninist vs a liberal conservative, depending on which side is in power.

Well in that case it would be best to vote either for the Social Democrat or the Liberal Conservative

[Senkaku]

May I remind this thread that corruption dictatorships and overall suffering can occur in either wing of the political spectrum. I feel like this conversation is based around the idea that all of the left is literally like the left wing dictators. The right wing in Latin America also has a good deal of blood on its hands too and has given its fair share of misery to the people they rule but just like the left not everyone on the right is like the right wing dictators.

On the one hand, the few leftist movements that have held or contested power in parts of Latin America have killed some people. On the other hand, the extractive colonial elites who've held the whip hand since the Spanish conquest have built their fortunes off the blood and sweat of millions and systematically underdeveloped their own countries for centuries, while collaborating with foreign fascists and imperialists and devastating their own societies' ecologies and indigenous cultures. Better equate them in the same breath without any examination!

[The Jamesian Republic]

May I remind this thread that corruption dictatorships and overall suffering can occur in either wing of the political spectrum. I feel like this conversation is based around the idea that all of the left is literally like the left wing dictators. The right wing in Latin America also has a good deal of blood on its hands too and has given its fair share of misery to the people they rule but just like the left not everyone on the right is like the right wing dictators.

On the one hand, the few leftist movements that have held or contested power in parts of Latin America have killed some people. On the other hand, the extractive colonial elites who've held the whip hand since the Spanish conquest have built their fortunes off the blood and sweat of millions and systematically underdeveloped their own countries for centuries, while collaborating with foreign fascists and imperialists and devastating their own societies' ecologies and indigenous cultures. Better equate them in the same breath without any examination!

It’s still pretty bad and could be way better.

[Arisyan]

On the one hand, the few leftist movements that have held or contested power in parts of Latin America have killed some people. On the other hand, the extractive colonial elites who've held the whip hand since the Spanish conquest have built their fortunes off the blood and sweat of millions and systematically underdeveloped their own countries for centuries, while collaborating with foreign fascists and imperialists and devastating their own societies' ecologies and indigenous cultures. Better equate them in the same breath without any examination!

It’s still pretty bad and could be way better.

Do you freaking expect a country to elect a moderately left-wing President in an unstable political situation for one term and automatically become freaking Iceland? I must remind you that while a lot of people elected in the first Pink Tide weren't perfect, they still brought better quality of life and economic equality to their countries and they ultimately improved living standards in many ways. You can only do so much when the previous governments royally screwed over your country with rampant corruption, drug cartels and horrible living conditions, especially with immense pressure from that political sector to not enact too many radical changes.

I'm no Latin American, but even from a quick glance into the region's politics you can see that the Pink Tide was ultimately good and that while the governments weren't perfect, they were leagues better than the alternatives.

[Incel Argentina]

It’s still pretty bad and could be way better.

Do you freaking expect a country to elect a moderately left-wing President in an unstable political situation for one term and automatically become freaking Iceland? I must remind you that while a lot of people elected in the first Pink Tide weren't perfect, they still brought better quality of life and economic equality to their countries and they ultimately improved living standards in many ways. You can only do so much when the previous governments royally screwed over your country with rampant corruption, drug cartels and horrible living conditions, especially with immense pressure from that political sector to not enact too many radical changes.

I'm no Latin American, but even from a quick glance into the region's politics you can see that the Pink Tide was ultimately good and that while the governments weren't perfect, they were leagues better than the alternatives.

Exactly! We still can't get over what Menemism did to us 20 years ago. It must be admited that the following K governments did not do a good job of not screwing up the economy but it's clear that the alternative is a thousand times worse.

[NEON Cactus Kid]

Leave it to Latin America to have actual coronavirus themed carnivals.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Do you freaking expect a country to elect a moderately left-wing President in an unstable political situation for one term and automatically become freaking Iceland? I must remind you that while a lot of people elected in the first Pink Tide weren't perfect, they still brought better quality of life and economic equality to their countries and they ultimately improved living standards in many ways. You can only do so much when the previous governments royally screwed over your country with rampant corruption, drug cartels and horrible living conditions, especially with immense pressure from that political sector to not enact too many radical changes.

I'm no Latin American, but even from a quick glance into the region's politics you can see that the Pink Tide was ultimately good and that while the governments weren't perfect, they were leagues better than the alternatives.

Exactly! We still can't get over what Menemism did to us 20 years ago. It must be admited that the following K governments did not do a good job of not screwing up the economy but it's clear that the alternative is a thousand times worse.

It’s still pretty bad and could be way better.

Do you freaking expect a country to elect a moderately left-wing President in an unstable political situation for one term and automatically become freaking Iceland? I must remind you that while a lot of people elected in the first Pink Tide weren't perfect, they still brought better quality of life and economic equality to their countries and they ultimately improved living standards in many ways. You can only do so much when the previous governments royally screwed over your country with rampant corruption, drug cartels and horrible living conditions, especially with immense pressure from that political sector to not enact too many radical changes.

I'm no Latin American, but even from a quick glance into the region's politics you can see that the Pink Tide was ultimately good and that while the governments weren't perfect, they were leagues better than the alternatives.

I understand. Hopefully the pink tide proves to be better than the alternatives.

[Minoa]

With the Bitcoin dipping again, I am minded to believe that Nayib Bukele of El Salvador will soon purchase around ₿750, believing that the dip is the lowest point of the current cryptocurrency crash. I think that in reality, the current dip may not be the lowest, especially if another exchange halts trading because, you know, a stuck transaction.

Source: https://twitter.com/nayibbukele/status/ ... 6490271744

…and I’m off by ₿670. But still, what is the basis for staking valuable treasury money on an asset that is so volatile and risky?

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

Breaking Cuba News, according to Cubadebate, a Cuban government news organization, Cuban General Luis Alberto Rodríguez López-Callejas, has died, due to a heart attack, or of cardiac arrest, which is similar. He is Raúl Castro's son in law, and father of his grandchildren, while he divorced Raúl's daughter, the Castro family still treats him like Family. He was in charge of the Cuban Generals Gaesa and Gaviota, Corporations, in charge of the Tourists Hotel Resorts, Restaurants, Car Rental Agencies, Exports and Imports and the Free Port of Mariel. A member of the National Assembly and member of the Political Bureau of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Cuba. Considered by many Cuban Americans as Raúl's heir, the number 1 leader of Cuba, after Miguel Díaz-Canel Bermúdez, term as President of Cuba expires. He was 62 years old. I am shocked.

Please scroll down to the 5th Pic:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1642404

But in the last 10 days, 5 Cuban Generals have officially died due to various reasons. According to the New York Post, the last death was that of Brigadier General Armando Choy Rodríguez, 87, whose death was announced by the Central University Marta Abreu on Twitter. Rodríguez was the founder of the “July 26 Movement” in Las Villas

Last Monday , Manuel Eduardo Lastres Pacheco, a former general who served under the command of Argentine Ernesto "Che" Guevara during the revolution in the late 1950s, died, Cuban media confirmed. Pacheco later served as commander of the Cuban Eastern Army.

Last Saturday, General Rubén Martínez Puente, 79, who was in the Cuban army reserve and was a controversial figure in the army, died.

Puente was the general who gave the order to shoot down a civilian plane belonging to the Cuban exile group "Brothers to the Rescue" in 1996, bringing tensions with the United States to a fever pitch.

On July 20, Marcelo Verdecia Perdomo, a brigadier general in the Army Reserve and former bodyguard of Fidel Castro, died.

Finally, Agustín Peña Porres, former commander of the Western Army and member of the Communist Central Committee of Cuba, died on July 17.

According to Florida-based news outlet “Periódico Cubano,” the deaths follow those of Brigadier General Ivan Duponte Cabrales in May at the age of 77.

Coincidences or is there something to the sudden deaths of Cuban Generals, one after the other?

https://www.semana.com/mundo/articulo/c ... as/202133/


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[Shrillland]

With the Bitcoin dipping again, I am minded to believe that Nayib Bukele of El Salvador will soon purchase around ₿750, believing that the dip is the lowest point of the current cryptocurrency crash. I think that in reality, the current dip may not be the lowest, especially if another exchange halts trading because, you know, a stuck transaction.

Source: https://twitter.com/nayibbukele/status/ ... 6490271744

…and I’m off by ₿670. But still, what is the basis for staking valuable treasury money on an asset that is so volatile and risky?

I don't get it myself. I've always seen crypto as just another get rich quick scheme myself, and though I do see some reason for NFTs in this age of digital art and artists, it's more trouble than its all worth.

[Arisyan]

Source: https://twitter.com/nayibbukele/status/ ... 6490271744

…and I’m off by ₿670. But still, what is the basis for staking valuable treasury money on an asset that is so volatile and risky?

I don't get it myself. I've always seen crypto as just another get rich quick scheme myself, and though I do see some reason for NFTs in this age of digital art and artists, it's more trouble than its all worth.

It's late stage capitalism at it's finest, that's all I have to say.

On another note, the Ecuadorian Government has reached a deal with indigenous protestors, thus ending weeks of strikes and blockades. The deal seems pretty extensive, but knowing Lasso I doubt most provisions will go through.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

The real power in Cuba is still General of the Armed Forces Raúl Castro Ruz and the Castro Family. Now that Raúl s son in law and father of his grandchildren, General Luis Alberto Rodríguez López-Callejas, has died, who might be the real power in Cuba after Raúl and Miguel Díaz-Canel Bermúdez term as President expires? It might be Raul's son, General Alejandro Castro Espín, either directly or indirectly from behind the scenes. If directly they will have to start promoting him from his current position as a General in the Ministry of Interior. General Alejandro Castro Espín, will be 57 years old on July 29 2022.

[Shrillland]

The proposed Ninth Chilean Constitution has been handed to Boric, the campaign phase officially begins

Most polls have the new constitution, which expands Chilean welfare and social programmes, guarantees equality for women and minorities, and transforms Chile from a unitary to a federal state among other things, being rejected. The vote will be on September 4.

[Huayramarca]

With the Bitcoin dipping again, I am minded to believe that Nayib Bukele of El Salvador will soon purchase around ₿750, believing that the dip is the lowest point of the current cryptocurrency crash. I think that in reality, the current dip may not be the lowest, especially if another exchange halts trading because, you know, a stuck transaction.

Source: https://twitter.com/nayibbukele/status/ ... 6490271744

…and I’m off by ₿670. But still, what is the basis for staking valuable treasury money on an asset that is so volatile and risky?

First, he's gambling as he's expecting to "multiply" what he has invested in bitcoin. He's expecting a rebound on markets, something it won't happen in the next months. Second, he has built a government around cult towards his image. What he says must be fulfilled by the National Assembly as he's making sure that the "people" will get better life conditions, something that has backfired heavily with the prospect of nationalising our pension system and turning those dollars into crypto-assets.
Third, his childish will.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Since it is the anniversary of the Cuban Protests. I’m using imagery of Eduardo Chibas who might have been Cuba’s only hope.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

Since it is the anniversary of the Cuban Protests. I’m using imagery of Eduardo Chibas who might have been Cuba’s only hope.

our beloved Republican Rep, Maria Elvira Salazar, the Key words here are, but Democrats refuse to approve it. The truth must not be silenced!” Salazar indicated in her profile.

Salazar: before Internet outages in Cuba: "Operation Starfall would give Cubans a way to connect"
“Last night Los Palacios took to the streets to protest against the dictatorship. We were able to watch videos until the regime brought down the Internet”, questioned the Republican María Elvira Salazar

The Cuban-American congresswoman María Elvira Salazar spoke this Friday, July 15, before the recent Internet cuts in Cuba to silence the demonstrations that took place in Pinar del Río.

Through a message posted on the social network Twitter, the Republican asserted that the truth should never be silenced.

“Last night Los Palacios took to the streets to protest against the dictatorship. We were able to watch videos until the regime brought down the Internet. Operation Starfall would give Cubans a way to connect, but Democrats refuse to approve it. The truth must not be silenced!” Salazar indicated in her profile.
https://cubanosporelmundo.com/2022/07/1 ... rnet-cuba/

[Risottia]

ok lol, I'm talking to a Colombian and you are talking to a native Cuban. But the point is, I don't want Colombia and Brazil to become another Venezuela, Nicaragua and Cuba. Which is possible under Gustavo Petro, which is possible under Lula da Silva, this is the point.

Your point is rather silly, as Lula has already been President of Brazil and it didn't turn into Venezuela between 2003 and 2010.

Btw: Under Lula, Brazil became the world's eighth-largest economy, more than 20 million people rose out of acute poverty and Rio de Janeiro was awarded the 2016 Summer Olympics, the first time the Games will be held in South America.
— The Washington Post, October 2010

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

ok lol, I'm talking to a Colombian and you are talking to a native Cuban. But the point is, I don't want Colombia and Brazil to become another Venezuela, Nicaragua and Cuba. Which is possible under Gustavo Petro, which is possible under Lula da Silva, this is the point.

Your point is rather silly, as Lula has already been President of Brazil and it didn't turn into Venezuela between 2003 and 2010.

Btw: Under Lula, Brazil became the world's eighth-largest economy, more than 20 million people rose out of acute poverty and Rio de Janeiro was awarded the 2016 Summer Olympics, the first time the Games will be held in South America.
— The Washington Post, October 2010

If he doesn't, he is still a Pro Castro, Pro Maduro, Pro Daniel Ortega and Pro Gustavo Petro, Leftist, so I hope Lula da Silva doesn't win the Presidency of Brazil.

[Atlantic Federalist Republic]

Your point is rather silly, as Lula has already been President of Brazil and it didn't turn into Venezuela between 2003 and 2010.

Btw: Under Lula, Brazil became the world's eighth-largest economy, more than 20 million people rose out of acute poverty and Rio de Janeiro was awarded the 2016 Summer Olympics, the first time the Games will be held in South America.
— The Washington Post, October 2010

If he doesn't, he is still a Pro Castro, Pro Maduro, Pro Daniel Ortega and Pro Gustavo Petro, Leftist, so I hope Lula da Silva doesn't win the Presidency of Brazil.

me too