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Postby New Bremerton » Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:03 pm

Nakena wrote:Meanwhile in Colombia:

Colombia protests: Bogotá placed under curfew amid fresh protests

The mayor of the Colombian capital, Bogotá, has imposed a curfew to cover the entire city in response to renewed anti-government protests.

Police fired tear gas in the city on Friday to disperse crowds and there were reports of sporadic looting.

Meanwhile, President Iván Duque said he would launch a "national conversation" next week to try to ease tensions.

More than 250,000 people attended marches across the country on Thursday to voice anger at the government.

Colombians have taken to the streets over possible changes to the minimum wage, pension and tax reforms, and the privatisation of state companies. The government insists there are no planned pension or labour reforms and that any changes would take place in consultation with labour groups.

Protesters are also angry about alleged corruption and what some see as the government's failure to honour a 2016 peace deal with left-wing Farc rebels amid a rise in violence.

In another development, three police officers were killed in a bomb explosion at a police station in the town of Santander de Quilichao in south-western Cauca province, officials said. It is not clear if the incident is connected to the protests. The area is notorious for drug trafficking and gang violence.

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In Bogota, Mayor Enrique Peñalosa first announced a curfew for three districts but extended it to the whole city later in the day.

"From 8pm (01:00 GMT Saturday) the curfew will go into effect in the neighbourhoods of Bosa, Ciudad Bolivar and Kennedy," he said.

"From 9pm the curfew extends to the rest of the city. The curfews end at 6am Saturday."

Later, witnesses reported some protesters defying the curfew and picketing President Duque's home.

In a televised speech, President Duque said a "national conversation" would take place regionally and include all social and political groups.

"Starting next week, I will launch a national conversation to strengthen the current social policy agenda, working in a united way with medium- and long-term vision, which will allow us to close the social gaps," he said.

Thousands of people had gathered in Bogotá's Bolivar Plaza earlier on Friday following a call from opposition leaders for renewed protests.

"We are here to keep protesting against the Duque government," said student Katheryn Martinez, 25, who was with her father Arturo, 55.

However, the crowd scattered when police fired tear gas. Witnesses said some protesters regrouped on nearby streets and continued chanting.

Defence Minister Carlos Holmes Trujillo said an investigation had been launched into the three deaths in Valle del Cauca region on Thursday.

He told reporters that authorities had confirmed the deaths of two people in Buenaventura and one more in Candelaria. He added that a group of people had tried to loot a shopping centre.

He said 11 preliminary investigations were also being conducted into alleged misconduct by members of the security forces.

Unrest in Colombia has coincided with a surge of anti-government demonstrations elsewhere in Latin America.

In Chile, interior minister Gonzalo Blumel has again appealed for the restoration of public order after a fresh round of protests and riots there.

Protesters are demanding social reforms and a change to the constitution which dates back to the pre-democracy era of the military leader, Augusto Pinochet.

Meanwhile in Bolivia, violent protests have crippled parts of the country since the resignation former President Evo Morales.

Mr Morales fled to Mexico after the army urged him to quit. He and his supporters have described the move as a coup.


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People power takes hold in Colombia. I stand with the Colombian people in their struggle for basic human dignity, even though it's pretty obvious that these far-right fascist "protesters" in Chile and Colombia trying to overthrow their democratically-elected (right-wing) governments are clearly backed by the CIA. Says no leftist ever. And I'm the one tolerating "fascist coups", for some reason. All I've heard from the usual suspects so far is deafening silence.

Elsewhere, Tulsi Gabbard just lost my support when she took to Twitter to describe the events in Bolivia as a "coup" and accused the United States, without evidence, of undermining democracy in Bolivia. I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt with regards to Syria given her combat experience in neighboring Iraq, her sincere and principled conviction, her pledge to sever all diplomatic ties with Saudi Arabia if elected president, and her status as a political outsider and the incessant smears against her by Hillary Clinton, her DNC stooges and a compliant MSM, all of whom have labeled her a "Russian asset".

But Bolivia is an entire continent away. She may not be a Russian asset. Instead, she is merely a less woke, less PC version of Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn with an equally dogmatic and misguided foreign policy outlook that belongs squarely in the 20th century. She is the exact same kind of phony and hypocritical "anti-imperialist" I've been warning about. She is completely and totally clueless about what's going on around the world and, like Trump and Obama before her, cannot be trusted with foreign policy, and the number of people who actually believe this shit is horrifying. She was also one of the handful of House Representatives who abstained on a vote to pass the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act. I'll be rooting exclusively for Andrew Yang from now on, unless he screws up just like she did.
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Postby Aureumterra » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:38 pm

Nakena wrote:Meanwhile in Colombia:

Colombia protests: Bogotá placed under curfew amid fresh protests

The mayor of the Colombian capital, Bogotá, has imposed a curfew to cover the entire city in response to renewed anti-government protests.

Police fired tear gas in the city on Friday to disperse crowds and there were reports of sporadic looting.

Meanwhile, President Iván Duque said he would launch a "national conversation" next week to try to ease tensions.

More than 250,000 people attended marches across the country on Thursday to voice anger at the government.

Colombians have taken to the streets over possible changes to the minimum wage, pension and tax reforms, and the privatisation of state companies. The government insists there are no planned pension or labour reforms and that any changes would take place in consultation with labour groups.

Protesters are also angry about alleged corruption and what some see as the government's failure to honour a 2016 peace deal with left-wing Farc rebels amid a rise in violence.

In another development, three police officers were killed in a bomb explosion at a police station in the town of Santander de Quilichao in south-western Cauca province, officials said. It is not clear if the incident is connected to the protests. The area is notorious for drug trafficking and gang violence.

Duque: Puppet or rock star?
Why protesters are on the streets worldwide

In Bogota, Mayor Enrique Peñalosa first announced a curfew for three districts but extended it to the whole city later in the day.

"From 8pm (01:00 GMT Saturday) the curfew will go into effect in the neighbourhoods of Bosa, Ciudad Bolivar and Kennedy," he said.

"From 9pm the curfew extends to the rest of the city. The curfews end at 6am Saturday."

Later, witnesses reported some protesters defying the curfew and picketing President Duque's home.

In a televised speech, President Duque said a "national conversation" would take place regionally and include all social and political groups.

"Starting next week, I will launch a national conversation to strengthen the current social policy agenda, working in a united way with medium- and long-term vision, which will allow us to close the social gaps," he said.

Thousands of people had gathered in Bogotá's Bolivar Plaza earlier on Friday following a call from opposition leaders for renewed protests.

"We are here to keep protesting against the Duque government," said student Katheryn Martinez, 25, who was with her father Arturo, 55.

However, the crowd scattered when police fired tear gas. Witnesses said some protesters regrouped on nearby streets and continued chanting.

Defence Minister Carlos Holmes Trujillo said an investigation had been launched into the three deaths in Valle del Cauca region on Thursday.

He told reporters that authorities had confirmed the deaths of two people in Buenaventura and one more in Candelaria. He added that a group of people had tried to loot a shopping centre.

He said 11 preliminary investigations were also being conducted into alleged misconduct by members of the security forces.

Unrest in Colombia has coincided with a surge of anti-government demonstrations elsewhere in Latin America.

In Chile, interior minister Gonzalo Blumel has again appealed for the restoration of public order after a fresh round of protests and riots there.

Protesters are demanding social reforms and a change to the constitution which dates back to the pre-democracy era of the military leader, Augusto Pinochet.

Meanwhile in Bolivia, violent protests have crippled parts of the country since the resignation former President Evo Morales.

Mr Morales fled to Mexico after the army urged him to quit. He and his supporters have described the move as a coup.


Le sauce: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-50525968?

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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:41 pm

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Nakena wrote:Meanwhile in Colombia:



Le sauce: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-50525968?

If I was stupid, I would say this is a left wing conspiracy to overthrow a democratically elected leader in a communist coup performed by Beijing

That doesn't really work as a veiled ironic insult against leftists when many in the South American right-wing unironically argue that the protests in Ecuador, Chile and Colombia are all part of a plot orchestrated by Cuba and/or Maduro. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:44 pm

Liriena wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:If I was stupid, I would say this is a left wing conspiracy to overthrow a democratically elected leader in a communist coup performed by Beijing

That doesn't really work as a veiled ironic insult against leftists when many in the South American right-wing unironically argue that the protests in Ecuador, Chile and Colombia are all part of a plot orchestrated by Cuba and/or Maduro. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Hell, we've had people in this very thread making those arguments.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:50 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Liriena wrote:That doesn't really work as a veiled ironic insult against leftists when many in the South American right-wing unironically argue that the protests in Ecuador, Chile and Colombia are all part of a plot orchestrated by Cuba and/or Maduro. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Hell, we've had people in this very thread making those arguments.


Whether right or wrong, it's still a good idea to apply the liberal usage of J-DAMs against both the Cuban and Venezuelan regimes.
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Postby Shrillland » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:58 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Hell, we've had people in this very thread making those arguments.


Whether right or wrong, it's still a good idea to apply the liberal usage of J-DAMs against both the Cuban and Venezuelan regimes.


No...Venezuela's shaky enough that it can break itself, whereas Cuba still claims Russia as an ally. If we use J-DAMs on them, we'll get to learn first hand whether the Russian claims of hypersonic ICBMs are true or not.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:03 pm

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Whether right or wrong, it's still a good idea to apply the liberal usage of J-DAMs against both the Cuban and Venezuelan regimes.


No...Venezuela's shaky enough that it can break itself, whereas Cuba still claims Russia as an ally. If we use J-DAMs on them, we'll get to learn first hand whether the Russian claims of hypersonic ICBMs are true or not.


Russia would never start WWIII over Cuba in the modern day and before someone brings up the Cuban Missile Crisis, that was in an entirely different strategic context that still ended with Moscow backing down.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:04 pm

New Bremerton wrote:This is the original reason I broke ranks with the "anti-war" Left seven years ago, and it's why I will never trust or support the likes of Jeremy Corbyn or Bernie Sanders who are totally obsessed with the idea of Western-backed "coups", almost as if their very existence would lack meaning if they had no enemy to rail against. These "anti-imperialist" leftists have no right to lecture to me or anyone else about Syria, imperialism or the costs of war. I have watched extremely graphic and disturbing YT videos of Syrian children screaming in agony from horrific injuries and literally dying on camera from chemical gas attacks. The details are too graphic for me to describe here. This is what the anti-war Left has implicitly condoned all these years through their persistent obstructionism, and yet I'm the one tolerating "fascist coups" because they don't like that one of their own corrupt governments in Latin America has been rightly toppled. They don't get to claim the moral high ground. They have none.

History is repeating itself in South America. The Bolivian Revolution is being referred to as a U.S.-backed "coup" even though Morales was deposed in exactly the same manner as Mubarak and Ben Ali in 2011. The army hijacking a revolution a couple of months later doesn't invalidate the original revolution or the demands of anti-Morales or anti-Mubarak protesters in any way.


The problem you describe is very true and has a lot do with indeed "anti-imperialist" sentiments, which in fact means that (short of the DPRK perhaps) each and every regime that opposes somehow the United States is by definition by to be supported and each time a however slightly US critical or leftish government falls then it must be for sure the work of the satanic and evil imperialist mechanization of the Central Intelligence Agency. Its a pattern i've observed since many years (it was unsurpringly on an all-high during the Bush Era for obvious reasons) and it seems to be, albeit, very slowly dying out nowadays. With Bolivia of course, it enjoys a revival since all the indrigents for the classical narrative of good, just, left-wing anti-imperialists vs evil right-wing crypto-fascist imperials are being present.

Other factors that might play a role, for example the highlanders vs. lowlanders or the ethno-religious aspects are entirely ignored in favor of the above narrative. And needless to mention the, most likelist of all, possibilities that it was just a giantic clusterfuck to begin with.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:09 pm

New Bremerton wrote:People power takes hold in Colombia. I stand with the Colombian people in their struggle for basic human dignity, even though it's pretty obvious that these far-right fascist "protesters" in Chile and Colombia trying to overthrow their democratically-elected (right-wing) governments are clearly backed by the CIA. Says no leftist ever. And I'm the one tolerating "fascist coups", for some reason. All I've heard from the usual suspects so far is deafening silence.


Its more likely the reasons in Colombia are similar as to in Chile. Supposedly everything should be now the time where things are OK (after Pinochet, Cold War and Farc etc are "over" which... might not be the case) but things... for many people yet arent. The oligarchies that be do not really care much about improving things on a greater scope, nor understand the needs of their nations and folk, and the voters have enough of year after year, election after election being repeatedly disappointed.

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Postby Torrocca » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:12 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Hell, we've had people in this very thread making those arguments.


Whether right or wrong, it's still a good idea to apply the liberal usage of J-DAMs against both the Cuban and Venezuelan regimes.


Ooh la la, I see we're going back to advocating for more mass-murder.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:14 pm

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Whether right or wrong, it's still a good idea to apply the liberal usage of J-DAMs against both the Cuban and Venezuelan regimes.


Ooh la la, I see we're going back to advocating for more mass-murder.


I think he's only advocating to remove the two communist dictatorships by military force. Given that Trump is in a severe crisis and that the neocons and their allies in media are always welcoming wars he might start one to get their support and survive the crisis.
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Postby Shrillland » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:19 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:What happened in colombia?


Mass protests in Bogota at the moment, a lot of people there are complaining about the same things that Chile's been protesting over...without the demand for extreme constitutional change.
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Rojava Free State wrote:What happened in colombia?


Mass protests against the government

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Postby Nakena » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:39 pm

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Aureumterra wrote:If I was stupid, I would say this is a left wing conspiracy to overthrow a democratically elected leader in a communist coup performed by Beijing

That doesn't really work as a veiled ironic insult against leftists when many in the South American right-wing unironically argue that the protests in Ecuador, Chile and Colombia are all part of a plot orchestrated by Cuba and/or Maduro. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Given that the number of people who unironically believe El Señor Hitler escaped to Argentina after WW2 is higher than zero...

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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:22 pm

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Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:To be perfectly honest with you, from what I've seen on a leftist Discord community, democratic socialists and anarchists do indeed support the HK protesters and despise the Chinese government with a passion, me included. So your appeal to hypocrisy as your trump card has no effect on me, or Liriena for that matter. And given the fact the pro-democratic camp is generally left-leaning, your diatribes against leftism are that more surprising.


I never said all leftists like Liri are communists or pro-China tankies, although many self-described "anti-imperialists" are just that. What I don't like about so-called "anti-imperialist" leftists is how they seem to be stuck in the 20th century and believe that any uprising against a left-wing or anti-Western regime is the result of a CIA-sponsored coup attempt.

When the Arab Spring happened in 2011 and Mubarak and Ben Ali were toppled, everyone stood in solidarity with the peaceful pro-democracy protesters fighting for freedom in Egypt and Tunisia. Everyone was fine with it. When protests against the Assad regime broke out in Syria, that's when the vile and diagusting conspiracy theories about U.S., Saudi and Zionist interference started to proliferate and the initially peaceful protesters were characterized as terrorists bankrolled by the CIA. When three successive Security Council resolutions were vetoed by Russia and China, and the Assad regime responded by stepping up its massacres of civilians due to a growing sense of impunity, "anti-war" leftists literally celebrated and cheered on the Russian and Chinese response, and British activists led by then-StWC chairman Jeremy Corbyn celebrated when the UK Parliament voted against airstrikes in response to a chemical gas attack that killed over a thousand people. I can never get the horrific images and videos of the victims' final moments out of my head, especially the children. This kind of smug, holier-than-thou, downright condescending attitude from out-of-touch middle-class champagne socialists is morally repugnant and unforgivable, and I am absolutely and totally disgusted by their vile antics. I pray Corbyn never wins the upcoming election.

This is the original reason I broke ranks with the "anti-war" Left seven years ago, and it's why I will never trust or support the likes of Jeremy Corbyn or Bernie Sanders who are totally obsessed with the idea of Western-backed "coups", almost as if their very existence would lack meaning if they had no enemy to rail against. These "anti-imperialist" leftists have no right to lecture to me or anyone else about Syria, imperialism or the costs of war. I have watched extremely graphic and disturbing YT videos of Syrian children screaming in agony from horrific injuries and literally dying on camera from chemical gas attacks. The details are too graphic for me to describe here. This is what the anti-war Left has implicitly condoned all these years through their persistent obstructionism, and yet I'm the one tolerating "fascist coups" because they don't like that one of their own corrupt governments in Latin America has been rightly toppled. They don't get to claim the moral high ground. They have none.

History is repeating itself in South America. The Bolivian Revolution is being referred to as a U.S.-backed "coup" even though Morales was deposed in exactly the same manner as Mubarak and Ben Ali in 2011. The army hijacking a revolution a couple of months later doesn't invalidate the original revolution or the demands of anti-Morales or anti-Mubarak protesters in any way.

Considering that the airstrikes would have done nothing but further destabilize Syria and would likely result in preventable civilian casualties (Airstrikes aren't exactly bloodless, nor are they always accurate), and the fact the Syrian opposition (With the notable exception of Rojava, which I do support) has been almost entirely subsumed by jihadists the likes of al-Qaeda, Hayat Tahrir-al Sham, Jabhat Fateh-al Sham, and al-Nusra, a direct military invasion of Syria as supported by certain neoconservative politicians would have resulted in nothing but a protracted quagmire the likes of Vietnam and Afghanistan, and a possible collapse of the whole country into anarchy just like what happened in Libya after Gaddafi was toppled by a NATO taskforce, which, among other things, resulted in open-air slave markets, a descent into warlordism, and widespread destruction of infrastructure, cities, communities, and the rise of islamist militias.

And Bernie Sanders does not support authoritarian regimes the likes of Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Venezuela, Cambodia, or the SAR (Assad's Syria), nor is he "obsessed" with the idea of western-backed coups (In fact, despite claiming to be a democratic socialist, Bernie rarely denounces a particular upheaval as a coup, and has referred to Maduro as a dictator on multiple occasions, for which he is criticized by the hardcore far-left), and he has also voted in favour of the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act of 2019, which passed unanimously in the Senate. Not to forget that Bernie advocates for a two-state solution as opposed to a one-state (AKA Palestine taking over Israel) solution and does not support the BDS movement, unlike Jeremy Corbyn, who is much more audacious and controversial when it comes to Palestine.

And Sanders is not exactly an doctrinaire isolationist either:
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:51 pm

Nakena wrote:
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Ooh la la, I see we're going back to advocating for more mass-murder.


I think he's only advocating to remove the two communist dictatorships by military force. Given that Trump is in a severe crisis and that the neocons and their allies in media are always welcoming wars he might start one to get their support and survive the crisis.


It speaks volumes that dictatorial regimes get associated with the mass of the population in their mind.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:57 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Nakena wrote:
I think he's only advocating to remove the two communist dictatorships by military force. Given that Trump is in a severe crisis and that the neocons and their allies in media are always welcoming wars he might start one to get their support and survive the crisis.


It speaks volumes had dictatorial regimes get associated with the mass of the population in their mind.


I'd probably more like Just Cause Redux. I always like how Noriega did, briefly before the end, quickly declared himself "Maximum Leader of the National Liberation" in an last outburst of total insanity.

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Postby New Bremerton » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:43 am

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Nakena wrote:Meanwhile in Colombia:



Le sauce: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-50525968?

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:03 am

Then back in 2020, decades of US interference in South America led to widespread unrest, and millions of refugees heading to the US to try to escape the chaos.
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Postby New Bremerton » Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:58 am

Liriena wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:If I was stupid, I would say this is a left wing conspiracy to overthrow a democratically elected leader in a communist coup performed by Beijing

That doesn't really work as a veiled ironic insult against leftists when many in the South American right-wing unironically argue that the protests in Ecuador, Chile and Colombia are all part of a plot orchestrated by Cuba and/or Maduro. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Then their reasoning is equally asinine. They don't get to claim the moral high ground either.
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Postby Nakena » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:13 am

New Bremerton wrote:
Liriena wrote:That doesn't really work as a veiled ironic insult against leftists when many in the South American right-wing unironically argue that the protests in Ecuador, Chile and Colombia are all part of a plot orchestrated by Cuba and/or Maduro. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Then their reasoning is equally asinine. They don't get to claim the moral high ground either.


It's more often than not semi-partisan nonsense and self-deception at this point.

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Postby New Bremerton » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:27 am

Given that NSG's resident leftists have been sharing links to Twitter posts to bolster their narrative, it takes two to tango.

Here's Jhanisse V. Daca. Why do leftists suddenly care about Bolivia now?
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Postby Nakena » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:37 am

New Bremerton wrote:Given that NSG's resident leftists have been sharing links to Twitter posts to bolster their narrative, it takes two to tango.

Here's Jhanisse V. Daca. Why do leftists suddenly care about Bolivia now?


Because it does now has formed an narrative people can identify, follow, empathize and take sides with. Something that resonates with corresponding world(views). If it would be a war between two bolivian tribes we would just shrug it of.

That is by the way true for both sides.
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