Latin America General : Corona Carnaval

[Fahran]

Morales was "suggested" (read forced) by the military to resign. I wouldnt be surprised if other MAS members in the line of succession were forced to do similar. Anez wasnt even in the line of succession afaik, she just declared herself interim president and everyone went along with it. Her party got 4% of the vote in the elections. If anyone in the opposition should have become interim president it should have been Carlos Mesa, not Jeanine Anez.

Painting this as a military coup is still an inaccurate assessment of the events that occurred. The military, from what I've read, more or less refused to disperse protestors and advised Morales to resign to prevent protests from turning violent. I have yet to read of any implicit threat and even pro-MAS sources haven't mentioned anything of the sort beyond referring to it as a "coup." Most coups don't result in elections in which the ousted political faction is allowed to participate. People who aren't socialists seem to have gotten tired of Morales shenanigans and booted him out.

[Shrillland]

I would like to apologise for suggesting Anez be removed from the poll...because she's going to run after all: https://www.atb.com.bo/pol%C3%ADtica/jeanine-%C3%A1%C3%B1ez-confirma-candidatura-presidencial-para-las-elecciones-generales

[Liriena]

I would like to apologise for suggesting Anez be removed from the poll...because she's going to run after all: https://www.atb.com.bo/pol%C3%ADtica/jeanine-%C3%A1%C3%B1ez-confirma-candidatura-presidencial-para-las-elecciones-generales

So much for "interim" president just doing a harmless "transitional" government. Two-faced bigoted asshole.

I hope MAS wins and she gets to spend the rest of her life in jail for her crimes.

[Liriena]

Most coups don't result in elections in which the ousted political faction is allowed to participate.

Reminder that Añez's regime has been actively trying to criminalize MAS and keep them from running altogether.

[Loben The 2nd]

I would like to apologise for suggesting Anez be removed from the poll...because she's going to run after all: https://www.atb.com.bo/pol%C3%ADtica/jeanine-%C3%A1%C3%B1ez-confirma-candidatura-presidencial-para-las-elecciones-generales

So much for "interim" president just doing a harmless "transitional" government. Two-faced bigoted asshole.

I hope MAS wins and she gets to spend the rest of her life in jail for her crimes.

crimes such as?

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

So much for "interim" president just doing a harmless "transitional" government. Two-faced bigoted asshole.

I hope MAS wins and she gets to spend the rest of her life in jail for her crimes.

crimes such as?

Being a political opponent of MAS

[Shrillland]

In the meantime, there was another election today, a snap Congressional Election in Peru. Polls just closed, and we don't yet know how that will go, but it was caused by President Martin Vizcarra dissolving the previous Congress after it refused to support a bill that would've changed how Constitutional Court justices were chosen: https://elperuano.pe/noticia-ciudadanos-eligen-hoy-a-integrantes-nuevo-congreso-89088.aspx

Exit Polls are showing that the Broad Front has lost its first place position to the centrist Popular Action.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I'm just pissed at a coup against a actually good socialist government. The one country that got it right and they overthrow him?

What the fuck kind of bullshit is that?

Can't have the masses be inspired by a successful, peaceful, democratically-elected Socialist government to take a stand against the Neoliberal world order that's been continuously fucking them over for decades now, can we?

Defenders of capitalism arise!

[Fahran]

Reminder that Añez's regime has been actively trying to criminalize MAS and keep them from running altogether.

That's understandable given that MAS has demonstrated an open willingness to put populist sentiments and power grabs over constitutional law but, as has been pointed out, MAS will participate in elections and stands a decent chance of winning given that Carlos Mesa is the only realistic alternative based on recent statistics and polls. I'd advocate against jailing the political opposition as soon as elections have concluded, at least if MAS wants to preserve any illusion of respecting democracy and rule of law.

[Nakena]

I would like to apologise for suggesting Anez be removed from the poll...because she's going to run after all: https://www.atb.com.bo/pol%C3%ADtica/jeanine-%C3%A1%C3%B1ez-confirma-candidatura-presidencial-para-las-elecciones-generales

She has been re-added at the expense of Jorge Quiroga.

[Shrillland]

Meanwhile, in the chaotic land of Venezuela, Maduro's considering selling off a majority stake in PDVSA, the state oil company: https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/venezuela-weighs-privatizing-oil-faces-181133688.html

At that point, he can't really call himself a socialist once he privatises the country's biggest asset.

[Novus America]

Meanwhile, in the chaotic land of Venezuela, Maduro's considering selling off a majority stake in PDVSA, the state oil company: https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/venezuela-weighs-privatizing-oil-faces-181133688.html

At that point, he can't really call himself a socialist once he privatises the country's biggest asset.

Funny that I heard people saying Guiado is bad because he would privatize it (despite being against it, unlike Maduro). Here the US is backing the guy against privatization and the far left backing the guy for privatization to multinationals.

I guess Maduro and his kleptocrats need a new source of revenue, after stripping Venezuela of its wealth now they will sell off the remains.

And yet still get support from many on the left.

[Nakena]

Meanwhile, in the chaotic land of Venezuela, Maduro's considering selling off a majority stake in PDVSA, the state oil company: https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/venezuela-weighs-privatizing-oil-faces-181133688.html

At that point, he can't really call himself a socialist once he privatises the country's biggest asset.

Because it literally imploded. So he may as well have someone else build it up and run it and get a part of the revenue rather than nothing at all.

[Fahran]

Because it literally imploded. So he may as well have someone else build it up and run it and get a part of the revenue rather than nothing at all.

Maduro needs to go at some point. He's possibly more inept than Chavez was and he's proven incapable of managing the mess he inherited from Chavez. It took them only two decades to undo an economy that had serious long-term prospects.

[Novus America]

Because it literally imploded. So he may as well have someone else build it up and run it and get a part of the revenue rather than nothing at all.

Maduro needs to go at some point. He's possibly more inept than Chavez was and he's proven incapable of managing the mess he inherited from Chavez. It took them only two decades to undo an economy that had serious long-term prospects.

Chavez had some poorly executed, or pants on head stupid ideas, but I think he genuinely cared about Venezuela. Maduro and his kleptocrats are just straight criminals.

[Fahran]

Maduro needs to go at some point. He's possibly more inept than Chavez was and he's proven incapable of managing the mess he inherited from Chavez. It took them only two decades to undo an economy that had serious long-term prospects.

Chavez had some poorly executed, or pants on head stupid ideas, but I think he genuinely cared about Venezuela. Maduro and his kleptocrats are just straight criminals.

I'm still not convinced that Chavez himself wasn't something of a kleptocrat. He put a lot of the current administration in place and had every appearance of being the stereotypical left-wing populist strongman indigenous to Latin America.

[Novus America]

Chavez had some poorly executed, or pants on head stupid ideas, but I think he genuinely cared about Venezuela. Maduro and his kleptocrats are just straight criminals.

I'm still not convinced that Chavez himself wasn't something of a kleptocrat. He put a lot of the current administration in place and had every appearance of being the stereotypical left-wing populist strongman indigenous to Latin America.

I think he was some of one, certainly got overcome with his lust for power and greed.
But if Chavez was say 50% Kleptocrat and 50% misguided idealist the Maduro clan is 100% kleptocrat.

I never liked Chavez, but he had at least some positive qualities (although more bad ones).

But even from a left wing perspective what positive qualities does the Maduro cartel have?
I am genuinely curious. At least I understood why some people liked Chavez despite disagreeing.

But Maduro? Can anyone name one positive thing about him?

[The of Korea]

I would like to apologise for suggesting Anez be removed from the poll...because she's going to run after all: https://www.atb.com.bo/pol%C3%ADtica/jeanine-%C3%A1%C3%B1ez-confirma-candidatura-presidencial-para-las-elecciones-generales

So much for "interim" president just doing a harmless "transitional" government. Two-faced bigoted asshole.

I hope MAS wins and she gets to spend the rest of her life in jail for her crimes.

I hope so too, though I have doubts that Anez and the military will accept a MAS victory.

[Shrillland]

Meanwhile, in the chaotic land of Venezuela, Maduro's considering selling off a majority stake in PDVSA, the state oil company: https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/venezuela-weighs-privatizing-oil-faces-181133688.html

At that point, he can't really call himself a socialist once he privatises the country's biggest asset.

Because it literally imploded. So he may as well have someone else build it up and run it and get a part of the revenue rather than nothing at all.

It only imploded because he imploded it. Yes, people are using less oil worldwide, but that alone wouldn't explain oil production being cut to 20% of what it was just five years ago.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I'm still not convinced that Chavez himself wasn't something of a kleptocrat. He put a lot of the current administration in place and had every appearance of being the stereotypical left-wing populist strongman indigenous to Latin America.

I think he was some of one, certainly got overcome with his lust for power and greed.
But if Chavez was say 50% Kleptocrat and 50% misguided idealist the Maduro clan is 100% kleptocrat.

I never liked Chavez, but he had at least some positive qualities (although more bad ones).

But even from a left wing perspective what positive qualities does the Maduro cartel have?
I am genuinely curious. At least I understood why some people liked Chavez despite disagreeing.

But Maduro? Can anyone name one positive thing about him?

He is anti-imperialist anti-west, which many commies will view as a positive.

[Aureumterra]

I think he was some of one, certainly got overcome with his lust for power and greed.
But if Chavez was say 50% Kleptocrat and 50% misguided idealist the Maduro clan is 100% kleptocrat.

I never liked Chavez, but he had at least some positive qualities (although more bad ones).

But even from a left wing perspective what positive qualities does the Maduro cartel have?
I am genuinely curious. At least I understood why some people liked Chavez despite disagreeing.

But Maduro? Can anyone name one positive thing about him?

He is anti-imperialist anti-west, which many commies will view as a positive.

It’s funny because the country most responsible for imperialism in 2020 is communist

[Nakena]

He is anti-imperialist anti-west, which many commies will view as a positive.

It’s funny because the country most responsible for imperialism in 2020 is communist

The People's Republic of China?

[Phoenicaea]

^venezuela is despotic, or absolutistic. i wrote twice here if you say to some who lives in venezuela, he will tell you ‘socialism’ doesn t fit to describe.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

It’s funny because the country most responsible for imperialism in 2020 is communist

The People's Republic of China?

In the economic sphere, yes.

[Nakena]

So much for "interim" president just doing a harmless "transitional" government. Two-faced bigoted asshole.

I hope MAS wins and she gets to spend the rest of her life in jail for her crimes.

I hope so too, though I have doubts that Anez and the military will accept a MAS victory.

Anez will leave the country and I do not believe the military will intervene. They aren't a monolithic bloc and their opposition to Morales is far from unified. Its just that he got himself into a situation where he couldn control things anymore.