Latin America General : Corona Carnaval

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Classical Fascism was built on third positionism, and I have no idea where you get the “wage class warfare against workers” part from. Morales is a nationalist, and his entire term is based on ending division, both racial and political, within Venezuela

He's from Bolivia, and he constantly criticizes oligarchs. He is very much pro-worker and not in favor of class 'collaboration'. Third positionism means nothing and is just a propaganda term. Fascist governments have always upheld capitalism and attacked worker's rights. Mussolini did not support land reform and always worked in the best interests of the Italian ruling class.

Lol no idea why I typed Venezuela, must be tired

Classical fascism is pro-worker, I don’t care what Mussolini did, I base most of my ideology off the fascist manifesto, and have my own spin on classical fascism

[Orostan]

>everything I don't like is biased

How about you read their article they linked in the tweet and then come back?

Interactions like this is what makes NSG awful. No, "everything I don't like" isn't biased. More accurately, every source is biased. The linked article is from the same organization as the account, which once again is demonstrably biased (for example, supporting the claim the US is behind the "coup").

>everything is biased but when its bias i don't like i pay attention to it

Discrediting a source just because its biased is bad because all sources are biased, we agree on that. Now, please read the article if you want to make claims about its factual accuracy. It's not even a question that the CIA is involved in Bolivia, it's a question of how much. Do you really think a pattern that has lasted since the end of WWII will be broken now?

[Orostan]

He's from Bolivia, and he constantly criticizes oligarchs. He is very much pro-worker and not in favor of class 'collaboration'. Third positionism means nothing and is just a propaganda term. Fascist governments have always upheld capitalism and attacked worker's rights. Mussolini did not support land reform and always worked in the best interests of the Italian ruling class.

Lol no idea why I typed Venezuela, must be tired

Classical fascism is pro-worker, I don’t care what Mussolini did, I base most of my ideology off the fascist manifesto, and have my own spin on classical fascism

1. It's alright, everyone makes mistakes like that sometimes.

2. Why do you believe fascism is pro-worker?

[Zjaum]

The Bolivian government has dragged its entire population through instability, hilariously bad economic decisions, and a myriad of other problems that hurt the populace. When Chile had a right-wing coup, it was, for all practical intents and purposes, harmless. 3,000 dead versus the millions that fell in equivalent left-wing regimes. A right-wing coup in Bolivia, that would mirror Chile in a transition to democracy, could be the best thing that ever happened to Bolivia.

The GDP per capita of Bolivia has more than doubled under Morales. Bolivia has rolled out universal healthcare under Morales. The Bolivian economy has been doing very well as a whole under Morales as well.

Your claims are baseless.

If your GDP is $1, doubling GDP is a very simple process.
Considering, however, that Bolivia is VASTLY behind the more right-wing governments of Brazil and Chile, my claims are completely valid.

Oh, hey, look, left-wing Argentina is in a death spiral. Color me surprised.

[Napkizemlja]

This is actually pretty shitty. Morales may have been to the left but he was respectable. I wish he approached the cocaine trade a bit differently, but on the whole he was a pretty decent thing for Bolivia. All that's going to happen is the shitty assholes coming back to fuck things up again.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Lol no idea why I typed Venezuela, must be tired

Classical fascism is pro-worker, I don’t care what Mussolini did, I base most of my ideology off the fascist manifesto, and have my own spin on classical fascism

1. It's alright, everyone makes mistakes like that sometimes.

2. Why do you believe fascism is pro-worker?

Workers are actively encouraged to unionize, and they have equal say in the government as any other group (in the ideal fascist state)

[Orostan]

The GDP per capita of Bolivia has more than doubled under Morales. Bolivia has rolled out universal healthcare under Morales. The Bolivian economy has been doing very well as a whole under Morales as well.

Your claims are baseless.

If your GDP is $1, doubling GDP is a very simple process.
Considering, however, that Bolivia is VASTLY behind the more right-wing governments of Brazil and Chile, my claims are completely valid.

Oh, hey, look, left-wing Argentina is in a death spiral. Color me surprised.

Argentina just got rid of a neoliberal leader if I remember correctly. Hardly left wing. Saying that Bolivia is behind other countries is not an argument, and Brazil had a left wing leader in Lula who also did good things for the country and has a massive favorability rating among the Brazilian populace. Chile currently has the military on the streets of its capitol city too.

Claiming that Bolivian progress doesn't matter because they started off poorer than everyone else and are still poorer is incredibly stupid. Bolivia had a right wing government before Morales. The left wing government of Morales has done a lot better than the right wing government that preceded it. Do you understand that?

[Liriena]

When Chile had a right-wing coup, it was, for all practical intents and purposes, harmless. 3,000 dead versus the millions that fell in equivalent left-wing regimes.

Support: Paleo-imperialism, conservatism, libertarianism, Christianity.

Imagine my shock

[Liriena]

Oh, hey, look, left-wing Argentina

shutupshutupshutupshutupshutupshutupshutupshutupshutup

[Orostan]

1. It's alright, everyone makes mistakes like that sometimes.

2. Why do you believe fascism is pro-worker?

Workers are actively encouraged to unionize, and they have equal say in the government as any other group (in the ideal fascist state)

All unions in fascist states were under the control of the government, which was under control of the capitalists. The ideal fascist state cannot exist because the interests of the capitalist class are opposed to those of the working class, and the capitalist class is always the ruling class in capitalist society.

[Napkizemlja]

The GDP per capita of Bolivia has more than doubled under Morales. Bolivia has rolled out universal healthcare under Morales. The Bolivian economy has been doing very well as a whole under Morales as well.

Your claims are baseless.

If your GDP is $1, doubling GDP is a very simple process.
Considering, however, that Bolivia is VASTLY behind the more right-wing governments of Brazil and Chile, my claims are completely valid.

Oh, hey, look, left-wing Argentina is in a death spiral. Color me surprised.

The World Bank, which wasn't that friendly with Morales government, even shows that economic growth was rather robust.

[Napkizemlja]

Workers are actively encouraged to unionize, and they have equal say in the government as any other group (in the ideal fascist state)

All unions in fascist states were under the control of the government, which was under control of the capitalists. The ideal fascist state cannot exist because the interests of the capitalist class are opposed to those of the working class, and the capitalist class is always the ruling class in capitalist society.

I'm pretty sure this thread isn't a Fascist v Communist See whose dick is more prole measuring contest.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Workers are actively encouraged to unionize, and they have equal say in the government as any other group (in the ideal fascist state)

All unions in fascist states were under the control of the government, which was under control of the capitalists.

Yes, Mussolini, Perón, Kagame, Mobutu, Assad were/are all capitalist oligarchs

[Torrocca]

This is actually pretty shitty. Morales may have been to the left but he was respectable. I wish he approached the cocaine trade a bit differently, but on the whole he was a pretty decent thing for Bolivia. All that's going to happen is the shitty assholes coming back to fuck things up again.

It's going to be an absolute travesty to see all the efforts he's made to improve the lives of Bolivians go spiraling down the drain as Bolivia becomes yet another right-wing dictatorial hellhole in South America.

[The East Marches II]

This seems to suggest Morales should be in power forever, as long as he supplies a good economy and society. Not very democratic.

democracy is when the CIA removes democratically elected leaders

the more democratically elected leaders the CIA removes the more democracy there is

This made me chuckle, its unironically correct!

[Aureumterra]

democracy is when the CIA removes democratically elected leaders

the more democratically elected leaders the CIA removes the more democracy there is

This made me chuckle, its unironically correct!

The CIA is the reason Iran exists, change my mind

[Orostan]

All unions in fascist states were under the control of the government, which was under control of the capitalists.

Yes, Mussolini, Perón, Kagame, Mobutu, Assad were/are all capitalist oligarchs

You think Peron, Mobutu, Kagame, and Assad were or are fascists? Peron was a socdem who got overthrown by capitalists, Mobutu was a literal capitalist oligarch, and Mussolini wasn't a capitalist himself but certainly worked for the ruling capitalist class of Italy. Kagame is a dictator who works in the interests of the Rwandan and foreign ruling capitalist class.

Besides that, this thread is getting off topic. I am surprised that a fascist with principles of some kind exists.

[Connori Pilgrims]

Or they're aging veterans from relatively minor parties who never had enough clout to be assimilated by the swamp.

Oh.

So it's a Latin American thing Latin Americans accept?

Ok not racist then.

Its a general Spanish former-colony thing. The Philippines [where I'm from] has much the same kinds of problems.

Institutions in these places are generally jokes if not outright fraudulent; any progress is largely due to the happy accident of the rare good/patriotic/reasonable leader that *allows* the institution to work, or more appropriately *forces* it to work. But said progress eventually stagnates and is undone by either said leader getting corrupt, the corrupted institution screwing it up, or the successor sabotaging things to push his/her own legacy.

Such is the fate of any system so dependent on personality.

...I feel like a Communist and Atheist revolution is coming, you guys feel like Tsarist Russia in a loose sense-just the right circumstances for a eventual communist revolution.

Hahaha. No.

Tsarist Russia then and the Spanish Empire's descendant states today don't have the same social pull-push and stress factors. Also, unlike the Orthodox Church's deep ties to the Tsar, Catholicism in the Spanish Empire's descendants don't really have the same connection to the governments of the states that would make it a target of hate or push people to AtheismTM. Its a lot more indirect and diffuse in its influence nowadays compared to even the 20th Century; and not all of it is negative or even anti-Left/progressive (see Liberation Theology and the involvement of priests in many grassroots movements in the Latino world and the Philippines).

You're more likely to see rampant hate of economic and intellectual elites (who are more likely to espouse the usual anti-Church talkingpoints, appropriated wholesale from Western atheists without even trying to understand or contextualize it for the specific country they're in) than hate of the Church in these places.

[Torrocca]

Of course the reactionary fucks are incinerating the flag of Bolivia's indigenous people after succeeding in their coup. Seriously, fuck these bastards.

[Liriena]

Yes, Mussolini, Perón, Kagame, Mobutu, Assad were/are all capitalist oligarchs

You think Peron, Mobutu, Kagame, and Assad were or are fascists? Peron was a socdem who got overthrown by capitalists, Mobutu was a literal capitalist oligarch, and Mussolini wasn't a capitalist himself but certainly worked for the ruling capitalist class of Italy. Kagame is a dictator who works in the interests of the Rwandan and foreign ruling capitalist class.

Besides that, this thread is getting off topic. I am surprised that a fascist with principles of some kind exists.

I'd call Perón a succdem who took inspiration from a wrong interpretation of Italian fascism.

[The East Marches II]

This made me chuckle, its unironically correct!

The CIA is the reason Iran exists, change my mind

Sure, leftists honestly thought they could trust Islamists and were then horrified/shocked when they got knifed in the back once the revolution was won. One is reminded of the feminist professors handed out as wives in teh aftermath of that business. Iran exists because the left made a bargain with the devil and didn't have the guts to win.

[Aureumterra]

I can't speak for all Latin Americans, but I recall a poll of Argentinians which showed that the overwhelming majority of us are deeply disillusioned with our politicians, our businesspeople and even our clergy.

...I feel like a Communist and Atheist revolution is coming, you guys feel like Tsarist Russia in a loose sense-just the right circumstances for a eventual communist revolution.

Yes, people are literally starving to death on the streets and decades of authoritarian oppression and horrible governance has made an entire continent technologically backwards with primitive economic systems in Latin America /s

[Napkizemlja]

This made me chuckle, its unironically correct!

The CIA is the reason Iran exists, change my mind

Cyrus the Great intensifies

[Pasong Tirad]

Reporters suggesting the resignation is fraudulent and forced upon Morales by the military. He'll probably make a more honest statement once his appeal for asylum has been granted - I believe Mexico's offered.

[Torrocca]

Morales' home was also ransacked, apparently after the coup's success.