Is it disrespectful to sit during the Pledge?

[San Montalbano]

Are we still pretending that Cultural Marxism is actually a thing and not something the Nazis made up?

Anyone who thinks cultural marxism exists is a bad person and unintentional nazi sympathizer.

Interesting opinion and very tolerant

[Kowani]

> Cultural Marxism believes in class collaberationism
> It believes in 'pretending' to be a 'victim'!

Begone. You know nothing of what you speak, which is extremely typical. Allow me to ask this.
Why do blacks supposedly commit the majority of crime? You are faced with two options. Either it is something to do with their 'race' or 'culture' which somehow stands independent of their material circumstances (Just the way they are!), or it is the history of and current material and social conditions of which they live. If it is the latter, then your so called "Oppression politics" point is utter nonsense.

Blacks commit crime because of the states failure to ensure cultural stability, it allowed things like rap(which often perpetuated killing, rap, drugs etc) to be a norm in black society.

Black society embraces this and raises its children on it, it is tragic as black and white are brothers of the same nation.

…You understand nothing about poverty, violence or music in general.

[Tekeristan]

> Cultural Marxism believes in class collaberationism
> It believes in 'pretending' to be a 'victim'!

Begone. You know nothing of what you speak, which is extremely typical. Allow me to ask this.
Why do blacks supposedly commit the majority of crime? You are faced with two options. Either it is something to do with their 'race' or 'culture' which somehow stands independent of their material circumstances (Just the way they are!), or it is the history of and current material and social conditions of which they live. If it is the latter, then your so called "Oppression politics" point is utter nonsense.

Blacks commit crime because of the states failure to ensure cultural stability, it allowed things like rap(which often perpetuated killing, rap, drugs etc) to be a norm in black society.

Black society embraces this and raises its children on it, it is tragic as black and white are brothers of the same nation.

So it is the fault of black people rather than society and its historical trends?

[Ifreann]

Anyone who thinks cultural marxism exists is a bad person and unintentional nazi sympathizer.

Interesting opinion and very tolerant

Just say "So much for the tolerant left", it's funnier that way.

[Tekeristan]

Blacks commit crime because of the states failure to ensure cultural stability, it allowed things like rap(which often perpetuated killing, rap, drugs etc) to be a norm in black society.

Black society embraces this and raises its children on it, it is tragic as black and white are brothers of the same nation.

…You understand nothing about poverty, violence or music in general.

As has been shown endlessly, fascism doesn't base itself as a cohesive or even based ideology. It's gut feelings and unsourced observations of 'trends' as opposed to social and material forces

[San Montalbano]

Blacks commit crime because of the states failure to ensure cultural stability, it allowed things like rap(which often perpetuated killing, rap, drugs etc) to be a norm in black society.

Black society embraces this and raises its children on it, it is tragic as black and white are brothers of the same nation.

So it is the fault of black people rather than society and its historical trends?

Black community leaders and the currupt globalist corporate state are

General black people? No

[Neutraligon]

None of which has to do with if sitting during the pledge is in fact disrespectful.

You've offered one example where it might not be, and I'm inclined to question the sincerity of someone who chooses to sit because they feel they do not understand it given what they would know by the time they reached middle school. In any case, it's an appeal to one of the three categories I set aside - in this case ignorance.

And I don't mean to be a raging bitch but I tend to presume that other people learn as quickly as I do and am genuinely surprised when they do not. And I don't think of myself as being brilliant in the slightest. Maybe slightly above average at best.

I have seen no evidence that you are in anyway a faster learner then I. My experience in general was that children in middle school either did not care, or did not think about the complexities that come with the pledge (for that matter many adults do not think of it either). To them it was a useless series of words they had to get through in the morning....Well that was until 9-11 happened. Things kinda changed after that. As to it being ignorance, depends exactly what you mean when you say that people do not say it due to ignorance.

[San Montalbano]

Interesting opinion and very tolerant

Just say "So much for the tolerant left", it's funnier that way.

That would assume i think the modern left is tolerant, they are not

[Tekeristan]

So it is the fault of black people rather than society and its historical trends?

Black community leaders and the currupt globalist corporate state are

General black people? No

What a weak cop-out
If the Blacks just pulled themselves up by their boot straps and put on a suit and tie, then clearly it wouldn't all be an issue.
What is this weird fascistic fetishization of "civility" and "order"? It's so utterly detached

[The Holy Therns]

Whether or not it's disrespectful is meaningless to me. If a society gets that worked up about it, that society has some flaws it needs to look at.

[Plzen]

As has been shown endlessly, fascism doesn't base itself as a cohesive or even based ideology. It's gut feelings and unsourced observations of 'trends' as opposed to social and material forces

The best way to argue with someone standing on a mountain of abstractions given substance solely through linguistic tricks is to ask them to define, clearly and unambiguously, the terms that they use. In many cases this alone is enough to show how ridiculous the arguments build on these concepts are.

We all saw the definition for "cultural Marxism." Should I start hounding after a definition of "fascism?" It's a lot harder for these extremists when they are forced to define their own position and defend it, rather than simply attacking the flaws of a system from some nebulous extremist ideal.

[San Montalbano]

Black community leaders and the currupt globalist corporate state are

General black people? No

What a weak cop-out
If the Blacks just pulled themselves up by their boot straps and put on a suit and tie, then clearly it wouldn't all be an issue.
What is this weird fascistic fetishization of "civility" and "order"? It's so utterly detached

Who said they had to do it on their own? The state should be collaberating with black leadership

[Ifreann]

Just say "So much for the tolerant left", it's funnier that way.

That would assume i think the modern left is tolerant, they are not

That would assume nothing of the sort. It means literally the opposite of that.

[San Montalbano]

That would assume i think the modern left is tolerant, they are not

That would assume nothing of the sort. It means literally the opposite of that.

Do you think the modern left is tolerant?

[Tekeristan]

As has been shown endlessly, fascism doesn't base itself as a cohesive or even based ideology. It's gut feelings and unsourced observations of 'trends' as opposed to social and material forces

The best way to argue with someone standing on a mountain of abstractions given substance solely through linguistic tricks is to ask them to define, clearly and unambiguously, the terms that they use. In many cases this alone is enough to show how ridiculous the arguments build on these concepts are.

We all saw the definition for "cultural Marxism." Should I start hounding after a definition of "fascism?" It's a lot harder for these extremists when they are forced to define their own position and defend it, rather than simply attacking the flaws of a system from some nebulous extremist ideal.

I have an odd sympathy for fascists, which is a super sour thing for me to say, but it's because I have enough empathy to know where they come from. There is also the slightest, slightest cut of respect, because at least they acknowledge that something is fundamentally wrong with the way things are. The problem is they don't follow things to their conclusion.

But rather than be faced with discomfort, they chase more tales that are easier and more comforting to understand. One can't blame a cold dog for lying where it is warm, but that's just not the world we live in.

Plus, there's a whole emotional front to it, but that's a whole story in of itself.

[Fahran]

Not really. America can have some things that are good and some that are bad and a person might denounce the bad while benefiting from the good. Nothing counter-intuitive here, unless you think respect for a country must be an all or nothing affair. Love it or leave it. You're either with us or with the terrorists.

Except refusing to pledge allegiance doesn't leave room for greys. You're stating that you lack loyalty to the country because it doesn't deserve your loyalty, that you value your own comfort and leisure more than you value open demonstration of your loyalty, or you make up some other rationalization that reveals or even concedes ignorance of what the pledge means. If you wanted to express your loyalty while protesting, you could do that. But refusing to recite the pledge doesn't do that. It is by its very nature throwing out baby with bathwater.

Where on Earth did you get the idea that people who don't participate in the pledge do not have positive contributions to make towards the community?

Why should I bother listening to someone who does not have my best interest and the best interests of the community at large at heart?

Declining to participate in the pledge doesn't necessarily constitute a protest.

All of the examples that have been cited seem to suggest one form of protest or another. The only exceptions that occur to me relate to those who have suffered such severe health issues that they're unable to recite it without excessive pain or difficulty. Even the "I didn't understand it" argument was ostensibly a form of protest against children having the ability to adequately honor such a pledge.

No it doesn't. It suggests nothing. You've left yourself enough space to say "Well that doesn't count" to literally anything I might say. So no, you prove your assertion to be true. I assume you have some kind of large scale survey of reasons for why people decline to participate in the pledge. That or you're just making shit up, like one of those "There are two kinds of people" things.

It's a refutable hypothesis.

[Tekeristan]

That would assume nothing of the sort. It means literally the opposite of that.

Do you think the modern left is tolerant?

There is nothing inherent to the idea of tolerance that includes it being 'tolerate' of the intolerant.
It's the paradox of tolerance.

[Tekeristan]

What a weak cop-out
If the Blacks just pulled themselves up by their boot straps and put on a suit and tie, then clearly it wouldn't all be an issue.
What is this weird fascistic fetishization of "civility" and "order"? It's so utterly detached

Who said they had to do it on their own? The state should be collaberating with black leadership

That state is explicitly not interested in doing so and the reason is that there are social-economic benefits to certain people in keeping things the way they are

[San Montalbano]

Do you think the modern left is tolerant?

There is nothing inherent to the idea of tolerance that includes it being 'tolerate' of the intolerant.
It's the paradox of tolerance.

False

Tolerance implies you are accepting something even if you disagree with it

I tolerate you for example

[Tekeristan]

There is nothing inherent to the idea of tolerance that includes it being 'tolerate' of the intolerant.
It's the paradox of tolerance.

False

Tolerance implies you are accepting something even if you disagree with it

I tolerate you for example

Tolerance is accepting other people. It's not about accepting those who seek to degrade, dehumanize, or destroy you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance easy link for you.

[San Montalbano]

Who said they had to do it on their own? The state should be collaberating with black leadership

That state is explicitly not interested in doing so and the reason is that there are social-economic benefits to certain people in keeping things the way they are

Agreed the state puts profits above its own people, tragic.

[Fahran]

I have seen no evidence that you are in anyway a faster learner then I.

Hence why I doubt your sincerity. I understood the pledge of allegiance quite early, and adequately enough to recite it without quibble or misgivings. There's not much in the words themselves that would muddle understanding.

IMy experience in general was that children in middle school either did not care, or did not think about the complexities that come with the pledge (for that matter many adults do not think of it either). To them it was a useless series of words they had to get through in the morning....Well that was until 9-11 happened.

What new meaning did it assume in the aftermath of 9/11?

IThings kinda changed after that. As to it being ignorance, depends exactly what you mean when you say that people do not say it due to ignorance.

"I do not understand it and so I do not recite it" or "I'm angry about this and so I do not recite it even though I'm still a loyal citizen." One confesses ignorance of meaning. The other reveals it unintentionally.

[Tekeristan]

That state is explicitly not interested in doing so and the reason is that there are social-economic benefits to certain people in keeping things the way they are

Agreed the state puts profits above its own people, tragic.

It is tragic, I'd go as far to say it is extremely tragic.
Now why do they that? Who's interests are they bulwarking in doing so?
Would it, perhaps, be capital?

[San Montalbano]

False

Tolerance implies you are accepting something even if you disagree with it

I tolerate you for example

Tolerance is accepting other people. It's not about accepting those who seek to degrade, dehumanize, or destroy you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance easy link for you.

Sort of how you degrade people onto being nazi sympathizers and call people like steven crowder fascist or have i mistaken you for someone else.

[San Montalbano]

Agreed the state puts profits above its own people, tragic.

It is tragic, I'd go as far to say it is extremely tragic.
Now why do they that? Who's interests are they bulwarking in doing so?
Would it, perhaps, be capital?

Globalist capitalism that has been left unchecked

They work for themselves and the elites across the oceans disregarding their tribes.