Is it disrespectful to sit during the Pledge?

[Neutraligon]

Nah, some people make this huge deal about the pledge. I'd argue that I have no business pledging my life to anybody or any entity other than God.

Interesting outlook, a theocratic one at that.

I also dig your banner

Not an uncommon outlook. I men the JWs had an entire court case about it.

[San Montalbano]

Conservatives issues is that they preserve that which is rotten, they are little better than the leftists as they are complacent in their own destruction.

Hello fascist, following golden ideals that never existed and are unattainable because you don't acknowledge what's actually doing things, nice to see you leak through. Not that it was difficult or not in the first place.

Crowder isn't a conservative, nor is Shapiro. Well, at least not in what they seek the preserve - which is the economic order both domestically and internationally. And especially not Spencer, the emotionally malignant individual that he is

Crowder is a classic liberal, shapiro a classic liberal with an israel fetish and spencer is a white seperatist

Fascists they are not

[Fahran]

Interesting outlook, a theocratic one at that.

I also dig your banner

Not an uncommon outlook. I men the JWs had an entire court case about it.

A nation of JWs is not to be desired.

[San Montalbano]

Do you believe the united states to be on stolen land and it should disband?

No, because at this point the economic and global structure is so tied to it that it would be stupid and cause worse effects than it staying. If you want to go that route, Mexico(From which I am ethnically descended from) is also on stolen land. Should it disband? No, because that's also stupid.

Reforms are needed yes, perhaps even revolution to fix some issues, but not it's total and utter destruction as a geopolitical entity. Perhaps a change of identity, structure, etc. is tolerable, but not it's total erase from existence.

You want to change the identity and structure of the nation, in effect disbanding the idea of the united states.

[Kannap]

Interesting outlook, a theocratic one at that.

I also dig your banner

Not an uncommon outlook. I men the JWs had an entire court case about it.

I wish I'd known about West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette sooner in life, to be sure.

[Kannap]

Not an uncommon outlook. I men the JWs had an entire court case about it.

A nation of JWs is not to be desired.

A nation of religious freedom is, however.

[True Refuge]

Actually you are, because if you only cover what you consider the most severe, it then hides the extent to which these problems occurred.

You can't spend years covering every perceived abuse. Anywhere. You'll never touch on more important subject matter if you do that.

That’s not what’s being asked for. People are asking that a proportionate amount be taught.

[Tekeristan]

Hello fascist, following golden ideals that never existed and are unattainable because you don't acknowledge what's actually doing things, nice to see you leak through. Not that it was difficult or not in the first place.

Crowder isn't a conservative, nor is Shapiro. Well, at least not in what they seek the preserve - which is the economic order both domestically and internationally. And especially not Spencer, the emotionally malignant individual that he is

Crowder is a classic liberal, shapiro a classic liberal with an israel fetish and spencer is a white seperatist

Fascists they are not

They sure love to be picked up by fascists in their crusade against so called "Political correctness", course whether or not they'll realize that they'll be dumped in a ditch the moment they're no longer of use to them is not knowable outside of a deep conversation with them in a late afternoon.
White Supremacists are fascists.

[San Montalbano]

You want to change the identity and structure of the nation, in effect disbanding the idea of the united states.

I never said I want to, I said that that was preferable to it's total annihilation in the manner you described.

That would be the annihilation of the nation, by de facto.

[Fahran]

A nation of JWs is not to be desired.

A nation of religious freedom is, however.

No disputes here. I'm merely asserting that JWs are not exactly model citizens given their views on secular governance.

[Kannap]

A nation of religious freedom is, however.

No disputes here. I'm merely asserting that JWs are not exactly model citizens given their views on secular governance.

Broken clock is still right twice a day.

[San Montalbano]

Crowder is a classic liberal, shapiro a classic liberal with an israel fetish and spencer is a white seperatist

Fascists they are not

They sure love to be picked up by fascists in their crusade against so called "Political correctness", course whether or not they'll realize that they'll be dumped in a ditch the moment they're no longer of use to them is not knowable outside of a deep conversation with them in a late afternoon.
White Supremacists are fascists.

White supremacists are not fascist as they place race above the state/nation.

You would also have to point to the “fascists” whom are “picking them up”

[Tekeristan]

I never said I want to, I said that that was preferable to it's total annihilation in the manner you described.

That would be the annihilation of the nation, by de facto.

What 'defines' a nation to you?

[Kannap]

A nation of religious freedom is, however.

Agreed.
As a former wannabe JW, I strongly agree with it and will never do the pledge of allegiance again due to it's blasphemy and satanist undertones.

It's shame its so firmly indoctrinated in schools. I look back with disgust that we were required to stand and recite the damned thing every single morning for a large portion of our lives.

[Fahran]

You can't spend years covering every perceived abuse. Anywhere. You'll never touch on more important subject matter if you do that.

That’s not what’s being asked for. People are asking that a proportionate amount be taught.

They're listing abuses that are not taught to middle-schoolers and then claiming it as evidence that our educational institutions whitewash our history. We do teach our middle-schoolers about the most severe abuses and atrocities committed throughout our history. To claim we're whitewashing history because we don't expend time covering a particular pet subject isn't a good argument. We don't have time to cover every abuse. No country's educational institutions do. Because then we wouldn't have time to cover civics and other important subjects.

[Tekeristan]

That would be the annihilation of the nation, by de facto.

Disagree, by changing some identity or structure, that's reform. Nations have had reforms before. Revolution is a way of forcing reform.

As such it is consistent with the idea of the United States.

Revolution is not a way of forcing reform. Revolution fundamentally changes the power structure. Reform are changes under that power structure.

[Plzen]

It's my firm belief that religion is no business of the State's. That is to say, nothing that would be illegal if done by a secular entity ought to be permitted just because an entity is religious.

[Fahran]

No disputes here. I'm merely asserting that JWs are not exactly model citizens given their views on secular governance.

Fair enough, but that specific viewpoint is something I agree with, even if I disagree with them now on a variety of things.

You owe loyalty only to G-d? That's a pretty extreme religious stance. I can respect it, but it is not one I abide by despite my own deep piety.

[San Montalbano]

That would be the annihilation of the nation, by de facto.

Disagree, by changing some identity or structure, that's reform. Nations have had reforms before. Revolution is a way of forcing reform.

As such it is consistent with the idea of the United States.

Do you think revolution is neccessary is “reforming america”?

[Tekeristan]

Disagree, by changing some identity or structure, that's reform. Nations have had reforms before. Revolution is a way of forcing reform.

As such it is consistent with the idea of the United States.

Do you think revolution is neccessary is “reforming america”?

Do you?

[San Montalbano]

That would be the annihilation of the nation, by de facto.

What 'defines' a nation to you?

The common culture/tradition and history of a state and the ideals of which that state was founded upon, among other variables.

[Neutraligon]

That’s not what’s being asked for. People are asking that a proportionate amount be taught.

They're listing abuses that are not taught to middle-schoolers and then claiming it as evidence that our educational institutions whitewash our history. We do teach our middle-schoolers about the most severe abuses and atrocities committed throughout our history. To claim we're whitewashing history because we don't expend time covering a particular pet subject isn't a good argument. We don't have time to cover every abuse. No country's educational institutions do. Because then we wouldn't have time to cover civics and other important subjects.

Like I said, it is amazing how wrong you can be. First of all I said nothing about middle schoolers. Second I started learning in depth US history in 7th grad, which continued int 8th grade for the US history starting about WW1. Before that it is the bare bones thing taught to young children, which by necessity is dumbed down so much that I would say it is actually inaccurate. True Refuge did indeed get my point rather well.

[San Montalbano]

Do you think revolution is neccessary is “reforming america”?

Do you?

Wierd, just asking the same question back

No, revolution is not neccessary nor is it feasible at the moment

[Tekeristan]

What 'defines' a nation to you?

The common culture/tradition and history of a state and the ideals of which that state was founded upon, among other variables.

Now what has caused, and why, these supposed traditions and ideals to have degraded?
Would you consider Marxism to be a "western" thought?

[True Refuge]

That’s not what’s being asked for. People are asking that a proportionate amount be taught.

They're listing abuses that are not taught to middle-schoolers and then claiming it as evidence that our educational institutions whitewash our history. We do teach our middle-schoolers about the most severe abuses and atrocities committed throughout our history. To claim we're whitewashing history because we don't expend time covering a particular pet subject isn't a good argument. We don't have time to cover every abuse. No country's educational institutions do. Because then we wouldn't have time to cover civics and other important subjects.

The current way the subject is taught paints the atrocities as isolated incidents rather than the reality of it, which is a continuous stream of injustices since European settlements started.