Is it disrespectful to sit during the Pledge?

[Neutraligon]

Yes, and you'll probably end up like this poor kid: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... qC82zZzQMc

How and you mean beat up by someone who clearly does not understand either the pledge of the laws of the country he is supposed to protect?

[Necroghastia]

It's not really unthinking loyalty if you teach them civics and history, and then do not mandate the pledge.

Civics is not taught till much later, namely 9th grade. History is taught...a very white washed version of history.

Like, how many kindergarteners actually know what things like "allegiance" and "indivisible" mean? I distinctly remember not really knowing until like... 3rd grade, and I was one of the more book-smart students.

[Salandriagado]

People not helping to propagate your bullshit is not censorship.

Not helping is not the same as activley suppressing

They could have simply ignored them, but instead chose to shut them down

No. Deplatforming is explicitly just ceasing to help.

[Salandriagado]

Civics is not taught till much later, namely 9th grade. History is taught...a very white washed version of history.

Like, how many kindergarteners actually know what things like "allegiance" and "indivisible" mean? I distinctly remember not really knowing until like... 3rd grade, and I was one of the more book-smart students.

Hell, how many adults do you think could give a clear and concise definition of "allegiance" without looking it up? Because I'd be prepared to bet that it's well under half. And that's before we even get into "liberty" and "justice".

[Neutraligon]

Civics is not taught till much later, namely 9th grade. History is taught...a very white washed version of history.

Like, how many kindergarteners actually know what things like "allegiance" and "indivisible" mean? I distinctly remember not really knowing until like... 3rd grade, and I was one of the more book-smart students.

I learned indivisible at about that time since 3rd grade was when we learned fractions. I technically new what allegiance meant, but there are nuances to it that I did not understand until much later.

[San Montalbano]

Not helping is not the same as activley suppressing

They could have simply ignored them, but instead chose to shut them down

No. Deplatforming is explicitly just ceasing to help.

I disagree deplatforming is removing a means in which someone can express themselves.

[Biscany]

Is it disrespectful? To those who've served in the military, yes it's sort of disrespectful, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed or illegal in any way.

How is it disrespectful?

In my eyes, it's sort of like saying you couldn't care enough to stand up for like 10 seconds to the flag that countless of people have died over, which is why I always choose to do it. A lot of my uncles and cousins have served in the military and it wouldn't sit right with me if I disregarded the pledge despite it taking only a minute amount of my time and energy. To me it's just a quick and painless spiritual show of respect to those who've died to keep us safe.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

No. Deplatforming is explicitly just ceasing to help.

I disagree deplatforming is removing a means in which someone can express themselves.

You could idfkn buy a megaphone and do it the old fashioned way.

[The Strangers Club]

Yes, and you'll probably end up like this poor kid: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... qC82zZzQMc

How and you mean beat up by someone who clearly does not understand either the pledge of the laws of the country he is supposed to protect?

I know that's why I am saying that it is apparently a sign of disrespect for some idiots who don't understand the Constitution or even what the American flag stands for. I have no sympathy for this asshole and I hope he gets treated the same away he treated that poor kid who didn't deserve any of what happened to him by the hands of this monster.

[Salandriagado]

No. Deplatforming is explicitly just ceasing to help.

I disagree deplatforming is removing a means in which someone can express themselves.

No it isn't. It's a particular organisation deciding that it is not willing to help you to express yourself.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

How is it disrespectful?

In my eyes, it's sort of like saying you couldn't care enough to stand up for like 10 seconds to the flag that countless of people have died over, which is why I always choose to do it. A lot of my uncles and cousins have served in the military and it wouldn't sit right with me if I disregarded the pledge despite it taking only a minute amount of my time and energy. To me it's just a quick and painless spiritual show of respect to those who've died to keep us safe.

I'm not sure that there is a national flag worth respecting though, certainly not one worth some big national ceremony in all schools.

[San Montalbano]

It's not really unthinking loyalty if you teach them civics and history, and then do not mandate the pledge.

Civics is not taught till much later, namely 9th grade. History is taught...a very white washed version of history.

White washed is subjective and also commonly used by cultural marxists to increase tensions between ethnic groups and spread disunity, not saying you are one btw.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I disagree deplatforming is removing a means in which someone can express themselves.

No it isn't. It's a particular organisation deciding that it is not willing to help you to express yourself.

As said he could buy a fucking megaphone.

[Tekeristan]

Sitting during the pledge is the right thing to do
It's dumb we even have one

[The Blaatschapen]

No it isn't. It's a particular organisation deciding that it is not willing to help you to express yourself.

As said he could buy a fucking megaphone.

In the case of Trump this would be a magaphone.

[True Refuge]

Second it is the actvity or movement to initaite marx-esque change in a nation, such things include class struggle, oppression politics, political correctness etc etc

So you defined an imagined abstraction in terms of more imagined abstractions. But fair enough. Let's look at those things one by one.

"Class struggle" - so do you not believe that people in similar economic situations ought to collectively advocate for their common interests?
"Oppression politics" - is political oppression not an issue that concern you a great deal? should we not seek to reduce societal oppression?
"Political correctness" - this is a meaningless term. "correct" according to what standard? the original definition was the CPSU party line, but those guys don't exist any more

Hence why the definition can be conveniently used to deride the entirety of left-wing thought and activism, since "Marxesque" covers everything up to "maybe capitalism isn't perfect????"

[San Montalbano]

No it isn't. It's a particular organisation deciding that it is not willing to help you to express yourself.

As said he could buy a fucking megaphone.

That dosnt change that deplatforming is used to shut down someones speech.

Its not permanent, you can buy megaphone, but it is a tactic to quell anothers expressions.

[Neutraligon]

How is it disrespectful?

In my eyes, it's sort of like saying you couldn't care enough to stand up for like 10 seconds to the flag that countless of people have died over, which is why I always choose to do it. A lot of my uncles and cousins have served in the military and it wouldn't sit right with me if I disregarded the pledge despite it taking only a minute amount of my time and energy. To me it's just a quick and painless spiritual show of respect to those who've died to keep us safe.

Funny since like I said I would not stand for the pledge unless I feel the situation is appropriate, namely when joining the military or becoming a civil servant. At all other times I think the pledge should not be recited at all, and that it is disrespectful to use it. A pledge is something I take seriously, it is something that should not be said or stood for lightly. To show my respect to my country and to the people who have fought (both figuratively and actually) for the ideals I believe in (too many times the country has not stood for those ideals) I would not stand except in those most serious of circumstances. To do otherwise is to take it and that pledge lightly.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

As said he could buy a fucking megaphone.

That dosnt change that deplatforming is used to shut down someones speech.

Its not permanent, you can buy megaphone, but it is a tactic to quell anothers expressions.

Maybe I just grew up with the expectation that I would not be catered to by the general public idk.

[True Refuge]

Civics is not taught till much later, namely 9th grade. History is taught...a very white washed version of history.

White washed is subjective and also commonly used by cultural marxists to increase tensions between ethnic groups and spread disunity, not saying you are one btw.

Why the fuck would they try to increase tensions between ethnic groups? Even assuming that Cultural Marxism is an actual thing, that goes against the supposed purpose of class struggle and class consciousness. Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

[Biscany]

I'm assuming we're pledging allegiance to the constitutional ideals of America; freedom of speech, freedom of religion, etc. etc., rather than pledging allegiance to the physical entity that is the US. That's the idea I've gotten whenever I took the pledge, I'm not pledging myself to literally the nation of the United States, I'm pledging myself to its ideals. Hence "to the Republic, for which it stands."

For which it stands is speaking about the flag. basically it is saying I pledge allegiance to the Republic but more convoluted since it sound better I guess.

And the flag is the symbol of America's ideals (in a sense). And I guess pledging to the Republic is sort of like pledging to Democracy, or our specific system of it?

[Fahran]

It's precisely because I've taken years of political theory that I feel the need to poke holes in definitions. Many political concepts have no real basis in physical reality, and while there's nothing inherently wrong with that, some deeply odd conclusions can be justified if one confuses imagined abstractions for concrete entities.

Ideals and concepts are often formed as a reflection of reality, but the key point is that they are indeed reflections as opposed to mirages that will fade away when pressed. We can define them. We can, to some extent, grasp them.

Given that definition of a nation, I'd ask you to then justify, what makes this community meaningful? Why should I consider people to be special just because they share my language, come from the same region, or have the same ancestors? I'd also ask you, what is "culture?"

Presumably, you have answers to most of these questions if you're are not an incorrigible post-modernist who strives to dismantle all meanings and all boundaries. The community is meaningful in that it exists apart from other communities, ties individuals together in a common dialogue on identity, history, values, etc., and gives rise to organs that structure society. In a word, it gives us a sense of who we are as individuals and as a group. When we move between communities, we can see pretty stark differences in how people identify, what people value, what languages and dialects people use, what political structures people manifest, etc.

I've met and spoken to people around the world who share the same sort of weekly routine I live through, who have the same attitudes I have, who share my profession, my hobbies, preferences, and interests. So why do I share a "culture" with other people in my supposed "nationality" that I have almost no understanding of, rather than these people that I share so much with?

Most people seem to inherit a lot from their community without realizing it. I've noticed that practically everyone in the West will make political or economic arguments that only make sense in the context of their communities. If you rambled about freedom to an average Saudi, they'd look at you like you'd grown a pair of horns a lot of the time because the liberal conception of freedom does not shape how they perceive themselves and the world as much as, say, obedience to G-d and his laws does.

[True Refuge]

As said he could buy a fucking megaphone.

That dosnt change that deplatforming is used to shut down someones speech.

Its not permanent, you can buy megaphone, but it is a tactic to quell anothers expressions.

Why should someone be forced to be associated with someone else's opinions?

[San Montalbano]

White washed is subjective and also commonly used by cultural marxists to increase tensions between ethnic groups and spread disunity, not saying you are one btw.

Why the fuck would they try to increase tensions between ethnic groups? Even assuming that Cultural Marxism is an actual thing, that goes against the supposed purpose of class struggle and class consciousness. Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

Increasing tensions is a way to incite a revolution, it is mereley a means to an end, not an end itself.

[Tekeristan]

White washed is subjective and also commonly used by cultural marxists to increase tensions between ethnic groups and spread disunity, not saying you are one btw.

Why the fuck would they try to increase tensions between ethnic groups? Even assuming that Cultural Marxism is an actual thing, that goes against the supposed purpose of class struggle and class consciousness. Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

They're a fascist, does any of this surprise you?