Is it disrespectful to sit during the Pledge?

[Satuga]

Because pledging has been a thing for generations before the nazis and the only reason why it hasn't gained such a traction is because the west is knows of the pledge while the they are ignorant about the salute or swastika. So honestly it's western ignorance that caused it.

Umm... no. While the pledge was created in an alternate form in the 1890s, it wasn't widely used until the rise of Nationalism in the 1930s. So it's concurrent with the Nazis.

The pledge in it's modern form didn't exist until 1954. Not exactly pre-Nazi.

Pledges were created by countries way before then, whether the roman military sacrament or a British Oath of Allegiance created back in 1455 enacted by King Henry the fourth, while it wasn't like all kids would say the pledge during schooling it still existed, not to mention back then schooling was considered a luxury as a majority of the population back then were poor. So in it's modern form yeah it's recent that's why it's called modern.

[Satuga]

I know they added the "Under God" part then... That's actually were I first had my dislike of it.

In which you can just skip saying that part.

[Rainbowsix]

I know they added the "Under God" part then... That's actually were I first had my dislike of it.

In which you can just skip saying that part.

they added the words under god during the cold war if you didn't know

[West Leas Oros 2]

I know they added the "Under God" part then... That's actually were I first had my dislike of it.

In which you can just skip saying that part.

In that case, why not skip the whole thing?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Yes it is disrespectful, but that is the point. Theoretically speaking you have the right to make that point in america.

It is what it is. I never stand through the pledge. I’m not American. Don’t feel like I should. I think it’s more disrespectful to be hypocritical and stand during it if you don’t feel like it. But like you said, you do have the freedom to choose.

[Satuga]

In which you can just skip saying that part.

they added the words under god during the cold war if you didn't know

Surprisingly I didn't mainly cause I didn't much care to look that part up lol.

[West Leas Oros 2]

In which you can just skip saying that part.

they added the words under god during the cold war if you didn't know

I know.

[Satuga]

In which you can just skip saying that part.

In that case, why not skip the whole thing?

In which you can, but don't expect to be clapped at when you do.

[Vassenor]

In that case, why not skip the whole thing?

In which you can, but don't expect to be clapped at when you do.

Who's expecting to be clapped at?

[West Leas Oros 2]

In that case, why not skip the whole thing?

In which you can, but don't expect to be clapped at when you do.

I don't expect to. I just expect to not get hounded by people lecturing me for hours about "being a good citizen"

[Oxes Republic]

you forgot the to the republic for which it stands which being the United States of America implies its the United States republic and their values

I didn't forget it the whole argument they were making is that you are pledging to the flag and the country rather than the country and what the flag and country stands for.

Well the America described by the pledge is one with liberty and justice for all

[Satuga]

Are you in a private school? Cause if you're in a public school they have no authority to force you to do the pledge and if they try could get in legal trouble for violation of the 1st amendment.

No, i'm not in a private school, I just don't want to risk ruining my reputation or getting in trouble. Besides, I don't really have a reason to press any charges. Too much hassle.

Why are you going to be upset about standing for the flag but then not actually do anything? Because it's too much of a hassle? Really?

[Satuga]

In which you can, but don't expect to be clapped at when you do.

Who's expecting to be clapped at?

I'm not legit saying they're going to be clapped at, I'm saying don't expect anything if you do or don't.

[Satuga]

In which you can, but don't expect to be clapped at when you do.

I don't expect to. I just expect to not get hounded by people lecturing me for hours about "being a good citizen"

If you simply say "it's my opinion"I doubt anyones going to say anything more than "really?" or "ok" most people will just leave you alone.

[West Leas Oros 2]

No, i'm not in a private school, I just don't want to risk ruining my reputation or getting in trouble. Besides, I don't really have a reason to press any charges. Too much hassle.

Why are you going to be upset about standing for the flag but then not actually do anything? Because it's too much of a hassle? Really?

I'm upset because they're forcing me to do this and I can't really do anything about it. It's a lot of hassle, for very little gain. I lose more than I gain doing it. I'm not going to commit social suicide by making a big deal out of it. Besides, usually I just stand there silently. The one time I sat down I was busy with some work.

[Satuga]

I didn't forget it the whole argument they were making is that you are pledging to the flag and the country rather than the country and what the flag and country stands for.

Well the America described by the pledge is one with liberty and justice for all

Well that is kinda the whole foundation of the US, even if it needs some patching.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Why are you going to be upset about standing for the flag but then not actually do anything? Because it's too much of a hassle? Really?

I'm upset because they're forcing me to do this and I can't really do anything about it. It's a lot of hassle, for very little gain. I lose more than I gain doing it. I'm not going to commit social suicide by making a big deal out of it. Besides, usually I just stand there silently. The one time I sat down I was busy with some work.

If you have to force patriotism or love for country, of any kind by forcing people to pledge, that’s rather silly.

[Kernen]

I don't expect to. I just expect to not get hounded by people lecturing me for hours about "being a good citizen"

If you simply say "it's my opinion"I doubt anyones going to say anything more than "really?" or "ok" most people will just leave you alone.

We shouldn't have to do anything in the first place. That we had to affirmatively act to avoid a loyalty pledge as minor students is itself concerning. If you want to swear such an oath, do so, but don't make it part of the daily ritual.

[West Leas Oros 2]

I'm upset because they're forcing me to do this and I can't really do anything about it. It's a lot of hassle, for very little gain. I lose more than I gain doing it. I'm not going to commit social suicide by making a big deal out of it. Besides, usually I just stand there silently. The one time I sat down I was busy with some work.

If you have to force patriotism or love for country, of any kind by forcing people to pledge, that’s rather silly.

Well apparently, the old US of A think otherwise.

[Satuga]

Why are you going to be upset about standing for the flag but then not actually do anything? Because it's too much of a hassle? Really?

I'm upset because they're forcing me to do this and I can't really do anything about it. It's a lot of hassle, for very little gain. I lose more than I gain doing it. I'm not going to commit social suicide by making a big deal out of it. Besides, usually I just stand there silently. The one time I sat down I was busy with some work.

And what happened when you did sit down, and do you have any reference as to what will happen or are you just assuming everyones going to start screaming at you if you do?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

If you have to force patriotism or love for country, of any kind by forcing people to pledge, that’s rather silly.

Well apparently, the old US of A think otherwise.

I was under the impression that SCOTUS ruled several years ago that if you object to say or stand during the pledge, you have that right and can’t be forced by school authorities to do anything.

[Kernen]

I'm upset because they're forcing me to do this and I can't really do anything about it. It's a lot of hassle, for very little gain. I lose more than I gain doing it. I'm not going to commit social suicide by making a big deal out of it. Besides, usually I just stand there silently. The one time I sat down I was busy with some work.

And what happened when you did sit down, and do you have any reference as to what will happen or are you just assuming everyones going to start screaming at you if you do?

Let's not pretend that there are never consequences for not standing, since there were Supreme Court cases on exactly this.

[Satuga]

If you simply say "it's my opinion"I doubt anyones going to say anything more than "really?" or "ok" most people will just leave you alone.

We shouldn't have to do anything in the first place. That we had to affirmatively act to avoid a loyalty pledge as minor students is itself concerning. If you want to swear such an oath, do so, but don't make it part of the daily ritual.

If someone has a different opinion and they approach you that's them engaging with you which is an individual action this kind of thing can happen with literally any opinion. Almost all of the people in my school don't say anything when someone sits down.

[Satuga]

And what happened when you did sit down, and do you have any reference as to what will happen or are you just assuming everyones going to start screaming at you if you do?

Let's not pretend that there are never consequences for not standing, since there were Supreme Court cases on exactly this.

Yes there have been schools that attempted to force students to stand which is in fact illegal, but you should never just assume your school is going to do that just because a few other schools did.

[West Leas Oros 2]

I'm upset because they're forcing me to do this and I can't really do anything about it. It's a lot of hassle, for very little gain. I lose more than I gain doing it. I'm not going to commit social suicide by making a big deal out of it. Besides, usually I just stand there silently. The one time I sat down I was busy with some work.

And what happened when you did sit down, and do you have any reference as to what will happen or are you just assuming everyones going to start screaming at you if you do?

What happened was a teacher came up to me and said "hey u gotta stand for the pledge", and I said "no, I'm busy and don't feel like it", and she said "but u have to, it's for respect" and I said "but i don't want to" and she said "u don't get to choose" and I said "i thought this was a free country". And this time she left me alone, but I don't think I could do it again.