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Postby Gagium » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:17 pm

San Montalbano wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Not mandatory, but if you don't do it you're disloyal. Ungrateful. Worthless to the community. Practically a traitor. No doubt some kind of globalist, whose interests are foreign interests, or worse, a bomb-throwing anarchist.


Debatable on all those sure, people like Antifa come to mind as belonging to all of those in some form.

What does antifa have to do with anything?
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Postby Galloism » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:17 pm

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Galloism wrote:I mean, this post is a lot more disrespectful to the nation and its dead than sitting or kneeling or whatever during the pledge.


No its not, remember you can burn the flag and be patriotic

People died so we can have different opinions....right....

I mean, yeah. They actually did. They paid the ultimate price to uphold the state and the rights and principles it guarantees.
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Postby San Montalbano » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:18 pm

Gagium wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
Debatable on all those sure, people like Antifa come to mind as belonging to all of those in some form.

What does antifa have to do with anything?


It was used as an example for what Ifreann describes
“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
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Postby Gagium » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:21 pm

San Montalbano wrote:
Gagium wrote:What does antifa have to do with anything?


It was used as an example for what Ifreann describes

Eh, I’d have to disagree with you on there then
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:21 pm

San Montalbano wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Not mandatory, but if you don't do it you're disloyal. Ungrateful. Worthless to the community. Practically a traitor. No doubt some kind of globalist, whose interests are foreign interests, or worse, a bomb-throwing anarchist.


Debatable on all those sure, people like Antifa come to mind as belonging to all of those in some form.

Of course vaguely fashy language makes you think of the enemies of fascism.


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Ifreann wrote:If we do it must be obscure and little-used, because I've never heard tell of such a thing. Maybe there's something immigrants recite when they get Irish citizenship.

And do you believe immigrants should have to profess their loyalty to Ireland? Why or why not?

I don't see why they should, I've never had to.

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Postby Kowani » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:22 pm

Fahran wrote:
Ifreann wrote:If we do it must be obscure and little-used, because I've never heard tell of such a thing. Maybe there's something immigrants recite when they get Irish citizenship.

And do you believe immigrants should have to profess their loyalty to Ireland? Why or why not?

Because nobody’s ever broken their word.
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Postby San Montalbano » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:25 pm

Ifreann wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
Debatable on all those sure, people like Antifa come to mind as belonging to all of those in some form.

Of course vaguely fashy language makes you think of the enemies of fascism.


Fahran wrote:And do you believe immigrants should have to profess their loyalty to Ireland? Why or why not?

I don't see why they should, I've never had to.


Well, they call themselves enemies of fascism, there is nothing to suggest they are not
“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
Fascism is the modern states national and natural immune response to unchained capitalism and subversive Marxist ideology.

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Postby Fahran » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:33 pm

Ifreann wrote:I don't see why they should, I've never had to.

Would you say that loyalty is beneficial in a citizen then? Or is it simply a non-factor?
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Postby Fahran » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:33 pm

Kowani wrote:
Fahran wrote:And do you believe immigrants should have to profess their loyalty to Ireland? Why or why not?

Because nobody’s ever broken their word.

People break it all the time, I suppose. But is that not lamentable?
"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

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Postby Kowani » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:38 pm

Fahran wrote:
Kowani wrote:Because nobody’s ever broken their word.

People break it all the time, I suppose. But is that not lamentable?

Only in the loss of trust. The action itself is neutral.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




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Postby Ifreann » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:39 pm

Fahran wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I don't see why they should, I've never had to.

Would you say that loyalty is beneficial in a citizen then? Or is it simply a non-factor?

It's never been a factor for me, why should it be for any other citizen?

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Postby San Montalbano » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:40 pm

Kowani wrote:
Fahran wrote:People break it all the time, I suppose. But is that not lamentable?

Only in the loss of trust. The action itself is neutral.


Morally detestable in pretty much every culture.
“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
Fascism is the modern states national and natural immune response to unchained capitalism and subversive Marxist ideology.

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Postby Catsfern » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:47 pm

Personally I think it's disrespectful if its at any military oriented event, or specifically to honor veterans, but if its just for a football game, or at the beginning of school I could honestly care less.

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Postby Kowani » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:47 pm

San Montalbano wrote:
Kowani wrote:Only in the loss of trust. The action itself is neutral.


Morally detestable in pretty much every culture.

Moral nihilist.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
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Postby San Montalbano » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:53 pm

Kowani wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
Morally detestable in pretty much every culture.

Moral nihilist.


Still detestable, a person with that mind of nihilism could never hope to be trusted, and would be a waste of citizenship.
“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
Fascism is the modern states national and natural immune response to unchained capitalism and subversive Marxist ideology.

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Postby Fahran » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:54 pm

Kowani wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
Morally detestable in pretty much every culture.

Moral nihilist.

The clever person's equivalent to saying "no" to any and all arguments. :p
"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

- Song of the Fallen Star

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Postby Kowani » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:56 pm

San Montalbano wrote:
Kowani wrote:Moral nihilist.


Still detestable, a person with that mind of nihilism could never hope to be trusted, and would be a waste of citizenship.

Yes. Nihilists are the untrustworthy ones, because clearly, nobody belonging to any other ethical belief has ever broken their word, nor is there any evidence that nihilists do so t any greater rate.

Fahran wrote:
Kowani wrote:Moral nihilist.

The clever person's equivalent to saying "no" to any and all arguments. :p

Only those based on morals.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Postby San Montalbano » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:58 pm

Kowani wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
Still detestable, a person with that mind of nihilism could never hope to be trusted, and would be a waste of citizenship.

Yes. Nihilists are the untrustworthy ones, because clearly, nobody belonging to any other ethical belief has ever broken their word, nor is there any evidence that nihilists do so t any greater rate.

Fahran wrote:The clever person's equivalent to saying "no" to any and all arguments. :p

Only those based on morals.


A nihilist is worse in some ways because they have no qualms for anyone/anything, in a word they are souless, thats the best way to describe them
“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
Fascism is the modern states national and natural immune response to unchained capitalism and subversive Marxist ideology.

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Postby Kowani » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:03 pm

San Montalbano wrote:
Kowani wrote:Yes. Nihilists are the untrustworthy ones, because clearly, nobody belonging to any other ethical belief has ever broken their word, nor is there any evidence that nihilists do so t any greater rate.


Only those based on morals.


A nihilist is worse in some ways because they have no qualms for anyone/anything, in a word they are souless, thats the best way to describe them

Well, that’s the first time I’ve been called soulless. Congratulations on being unique.
Of course, the soul doesn’t exist in the first place, morals are personal constructs, and qualms really aren’t as useful as you think they are.
But hey, A for effort.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Postby San Montalbano » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:04 pm

Kowani wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
A nihilist is worse in some ways because they have no qualms for anyone/anything, in a word they are souless, thats the best way to describe them

Well, that’s the first time I’ve been called soulless. Congratulations on being unique.
Of course, the soul doesn’t exist in the first place, morals are personal constructs, and qualms really aren’t as useful as you think they are.
But hey, A for effort.


A self admitted nihlist? Well why should we care about anything you have to say, life is meaningless afterall is it not?
“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
Fascism is the modern states national and natural immune response to unchained capitalism and subversive Marxist ideology.

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Postby Kowani » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:08 pm

San Montalbano wrote:
Kowani wrote:Well, that’s the first time I’ve been called soulless. Congratulations on being unique.
Of course, the soul doesn’t exist in the first place, morals are personal constructs, and qualms really aren’t as useful as you think they are.
But hey, A for effort.


A self admitted nihlist? Well why should we care about anything you have to say, life is meaningless afterall is it not?

I could have sworn I went over this-ah, yes.
Kowani wrote:I’m a nihilist, but perhaps of a different sense than you. I believe that although nothing has any meaning on a cosmic scale-we don’t live or experience anything on a cosmic scale.

Now, the conclusion of “we shouldn’t listen to you” doesn’t follow from the premise “you think life is meaningless”, but okay.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Postby San Montalbano » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:12 pm

Kowani wrote:
San Montalbano wrote:
A self admitted nihlist? Well why should we care about anything you have to say, life is meaningless afterall is it not?

I could have sworn I went over this-ah, yes.
Kowani wrote:I’m a nihilist, but perhaps of a different sense than you. I believe that although nothing has any meaning on a cosmic scale-we don’t live or experience anything on a cosmic scale.

Now, the conclusion of “we shouldn’t listen to you” doesn’t follow from the premise “you think life is meaningless”, but okay.



So your a nihlist on simply a another level of cosmic awareness

Well, im not going to pretend to understand that.
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“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
“We have buried the putrid corpse of liberty”
"We have the duty, not the right, to defend our territories if the state is absent"
“The truth is that men are tired of liberty.”
Fascism is the modern states national and natural immune response to unchained capitalism and subversive Marxist ideology.

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Postby Kowani » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:14 pm

San Montalbano wrote:
Kowani wrote:I could have sworn I went over this-ah, yes.
Now, the conclusion of “we shouldn’t listen to you” doesn’t follow from the premise “you think life is meaningless”, but okay.



So your a nihlist on simply a another level of cosmic awareness

Weell, im not going to pretend to understand that.

…If the point was an airplane, you’d be a submarine.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:21 pm

San Montalbano wrote:
Kowani wrote:I could have sworn I went over this-ah, yes.
Now, the conclusion of “we shouldn’t listen to you” doesn’t follow from the premise “you think life is meaningless”, but okay.



So your a nihlist on simply a another level of cosmic awareness

Well, im not going to pretend to understand that.


*pseudo-nihilist. I've seen him complain over ''immoral'' things throughout NSG.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Spodehaven » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:22 pm

Not really.
Maybe I'll write one of these things

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