Is it disrespectful to sit during the Pledge?

[Flaxxony]

A couple of my buddies and I quit doing it doing Senior year in HS. This was 2013-2014.

Basically we weren't trying to be tools. People never used to have to say the pledge, ever. It was invented in the past 100 years or so.

It's fascistic, it's repetitive, and it feels like brainwashing to have to say it every day in class. What other pledge do you have to renew daily?

We didn't intend it as an insult to anyone. We just saw pledging allegiance as something that should be solemnly and seriously done on an annual basis or something, not every day. It's Orwellian.

[The New California Republic]

It's fascistic, it's repetitive, and it feels like brainwashing to have to say it every day in class. What other pledge do you have to renew daily?

I'm sure some very possessive and paranoid lovers demand something along those lines from their partner every day.

[San Montalbano]

A couple of my buddies and I quit doing it doing Senior year in HS. This was 2013-2014.

Basically we weren't trying to be tools. People never used to have to say the pledge, ever. It was invented in the past 100 years or so.

It's fascistic, it's repetitive, and it feels like brainwashing to have to say it every day in class. What other pledge do you have to renew daily?

We didn't intend it as an insult to anyone. We just saw pledging allegiance as something that should be solemnly and seriously done on an annual basis or something, not every day. It's Orwellian.

Its not fascistic, pledges of loyalty have been around since the dawn of man.

[Kowani]

A couple of my buddies and I quit doing it doing Senior year in HS. This was 2013-2014.

Basically we weren't trying to be tools. People never used to have to say the pledge, ever. It was invented in the past 100 years or so.

It's fascistic, it's repetitive, and it feels like brainwashing to have to say it every day in class. What other pledge do you have to renew daily?

We didn't intend it as an insult to anyone. We just saw pledging allegiance as something that should be solemnly and seriously done on an annual basis or something, not every day. It's Orwellian.

Its not fascistic, pledges of loyalty have been around since the dawn of man.

How many of them are sworn by children everyday?

[Samudera Darussalam]

Its not fascistic, pledges of loyalty have been around since the dawn of man.

How many of them are sworn by children everyday?

We been know that when the babies cry, they say the pledges in the common language of the very young

[San Montalbano]

Its not fascistic, pledges of loyalty have been around since the dawn of man.

How many of them are sworn by children everyday?

Thats not a defense, the point is that pledges are not fascistic, a pledge is like a promise.

Promsing your mom you will do your homework and take the trash out can be a pledge.

[Kowani]

How many of them are sworn by children everyday?

Thats not a defense, the point is that pledges are not fascistic, a pledge is like a promise.

Promsing your mom you will do your homework and take the trash out can be a pledge.

Pledges, no.
The Pledge, referring to the Pledge of Allegiance is right on the line.

[Flaxxony]

Its not fascistic, pledges of loyalty have been around since the dawn of man.

How many of them are sworn by children everyday?

Exactly. Children don't even know what they are "pledging" to. It would never hold up in court. Only adults can do such a thing.

[San Montalbano]

Thats not a defense, the point is that pledges are not fascistic, a pledge is like a promise.

Promsing your mom you will do your homework and take the trash out can be a pledge.

Pledges, no.
The Pledge, referring to the Pledge of Allegiance is right on the line.

Pledging to uphold liberty and justice for all and to a REPUBLIC is fascistic?

[Kowani]

Pledges, no.
The Pledge, referring to the Pledge of Allegiance is right on the line.

Pledging to uphold liberty and justice for all and to a REPUBLIC is fascistic?

“And to the Republic, for which it stands”
Turns out, there’s more to it than just values. After all, fascism is the glorification of…a lot of things, really, but one of them is the nation, exemplified in the State. So yes, along the line. Not quite “Mussolini style”, but not a policy he would’ve eschewed.

[San Montalbano]

Pledging to uphold liberty and justice for all and to a REPUBLIC is fascistic?

“And to the Republic, for which it stands”
Turns out, there’s more to it than just values. After all, fascism is the glorification of…a lot of things, really, but one of them is the nation, exemplified in the State. So yes, along the line. Not quite “Mussolini style”, but not a policy he would’ve eschewed.

Well he would have supported a pledge, but the pledge of fhe united states dosnt stand for exemplification of the state, it is for republic and the values it stands for, the republic that does NOT exemplify the state, in fact, the united states is based on limited government at its core.

[Antityranicals]

I would be anti-Pledge, if it didn't include the words: "Under God." Without those words, I would be pledging unconditional allegiance to an organization of men, something I am not at all comfortable with. As is, however, the "Under God" clause means that I only pledge allegiance to the republic so long as it remains "Under God." Thus, I do not condone the evils of our government by saying the Pledge.

[Kowani]

“And to the Republic, for which it stands”
Turns out, there’s more to it than just values. After all, fascism is the glorification of…a lot of things, really, but one of them is the nation, exemplified in the State. So yes, along the line. Not quite “Mussolini style”, but not a policy he would’ve eschewed.

Well he would have supported a pledge, but the pledge of fhe united states dosnt stand for exemplification of the state, it is for republic and the values it stands for, the republic that does NOT exemplify the state, in fact, the united states is based on limited government at its core.

The Republic is the state, mate.

[Ifreann]

I would be anti-Pledge, if it didn't include the words: "Under God." Without those words, I would be pledging unconditional allegiance to an organization of men, something I am not at all comfortable with. As is, however, the "Under God" clause means that I only pledge allegiance to the republic so long as it remains "Under God." Thus, I do not condone the evils of our government by saying the Pledge.

God's not real, though.

[San Montalbano]

Well he would have supported a pledge, but the pledge of fhe united states dosnt stand for exemplification of the state, it is for republic and the values it stands for, the republic that does NOT exemplify the state, in fact, the united states is based on limited government at its core.

The Republic is the state, mate.

It also specifys “for which it stands” immediatly following “to the republic” that is called clarification.

[Antityranicals]

I would be anti-Pledge, if it didn't include the words: "Under God." Without those words, I would be pledging unconditional allegiance to an organization of men, something I am not at all comfortable with. As is, however, the "Under God" clause means that I only pledge allegiance to the republic so long as it remains "Under God." Thus, I do not condone the evils of our government by saying the Pledge.

God's not real, though.

I don't know what to say to you, man... Convincing a person of this is like convincing a person that gravity exists. It should be common sense, but if it isn't common sense, there's no real way to go about the persuasion. How exactly does anything exist without an uncaused cause? All I can say is, you're wrong.

[Ifreann]

God's not real, though.

I don't know what to say to you, man... Convincing a person of this is like convincing a person that gravity exists. It should be common sense, but if it isn't common sense, there's no real way to go about the persuasion. How exactly does anything exist without an uncaused cause? All I can say is, you're wrong.

How can I be wrong when I'm right? It's just obvious.

[Samicana]

No, it's freedom of speech

[Kowani]

The Republic is the state, mate.

It also specifys “for which it stands” immediatly following “to the republic” that is called clarification.

Yes, “for which it stands” referring to the Flag’s relationship with the country.

[San Montalbano]

It also specifys “for which it stands” immediatly following “to the republic” that is called clarification.

Yes, “for which it stands” referring to the Flag’s relationship with the country.

For which it stands

Liberty and justice for all

Regardless a pledge is not fascistic, because you can pledge to go to war with someone, pledge to go hiking, be a good person etc etc

[Kowani]

Yes, “for which it stands” referring to the Flag’s relationship with the country.

For which it stands

Liberty and justice for all

Regardless a pledge is not fascistic, because you can pledge to go to war with someone, pledge to go hiking, be a good person etc etc

A pledge is not inherently fascistic.
The pledge, and the way in which it is currently implemented, is.

[San Montalbano]

For which it stands

Liberty and justice for all

Regardless a pledge is not fascistic, because you can pledge to go to war with someone, pledge to go hiking, be a good person etc etc

A pledge is not inherently fascistic.
The pledge, and the way in which it is currently implemented, is.

Nationalistic, not fascistic

[Kowani]

A pledge is not inherently fascistic.
The pledge, and the way in which it is currently implemented, is.

Nationalistic, not fascistic

Both.

[San Montalbano]

Nationalistic, not fascistic

Both.

Incorrect, and we have gotten off topic

The question is if sitting during the pledge is disrespectful

The factually correct answer to this: it depends, disrespect is subjective and depends entirley on the indvidiual

[Fahran]

For which it stands

Liberty and justice for all

Regardless a pledge is not fascistic, because you can pledge to go to war with someone, pledge to go hiking, be a good person etc etc

A pledge is not inherently fascistic.
The pledge, and the way in which it is currently implemented, is.

I will simply reiterate that our resident progressives and leftists do not comprehend the distinction between fascism and patriotism or nationalism because, by and large, they are not nationalists or patriots. And I do not intend this in a derisive way. When a person becomes accustomed to listlessness or to identities that do not align with localism, an inevitable tendency under our present neoliberal order, they begin to perceive the regalia of nationalism and ethnic identity as fascist or chauvinist even when that is not in fact the case. We shall observe that many who find pledges most offensive identify as citizens of the world rather than citizens of a particular nation and proceed to pick apart all institutions and conventions that have hitherto demarcated boundaries and given meaning.