Is it disrespectful to sit during the Pledge?

[San Montalbano]

So your a nihlist on simply a another level of cosmic awareness

Weell, im not going to pretend to understand that.

…If the point was an airplane, you’d be a submarine.

Thank you

[Kowani]

So your a nihlist on simply a another level of cosmic awareness

Well, im not going to pretend to understand that.

*pseudo-nihilist. I've seen him complain over ''immoral'' things throughout NSG.

I’m sure you have examples.

[Chernoslavia]

*pseudo-nihilist. I've seen him complain over ''immoral'' things throughout NSG.

I’m sure you have examples.

Don't really care to atm, will remember to bookmark or Gyazo it the next time I stumble upon it, not like it's the first time really.

[Luziyca]

It's super weird that America expects kids to pledge allegiance to the country in the first place.

It is quite weird. The only time they should be pledging allegiance to their country is if they're being sworn into a public office, or they're being sworn in as a citizen.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

So you're saying the battle of Trenton was fought because Washington wanted a loaf of bread?

For what resource, was the battle of Bunker Hill fought for?

The Alamo?

What precious resources were at stake in Vietnam and Korea?
Reagan will tell you why

The American government now is wildly different to the American government during the 18th century.

Vietnam and Korea were fought to try to fuck with the USSR and Mao’s China (opportunities to do so were a precious resource to the government and CIA at the time), to keep allies, and keep trade open.

Never mind the heinous war crimes committed by the US in both conflicts.

Not really. Although instances of senators beating other senators to death on the senate floor with a cane have declined since 1859.

It wasn't the CIA that was rounding up and ethnic-cleansing the montagnards, quite the opposite in fact.

It was their own country doing most of that shit when they thought nobody was looking.

[Vassenor]

Besides, worshipping a piece of cloth like that just smacks of idolatry to me.

[True Refuge]

The American government now is wildly different to the American government during the 18th century.

Vietnam and Korea were fought to try to fuck with the USSR and Mao’s China (opportunities to do so were a precious resource to the government and CIA at the time), to keep allies, and keep trade open.

Never mind the heinous war crimes committed by the US in both conflicts.

Not really. Although instances of senators beating other senators to death on the senate floor with a cane have declined since 1859.

It wasn't the CIA that was rounding up and ethnic-cleansing the montagnards, quite the opposite in fact.

It was their own country doing most of that shit when they thought nobody was looking.

The modern American government is openly influenced by callous corporate interests who don’t give a single shit about your life as an individual. At least in the 18th century it had a large element of idealists and partisans who tried to care about some fraction of the population, even if they were hugely misguided or malicious The factions trying to change this isn’t the government. Why should someone who thinks this be expected to swear allegiance?

Casting doubt on one war crime doesn’t mean much in many others committed by US forces where military personnel either got away with it or got a sentence that was a slap on the wrist compared to their actions.

You misunderstood me. I didn’t say that the CIA was personally involved in war crimes in Vietnam or Korea (it was the 1950s-60s CIA though), but that the organisation was absolutely jumping at any opportunity to oppose the USSR in any way possible. The Vietnam War was a proxy war of the Cold War, and little else.

[Kubra]

American soldiers fight for the interests of the state, primarily resources.

Everything else is secondary.

So you're saying the battle of Trenton was fought because Washington wanted a loaf of bread?

For what resource, was the battle of Bunker Hill fought for?

The Alamo?

What precious resources were at stake in Vietnam and Korea?
Reagan will tell you why

pre-ww2 conflicts don't really factor into veterans Day. It's telling that before such an event successive administrations saw little need for such a holiday.
As for Vietnam and korea, the government's the US backed are pretty indicative of the worthlessness of the causes. It's telling that South Korea democratized *in spite* of the US, rather than because of it.

[Aeisonia]

It's super weird that America expects kids to pledge allegiance to the country in the first place.

Yeah America is like that

[Autumn Wind]

To make the pledge even more patriotic, I think they should reinstate the Bellamy salute. Forcing kids to raise their hand to the flag would totally make them more understanding of the words they are speaking.

[The Blaatschapen]

It's super weird that America expects kids to pledge allegiance to the country in the first place.

It is quite weird. The only time they should be pledging allegiance to their country is if they're being sworn into a public office, or they're being sworn in as a citizen.

What if you get citizenship by birth? Do those newborns also need to pledge allegiance(perhaps when they're 18)? If not, why not? And why should others who get citizenship later in life do have to do the pledge?

[Heloin]

It is quite weird. The only time they should be pledging allegiance to their country is if they're being sworn into a public office, or they're being sworn in as a citizen.

What if you get citizenship by birth? Do those newborns also need to pledge allegiance(perhaps when they're 18)? If not, why not? And why should others who get citizenship later in life do have to do the pledge?

Americans are born wrapped in the Stars and Strips while singing Yankee Doodle.

[Konolas]

To make the pledge even more patriotic, I think they should reinstate the Bellamy salute. Forcing kids to raise their hand to the flag would totally make them more understanding of the words they are speaking.

Hey why stop there
We also should revive Hitler

[Juristonia]

To make the pledge even more patriotic, I think they should reinstate the Bellamy salute. Forcing kids to raise their hand to the flag would totally make them more understanding of the words they are speaking.

Hey why stop there
We also should revive Hitler

Only if he pledges allegiance.

[Pharoahs Haven]

What’s this pledge? I have never heard of it

[Vassenor]

What’s this pledge? I have never heard of it

Ritual veneration of a piece of cloth.

[Pharoahs Haven]

What’s this pledge? I have never heard of it

Ritual veneration of a piece of cloth.

Sounds like a cult

[Vassenor]

Ritual veneration of a piece of cloth.

Sounds like a cult

Yup.

[The Blaatschapen]

Ritual veneration of a piece of cloth.

Sounds like a cult

American flag is the Golden Fleece, confirmed.

[Pharoahs Haven]

Sounds like a cult

American flag is the Golden Fleece, confirmed.

Actually it’s your fleece

[Rojava Free State]

It's ironic that most other countries with something akin to the pledge of allegiance are communist or fascist dictatorships

[Satuga]

Personally I think it is disrespectful, but only because the Pledge has nothing to do with the problems that people try and associate it with. There are many other ways to protest the problems within the US (Yes the US does have problems just like every country) but sitting or kneeling during the Pledge is going to do nothing but make more patriotic and even veterans angry. Also to those saying that the Pledge is cult like may I remind you that it isn't illegal to not participate and of the line "With liberty and justice for all". Not saying America is the most liberating and even fair justice wise but rather that as we live in this country we should strive to make it so. That is what the Pledge personally means to me, not that we are loyal to the government but rather the idea that everyone should have freedom and justice.

[Satuga]

It's ironic that most other countries with something akin to the pledge of allegiance are communist or fascist dictatorships

Yeah thats mostly due to the leaders being power fetishists.

[Liriena]

If it is "disrespectful", that makes it all the more legitimate as a form of speech and as a form of protest. What good is a protest if it's not irreverent?

[Vassenor]

Personally I think it is disrespectful, but only because the Pledge has nothing to do with the problems that people try and associate it with. There are many other ways to protest the problems within the US (Yes the US does have problems just like every country) but sitting or kneeling during the Pledge is going to do nothing but make more patriotic and even veterans angry. Also to those saying that the Pledge is cult like may I remind you that it isn't illegal to not participate and of the line "With liberty and justice for all". Not saying America is the most liberating and even fair justice wise but rather that as we live in this country we should strive to make it so. That is what the Pledge personally means to me, not that we are loyal to the government but rather the idea that everyone should have freedom and justice.

Reminder that kneeling was a veteran's idea.