Should alimony exist?

[Ifreann]

Have you never heard of divorce?

Have you never heard of marriage?

Obviously I have. I have also heard that marriages can be ended by divorce. So not necessarily a lifelong arrangement.

[Ors Might]

What you’re missing is that it isn’t morally acceptable in either case. Hence why I said one should not steal. But if someone stole to save their own life, I wouldn’t judge them as harshly as I would a career mugger. Do you understand the difference in circumstances between a homeless person and a recently divorced stay at home spouse?

What is the difference between someone who is homeless and someone who is recently divorced and has nowhere to live?

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In what universe is The Lodge alt-right? Especially considering in the video I referenced he mocks several alt-right figures and their ideas. Unless you just consider alt-right to be anyone who disagrees with you.

The right are forever turning on each other, so mocking alt-right figures doesn't mean that one can't be alt-right.

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It does, marriage is a lifelong commitment unlike any other relationship.

Wedding vows are lifelong.

Have you never heard of divorce?

The same difference between stealing someone’s lunch so you don’t die and raiding someone’s fridge every month because they made a you a sandwich a few times before.

[Ethel mermania]

I think Alimony has lived past its useful.

In previous lifetimes women gave up careers to tend the house. Now societal expectations women are no longer pressured to give up their career to take care of the kids and society by and large expects them to maintain their career only taking a hit to income to give birth to children and this can be covered by child support.

Alimony law needs to change to reflect societal norms now with women expected to provide for themselves post divorce with only a limited exception for older people who maybe gave up their careers when it was socially expected of them.

Most cases I have seen in dual income families alimony does not come into play.

If one spouse sacrifices their career for the family, I think alimony is a reasonable expectation in the event of divorce.

[Ifreann]

What is the difference between someone who is homeless and someone who is recently divorced and has nowhere to live?

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The right are forever turning on each other, so mocking alt-right figures doesn't mean that one can't be alt-right.

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Have you never heard of divorce?

The same difference between stealing someone’s lunch so you don’t die and raiding someone’s fridge every month because they made a you a sandwich a few times before.

So none?

[Ors Might]

The same difference between stealing someone’s lunch so you don’t die and raiding someone’s fridge every month because they made a you a sandwich a few times before.

So none?

If you can’t see a difference between someone stealing food out of desperation and someone robbing someone every month for years on end, I can’t help you.

[Ghalbaria]

Pay no attention to the tradcath in the corner. I stole their Franco blowup doll.

[The Republic of Fore]

What you’re missing is that it isn’t morally acceptable in either case. Hence why I said one should not steal. But if someone stole to save their own life, I wouldn’t judge them as harshly as I would a career mugger. Do you understand the difference in circumstances between a homeless person and a recently divorced stay at home spouse?

What is the difference between someone who is homeless and someone who is recently divorced and has nowhere to live?

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In what universe is The Lodge alt-right? Especially considering in the video I referenced he mocks several alt-right figures and their ideas. Unless you just consider alt-right to be anyone who disagrees with you.

The right are forever turning on each other, so mocking alt-right figures doesn't mean that one can't be alt-right.

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It does, marriage is a lifelong commitment unlike any other relationship.

Wedding vows are lifelong.

Have you never heard of divorce?

No, but I'd imagine one can't be alt-right if they don't support the idea of a white ethno state. Oh and according to the man himself he's not right wing. Just hates the idiocy and hypocrisy of certain people who the left doesn't like being criticized like Anita Sarkisian. Anyway, you do realize that not all spouses are abused or threatened with homelessness right? You're taking a very rare example and acting like it should justify something in every case.

[The Republic of Fore]

I think Alimony has lived past its useful.

In previous lifetimes women gave up careers to tend the house. Now societal expectations women are no longer pressured to give up their career to take care of the kids and society by and large expects them to maintain their career only taking a hit to income to give birth to children and this can be covered by child support.

Alimony law needs to change to reflect societal norms now with women expected to provide for themselves post divorce with only a limited exception for older people who maybe gave up their careers when it was socially expected of them.

Most cases I have seen in dual income families alimony does not come into play.

If one spouse sacrifices their career for the family, I think alimony is a reasonable expectation in the event of divorce.

Why though? Why should someone else's stupid decision entitle them to my money? They weren't forced to stop working. And their support wasn't needed.

[Ifreann]

So none?

If you can’t see a difference between someone stealing food out of desperation and someone robbing someone every month for years on end, I can’t help you.

You're talking like those two things are mutually exclusive. Like, you know that people need food regularly for their whole lives, yeah? You can't just eat once and then never need more food, after a while you'll need food again.

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What is the difference between someone who is homeless and someone who is recently divorced and has nowhere to live?

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The right are forever turning on each other, so mocking alt-right figures doesn't mean that one can't be alt-right.

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Have you never heard of divorce?

No, but I'd imagine one can't be alt-right if they don't support the idea of a white ethno state. Oh and according to the man himself he's not right wing. Just hates the idiocy and hypocrisy of certain people who the left doesn't like being criticized like Anita Sarkisian. Anyway, you do realize that not all spouses are abused or threatened with homelessness right? You're taking a very rare example and acting like it should justify something in every case.

If the need is less then of course the payments will be less as well.

[Ors Might]

If you can’t see a difference between someone stealing food out of desperation and someone robbing someone every month for years on end, I can’t help you.

You're talking like those two things are mutually exclusive. Like, you know that people need food regularly for their whole lives, yeah? You can't just eat once and then never need more food, after a while you'll need food again.

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No, but I'd imagine one can't be alt-right if they don't support the idea of a white ethno state. Oh and according to the man himself he's not right wing. Just hates the idiocy and hypocrisy of certain people who the left doesn't like being criticized like Anita Sarkisian. Anyway, you do realize that not all spouses are abused or threatened with homelessness right? You're taking a very rare example and acting like it should justify something in every case.

If the need is less then of course the payments will be less as well.

Robbing someone on a monthly basis isn’t desperation, it’s parasitic

[Kermit T Frog]

You're talking like those two things are mutually exclusive. Like, you know that people need food regularly for their whole lives, yeah? You can't just eat once and then never need more food, after a while you'll need food again.

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If the need is less then of course the payments will be less as well.

Robbing someone on a monthly basis isn’t desperation, it’s parasitic

That's what I keep telling the pig.

[Ors Might]

Robbing someone on a monthly basis isn’t desperation, it’s parasitic

That's what I keep telling the pig.

Bud, calling people “pigs” or other insults is no bueno.

[Ethel mermania]

Most cases I have seen in dual income families alimony does not come into play.

If one spouse sacrifices their career for the family, I think alimony is a reasonable expectation in the event of divorce.

Why though? Why should someone else's stupid decision entitle them to my money? They weren't forced to stop working. And their support wasn't needed.

And you know these things how?

In the real world When married people.make decisions they are made jointly. To pick one common trope. If the wife works while the husband goes to med school and then is a stay at home mom, they divorce, why isnt she entitled to alimony? Her career has a 20 year gap that will forever negatively impact her ability to generate income

[Kermit T Frog]

That's what I keep telling the pig.

Bud, calling people “pigs” or other insults is no bueno.

I am not a "bud" to you. I am a frog, my wife is a pig, you got an issue I suggest you mind your own fucking business.

[Elwher]

That's what I keep telling the pig.

Bud, calling people “pigs” or other insults is no bueno.

But can you be sure he is not referring to a Sus scrofa that is periodically raiding his crops?

[Ors Might]

Why though? Why should someone else's stupid decision entitle them to my money? They weren't forced to stop working. And their support wasn't needed.

And you know these things how?

In the real world When married people.make decisions they are made jointly. To pick one common trope. If the wife works while the husband goes to med school and then is a stay at home mom, they divorce, why isnt she entitled to alimony? Her career has a 20 year gap that will forever negatively impact her ability to generate income

And alimony won’t negatively impact his ability to support himself? The reason why she isn’t entitled to money is because, contractually speaking, his obligations towards her have been made null and void.

[Ethel mermania]

And you know these things how?

In the real world When married people.make decisions they are made jointly. To pick one common trope. If the wife works while the husband goes to med school and then is a stay at home mom, they divorce, why isnt she entitled to alimony? Her career has a 20 year gap that will forever negatively impact her ability to generate income

And alimony won’t negatively impact his ability to support himself? The reason why she isn’t entitled to money is because, contractually speaking, his obligations towards her have been made null and void.

Source please.

[Ors Might]

And alimony won’t negatively impact his ability to support himself? The reason why she isn’t entitled to money is because, contractually speaking, his obligations towards her have been made null and void.

Source please.

Are they still married in this scenario?

[Ethel mermania]

Source please.

Are they still married in this scenario?

That's not an answer to the question I posed to you, I asked for a source on your statement about contracts.

In the scenario proposed, married 20 years and divorcing. Let's say both parties have cause, he claims alienation of affection. She claims infidelity.

[Ors Might]

Are they still married in this scenario?

That's not an answer to the question I posed to you, I asked for a source on your statement about contracts.

In the scenario I proposed in the other post, married 20 years and divorcing. Let's say both parties have cause, he claims alienation of affection. She claims infidelity.

Unless she has a pre-nup that says she’s entitled to monthly payments in the case of infidelity, it doesn’t really matter. She isn’t entitled to any compensation for putting off her career, as she was taken care of for nearly twenty years by her ex-husband’s money. Two decades of worth of wealth he won’t be getting back.

[Ethel mermania]

That's not an answer to the question I posed to you, I asked for a source on your statement about contracts.

In the scenario I proposed in the other post, married 20 years and divorcing. Let's say both parties have cause, he claims alienation of affection. She claims infidelity.

Unless she has a pre-nup that says she’s entitled to monthly payments in the case of infidelity, it doesn’t really matter. She isn’t entitled to any compensation for putting off her career, as she was taken care of for nearly twenty years by her ex-husband’s money. Two decades of worth of wealth he won’t be getting back.

Wealth he never would have had without her initial investment? And I reiterate my question. Source please.

Generally speaking, In contract law an investor is entitled to an agreed upon share of the profits. As marriage is a 50-50 corporation why isnt she entitled to a share of the profits?

[Ors Might]

Unless she has a pre-nup that says she’s entitled to monthly payments in the case of infidelity, it doesn’t really matter. She isn’t entitled to any compensation for putting off her career, as she was taken care of for nearly twenty years by her ex-husband’s money. Two decades of worth of wealth he won’t be getting back.

Wealth he never would have had without her initial investment? And I reiterate my question. Source please.

Generally speaking, In contract law an investor is entitled to an agreed upon share of the profits. As marriage is a 50-50 corporation why isnt she entitled to a share of the profits?

He never would have been able to attend school without her staying home?

Did they have a prenup to that effect? In contracts, you aren’t entitled to shares of profit that wasn’t actually put down in the contract.

[Ethel mermania]

Wealth he never would have had without her initial investment? And I reiterate my question. Source please.

Generally speaking, In contract law an investor is entitled to an agreed upon share of the profits. As marriage is a 50-50 corporation why isnt she entitled to a share of the profits?

He never would have been able to attend school without her staying home?

Did they have a prenup to that effect? In contracts, you aren’t entitled to shares of profit that wasn’t actually put down in the contract.

Marriage is an equal partnership, things generally are excluded in a prenup.

[Ors Might]

He never would have been able to attend school without her staying home?

Did they have a prenup to that effect? In contracts, you aren’t entitled to shares of profit that wasn’t actually put down in the contract.

Marriage is an equal partnership, things generally are excluded in a prenup.

Alright, did the two agree that in the event of a divorce, he’d pay her a monthly sum? Did she stay home with that sort of agreement in place?

[Ethel mermania]

Marriage is an equal partnership, things generally are excluded in a prenup.

Alright, did the two agree that in the event of a divorce, he’d pay her a monthly sum? Did she stay home with that sort of agreement in place?

That's not the way it works, it is completely the other way around. the pre-nup would specifically exclude future earning, in return for some spefific settlement on the dr's income. In other words If she doesnt get future earnings she gets this instead (which could be nothing), otherwise contractually speaking, without the pre-nup she gets half.