Provocative attire and defenses thereof

[Ors Might]

People should be free to wear whatever they want.If you're uncomfortable, I suggest you live in Arabia.

But they prohibit casual sex. Where's the society for people who feel that the phrase "dressing like a slut" is unfair to actual sluts?

Man that post is dry is dry without sauce

This thread just went over how Vermont allows public nudity, but isn't often warm enough to have much use for it. There are similar matters with legalized toplessness in some parts of Canada. However, only in third world places like Africa is toplessness commonplace, and I don't think it's a coincidence they don't focus well enough to run a society all that well.

I dunno mate. I think if you grew up in a culture where toplessness is a very common thing, it wouldn’t be all that distracting for you. It’s very possible to be desensitized to strategically placed fat and muscle.

[US-SSR]

It is possible to enjoy, and even become aroused over, the sight of a human body without committing assault.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

This thread just went over how Vermont allows public nudity, but isn't often warm enough to have much use for it. There are similar matters with legalized toplessness in some parts of Canada. However, only in third world places like Africa is toplessness commonplace, and I don't think it's a coincidence they don't focus well enough to run a society all that well.

Couldn't be the effects of centuries of colonialism at all, right?

Could be. But they weren't all that advanced before colonialism either.

[Katganistan]

Completely the wrong interpretation of my statement. People have the right to dress however they want. People also have the right to look at whatever they want. Neither you nor I have the right to tell either group otherwise.

It's almost like people should have the right to not be looked at as only sacks of meat

Better yet, what you wear does not constitute consent to be physically or verbally abused.

[Elwher]

It's almost like people should have the right to not be looked at as only sacks of meat

Better yet, what you wear does not constitute consent to be physically or verbally abused.

I agree. However, looking is neither physical nor verbal abuse.

[Kernen]

Better yet, what you wear does not constitute consent to be physically or verbally abused.

I agree. However, looking is neither physical nor verbal abuse.

And yet, we all know that nonverbal, contactless body language can absolutely be unwanted, if not equal to verbal abuse.

[Diopolis]

I find it problematic that students dress in decorously for school. It engenders an attitude of ill discipline and disrespect. Both sexes should be required to dress modestly and in clothes that show respect and an attitude of conformity.

[The Black Forrest]

I find it problematic that students dress in decorously for school. It engenders an attitude of ill discipline and disrespect. Both sexes should be required to dress modestly and in clothes that show respect and an attitude of conformity.

How is attire disrespectful let alone a mark of a lack of dicipline?

Modesty arguments tend to be from people seem to have the problems.

[Rojava Free State]

Ah yes the women are at fault for a man not having self control and discipline, and we should all be forced to dress the same to prevent stupid irrational men from having their eyes where they shouldn't.

I really wish this kind of thinking was dead by this point in time but I forgot that I'm living in america.

[Rojava Free State]

I find it problematic that students dress in decorously for school. It engenders an attitude of ill discipline and disrespect. Both sexes should be required to dress modestly and in clothes that show respect and an attitude of conformity.

It's easy to conform. It's hard to defy the norm. In other words it doesn't make someone more mature or disciplined to conform. It just makes someone too cowardly or unintelligent to go against the grain.

Let people dress how they wanna dress. You don't like it? Don't dress like them then. I have a slayer T shirt in my closet with the classic pentagram on it, and while I understand that some people may be offended by it, I really don't care. Let them be mad

[Sovaal]

Now I don't personally find provocative attire very distracting, let alone arousing, in non-erotic circumstances. Maybe it's because I'm more into hair and eyes and less into tits and ass than others, or maybe I'm not quite as horny.

However, I think the best case for the idea that it's a problem is the irrationality of those who say otherwise. They conflate all criticism of it with "rape culture," despite dress codes at public services like schools being done on behalf of the same voters who made sentencing for it generally second only to that for murder. They assume those who enforce what they signed up to enforce are only "projecting" their own supposed nature onto others, and not, you know, acknowledging that people who made it that far in university are not necessarily reflective of everybody else. They complain about assuming "without evidence" that males are horndogs who'll be distracted easily, (proven by the irrationality of those who say otherwise) but their response being to assume things about others without evidence proves beyond a reasonable doubt that they never really objected to assumptions not based on evidence.

If you're an opponent of school dress codes, how do you justify smearing every male who ever bothered to teach as a pedophile? How do you justify claiming to value evidence and then going along with such smears anyway?

Me, I think the case for dress codes to limit distraction has been vindicated.

Now, that leaves behind one question; for what purposes is provocative attire even worn? Is the whole point to attract male attention? If not, what is it?

1: Your argument relies on making broad generalizations against people who disagree with this view point.

2: Just because proactive attire is meant to be provocative doesn't mean shit when it comes to someone being sexually assaulted

3: If the only thing keeping you from raping someone is a piece of fabric there's something wrong with you.

Imho the way things are going I'm starting to think that if someone is going to act like an aggressive animal they should be treated like an aggressive animal.

[Rojava Free State]

Now I don't personally find provocative attire very distracting, let alone arousing, in non-erotic circumstances. Maybe it's because I'm more into hair and eyes and less into tits and ass than others, or maybe I'm not quite as horny.

However, I think the best case for the idea that it's a problem is the irrationality of those who say otherwise. They conflate all criticism of it with "rape culture," despite dress codes at public services like schools being done on behalf of the same voters who made sentencing for it generally second only to that for murder. They assume those who enforce what they signed up to enforce are only "projecting" their own supposed nature onto others, and not, you know, acknowledging that people who made it that far in university are not necessarily reflective of everybody else. They complain about assuming "without evidence" that males are horndogs who'll be distracted easily, (proven by the irrationality of those who say otherwise) but their response being to assume things about others without evidence proves beyond a reasonable doubt that they never really objected to assumptions not based on evidence.

If you're an opponent of school dress codes, how do you justify smearing every male who ever bothered to teach as a pedophile? How do you justify claiming to value evidence and then going along with such smears anyway?

Me, I think the case for dress codes to limit distraction has been vindicated.

Now, that leaves behind one question; for what purposes is provocative attire even worn? Is the whole point to attract male attention? If not, what is it?

1: Your argument relies on making broad generalizations against people who disagree with this view point.

2: Just because proactive attire is meant to be provocative doesn't mean shit when it comes to someone being sexually assaulted

3: If the only thing keeping you from raping someone is a piece of fabric there's something wrong with you.

Imho the way things are going I'm starting to think that if someone is going to act like an aggressive animal they should be treated like an aggressive animal.

Imagine thinking that too much cleavage being shown is an excuse to rape someone. Seriously is it hard to just ask for consent first people?

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

I find it problematic that students dress in decorously for school. It engenders an attitude of ill discipline and disrespect. Both sexes should be required to dress modestly and in clothes that show respect and an attitude of conformity.

How is attire disrespectful let alone a mark of a lack of dicipline?

Modesty arguments tend to be from people seem to have the problems.

[Citation needed.]

[Kernen]

I find it problematic that students dress in decorously for school. It engenders an attitude of ill discipline and disrespect. Both sexes should be required to dress modestly and in clothes that show respect and an attitude of conformity.

US law at the moment suggests that conformity and inducing respect are unconvincing arguments.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Now I don't personally find provocative attire very distracting, let alone arousing, in non-erotic circumstances. Maybe it's because I'm more into hair and eyes and less into tits and ass than others, or maybe I'm not quite as horny.

However, I think the best case for the idea that it's a problem is the irrationality of those who say otherwise. They conflate all criticism of it with "rape culture," despite dress codes at public services like schools being done on behalf of the same voters who made sentencing for it generally second only to that for murder. They assume those who enforce what they signed up to enforce are only "projecting" their own supposed nature onto others, and not, you know, acknowledging that people who made it that far in university are not necessarily reflective of everybody else. They complain about assuming "without evidence" that males are horndogs who'll be distracted easily, (proven by the irrationality of those who say otherwise) but their response being to assume things about others without evidence proves beyond a reasonable doubt that they never really objected to assumptions not based on evidence.

If you're an opponent of school dress codes, how do you justify smearing every male who ever bothered to teach as a pedophile? How do you justify claiming to value evidence and then going along with such smears anyway?

Me, I think the case for dress codes to limit distraction has been vindicated.

Now, that leaves behind one question; for what purposes is provocative attire even worn? Is the whole point to attract male attention? If not, what is it?

1: Your argument relies on making broad generalizations against people who disagree with this view point.

2: Just because proactive attire is meant to be provocative doesn't mean shit when it comes to someone being sexually assaulted

3: If the only thing keeping you from raping someone is a piece of fabric there's something wrong with you.

Way to ignore the very first sentence in the post.

[Greed and Death]

Clearly with guns and what not the only safe bet is to force teens to go to school naked.

[Grenartia]

If you're an opponent of school dress codes, how do you justify smearing every male who ever bothered to teach as a pedophile? How do you justify claiming to value evidence and then going along with such smears anyway?

Ummm, what? That has nothing to do with the topic. At all.

Me, I think the case for dress codes to limit distraction has been vindicated.

No, it has not.

Now, that leaves behind one question; for what purposes is provocative attire even worn? Is the whole point to attract male attention? If not, what is it?

What even is "provocative attire"? There's some fundamentalist jackasses that come to my campus twice a semester and call any woman a whore for wearing anything other than an ankle-length denim skirt. Regardless of how hot or cold it is outside.

And, as someone who is attracted to women, and went to schools that exclusively believed in "strict dress codes" because "boys will get distracted otherwise", I can tell you its full of shit. The boys (and those of us who aren't, but were into girls) were still distracted. Anyone who experiences sexual or romantic attraction, and in the throes of puberty, would be 'distracted' in a boring as fuck English class when your crush is sitting 2 rows ahead (or to the side) of you. And I don't know anyone who flunked a grade because of it.

Maybe instead of treating women and girls as 'distractions', regardless of what they wear (because it inevitably happens), we should treat men and boys (because they're the ones most associated with being 'unable to help themselves') to not get distracted to the point of fucking incompetence at school and work.

[Diopolis]

Clearly with guns and what not the only safe bet is to force teens to go to school naked.

No, boys should be required to wear age appropriate sidearms to school.
It beats the tendency to wear shorts and a shirt with no collar we see today.

[Rojava Free State]

Clearly with guns and what not the only safe bet is to force teens to go to school naked.

No, boys should be required to wear age appropriate sidearms to school.
It beats the tendency to wear shorts and a shirt with no collar we see today.

Lol tell me how many people were harmed by shorts and then I'll tell you how many were harmed by a gun.

[Rojava Free State]

If you're an opponent of school dress codes, how do you justify smearing every male who ever bothered to teach as a pedophile? How do you justify claiming to value evidence and then going along with such smears anyway?

Ummm, what? That has nothing to do with the topic. At all.

Me, I think the case for dress codes to limit distraction has been vindicated.

No, it has not.

Now, that leaves behind one question; for what purposes is provocative attire even worn? Is the whole point to attract male attention? If not, what is it?

What even is "provocative attire"? There's some fundamentalist jackasses that come to my campus twice a semester and call any woman a whore for wearing anything other than an ankle-length denim skirt. Regardless of how hot or cold it is outside.

And, as someone who is attracted to women, and went to schools that exclusively believed in "strict dress codes" because "boys will get distracted otherwise", I can tell you its full of shit. The boys (and those of us who aren't, but were into girls) were still distracted. Anyone who experiences sexual or romantic attraction, and in the throes of puberty, would be 'distracted' in a boring as fuck English class when your crush is sitting 2 rows ahead (or to the side) of you. And I don't know anyone who flunked a grade because of it.

Maybe instead of treating women and girls as 'distractions', regardless of what they wear (because it inevitably happens), we should treat men and boys (because they're the ones most associated with being 'unable to help themselves') to not get distracted to the point of fucking incompetence at school and work.

Imagine a world where a plane crashes and hundreds of people die and the news says "the cause of death was determined to be the attractive stewardess"

[Sovaal]

1: Your argument relies on making broad generalizations against people who disagree with this view point.

2: Just because proactive attire is meant to be provocative doesn't mean shit when it comes to someone being sexually assaulted

3: If the only thing keeping you from raping someone is a piece of fabric there's something wrong with you.

Way to ignore the very first sentence in the post.

I wasn’t talking about you, but rather those who do. Anyway, my points still stand.

[Diopolis]

Ummm, what? That has nothing to do with the topic. At all.



No, it has not.



What even is "provocative attire"? There's some fundamentalist jackasses that come to my campus twice a semester and call any woman a whore for wearing anything other than an ankle-length denim skirt. Regardless of how hot or cold it is outside.

And, as someone who is attracted to women, and went to schools that exclusively believed in "strict dress codes" because "boys will get distracted otherwise", I can tell you its full of shit. The boys (and those of us who aren't, but were into girls) were still distracted. Anyone who experiences sexual or romantic attraction, and in the throes of puberty, would be 'distracted' in a boring as fuck English class when your crush is sitting 2 rows ahead (or to the side) of you. And I don't know anyone who flunked a grade because of it.

Maybe instead of treating women and girls as 'distractions', regardless of what they wear (because it inevitably happens), we should treat men and boys (because they're the ones most associated with being 'unable to help themselves') to not get distracted to the point of fucking incompetence at school and work.

Imagine a world where a plane crashes and hundreds of people die and the news says "the cause of death was determined to be the attractive stewardess"

That probably is how the news would cover it if a hooters air plane went down because one of the girls opened a door mid flight or something.

[West Leas Oros 2]

We should generally let people dress as they wish, way I see it, free expression and whatnot.

[Chernoslavia]

How women dress has nothing to do with me and therefore does not require my input.

How anyone dresses doesn't require your input.

[Chernoslavia]

I'm okay with this being up to the schools themselves but dress codes IMO are just silly and I don't see them limiting ''distractions''. If that's the whole point of dress codes then why stop there? Why not make students wear long pants, long sleaves, closed shoes, and gloves since people with leg feet and arm fetishes exist. Hell, why not just make them wear hijabs and treat any form of flirting like they do in Saudi Arabia.