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People here are saying that old folks shouldn't be able to vote because "they are a threat to public safety" (I.e: Vote for ideas that the person who accuses old people of being a threat to public safety deems "not good")

Yes, we shouldn't allow openly discriminatory policies (As in anti-LGBT or anti-[insert minority here]) to ever pass. But you gotta be kidding me if you think every old person wants to see gay people locked up and sent to church.

In short, no. While we as a society (Yes, we live in a society) should strive to be more accepting towards everyone, excluding a group of people is the exact opposite of being inclusive.

Inkopolitia wrote:People here are saying that old folks shouldn't be able to vote because "they are a threat to public safety" (I.e: Vote for ideas that the person who accuses old people of being a threat to public safety deems "not good")

Yes, we shouldn't allow openly discriminatory policies (As in anti-LGBT or anti-[insert minority here]) to ever pass. But you gotta be kidding me if you think every old person wants to see gay people locked up and sent to church.

In short, no. While we as a society (Yes, we live in a society) should strive to be more accepting towards everyone, excluding a group of people is the exact opposite of being inclusive.

Non-citizens should definitely be excluded though, from voting

Iwassoclose wrote:Just like there is an age restriction for when people can vote there should also be an age restriction for when people have to stop voting.

These group of people are most actively chased after by politicians to the detriment of young people who are the main or future participants in the economy and future of a country.

Do you agree with this proposition?

Ok.

As long as people up to the age of 30 can't vote and are not allowed to complain things.

Deal?

Aureumterra wrote:

Great Kysilia wrote:No, you're a Millennial.

1997 was the cutoff point for Millennials.

I was born in ’97

Marketers, statisticians, academicians et. al, have different years for what different demographics are and they do not always match. Sometimes, like the line between Boomeers and Gen-Xers it can vary by 3 years. If you are on the cusp just identify with what demographic best fits (if at all). Don't let others put you into a box.

Aureumterra wrote:

Ethel mermania wrote:
Indeed, but if a military can draft you, You should have some say in how you are being used. So I think 18 is the right age for the franchise

Drafting varies by country, I don’t think a draft should exist and if it does, it should apply to everyone, not just males

Vassenor wrote:
So in other words because they might not vote the way you want they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Not really, 18 year olds haven’t faced the real world though, which imo starts after graduating college or graduating secondary school if you choose not to go to college

Kind of amusing because by 16 the "kids" are supposed to plan their entire lives for postsecondary and beyond and make monetary decisions that could affect a large chunk of their working lives in debt.

Aureumterra wrote:

Inkopolitia wrote:People here are saying that old folks shouldn't be able to vote because "they are a threat to public safety" (I.e: Vote for ideas that the person who accuses old people of being a threat to public safety deems "not good")

Yes, we shouldn't allow openly discriminatory policies (As in anti-LGBT or anti-[insert minority here]) to ever pass. But you gotta be kidding me if you think every old person wants to see gay people locked up and sent to church.

In short, no. While we as a society (Yes, we live in a society) should strive to be more accepting towards everyone, excluding a group of people is the exact opposite of being inclusive.

Non-citizens should definitely be excluded though, from voting

But the amount of bullshittery and bureaucracy that rots the inmigration system of countries such as the US should be torn down significantly

The Black Forrest wrote:

Iwassoclose wrote:Just like there is an age restriction for when people can vote there should also be an age restriction for when people have to stop voting.

These group of people are most actively chased after by politicians to the detriment of young people who are the main or future participants in the economy and future of a country.

Do you agree with this proposition?

Ok.

As long as people up to the age of 30 can't vote and are not allowed to complain things.

Deal?

Voting age should only people who are exactly at the global median age. 30 year olds are the only voters until this changes.

The Black Forrest wrote:

Iwassoclose wrote:Just like there is an age restriction for when people can vote there should also be an age restriction for when people have to stop voting.

These group of people are most actively chased after by politicians to the detriment of young people who are the main or future participants in the economy and future of a country.

Do you agree with this proposition?

Ok.

As long as people up to the age of 30 can't vote and are not allowed to complain things.

Deal?

Sounds good. It'd make us some of the few people on NS that can vote.

What kind of ageist dictatorial bullshit is that? Everyone 18 and up is allowed to vote, it's a sovereign right for anyone coming into their adult years and into their later years right. Old people should always have the right to vote like everyone else, regardless if you disagree with their "uncool" views.

I'd say the opposite is a better argument. A movement led by a child is cursed and your average teenager is too impressionable, ignorant, and (at least in these times) hateful to vote anything that's right of center. Why else do you think almost all Marxists are my age?

However, I don't call for raising the voting age. The SOLE reason I support enfranchisement at eighteen is because if you are old enough to die for your country and make the ultimate sacrifice, then by glob have you earned your right to vote.

I restate: any person whose age is deemed mature enough to serve in the military is old enough to decide the fate of the country for which they would choose to risk death.

As long as an adult is not legally mentally incompetent, have had their voting priviliges voluntarily revoked (such as by committing a felony) they should be able to vote for as long as they can. I think that whatever, the drinking, smoking, draft, and voting age should be one and the same.

Great Kysilia wrote:

Gagium wrote:
They're enough to prove your overgeneralizations that "18 year olds haven’t faced the real world though" wrong.

Regardless, I could certainly bring up every conceivable instance in which a number of 18 year olds have "faced" the "real" world (Do most highschoolers live in a simulated virtual world until they're 18??), though I believe you get the point.

Most high schoolers do live in a pretty sheltered environment until they graduate, yes.

That there being exceptions to the rule does not invalidate the rule itself.

This is an incredibly surbanite, white, middle-class-centric view of how people grow up. If you live in a poorer community, if you grow up as a minority, if you grow up in a claustrophobic, bustling city, you're by no means sheltered.

No, old people should be allowed to vote.

Piscina wrote:Everyone has made some very good points, and I recognise that such a system would be incredibly, horribly flawed in real life. I was simply annoyed at some people I know of that vote for or against candidates for really random and stupid reasons. Sorry if I vented my annoyance onto you.

Well at least you acknowledge you were wrong. I applaud you for that. There are some people who can’t do that

San Lumen wrote:

Piscina wrote:Everyone has made some very good points, and I recognise that such a system would be incredibly, horribly flawed in real life. I was simply annoyed at some people I know of that vote for or against candidates for really random and stupid reasons. Sorry if I vented my annoyance onto you.

Well at least you acknowledge you were wrong. I applaud you for that. There are some people who can’t do that

Haha

Inkopolitia wrote:

Aureumterra wrote:Non-citizens should definitely be excluded though, from voting

But the amount of bullshittery and bureaucracy that rots the inmigration system of countries such as the US should be torn down significantly

True. Eliminate all governments and create a world government so we can start building Star Fleet.

What the?

Luxenermy wrote:I have a tingly feeling this thread was started by the kind of person who complains all the time about "boomers" on twitter and treats the older generation as a scapegoat for all the world's problems.

Jesus christ mate, of course, they should vote.

I have a tingly feeling this post was made by the kind of person who complains all the time about "millenials" on twitter and treats the younger generation as a scapegoat for all the world's problems.

Jesus christ mate, of course, they should vote.

Scymira wrote:Older people have to retest to continue driving because of the obvious question of public safety at a micro level, and they should at the very least be tested to be able to continue to vote because of the obvious question of public safety at the macro level. (And if testing people to be able to vote bothers you, you can always simply name a cutoff age.)

Yeah, we need a test to see if they're educated enough to continue voting. A literacy test, if you will.

Side 3 wrote:

Scymira wrote:Older people have to retest to continue driving because of the obvious question of public safety at a micro level, and they should at the very least be tested to be able to continue to vote because of the obvious question of public safety at the macro level. (And if testing people to be able to vote bothers you, you can always simply name a cutoff age.)

Yeah, we need a test to see if they're educated enough to continue voting. A literacy test, if you will.

Different elements of the human mind are at play. Someone who's getting older may start losing their ability to see well, or their reaction time may diminish, which impedes their ability to drive safely. But that doesn't necessarily mean their intellect is decaying as well (or at least at the same rate as everything else).

Heck No.

As I believe all should be able to vote free of harassment,intimidation or discrimination. Older people are also more likely to vote than the youth of today,which are often seen as more apathetic and lazy than previous generations who actively voted and were active participants in the democratic process.If you’re over 18, and born in your country of origin you deserve to right to vote,young or old.

Victoriamus wrote:As I believe all should be able to vote free of harassment,intimidation or discrimination. [...] If you’re over 18, and born in your country of origin you deserve to right to vote,young or old.

Contradiction detected.

Yes that's right

Anglia-Saxia wrote:No,voting rights should be to everyone.

The New California Republic wrote:

Victoriamus wrote:As I believe all should be able to vote free of harassment,intimidation or discrimination. [...] If you’re over 18, and born in your country of origin you deserve to right to vote,young or old.

Contradiction detected.

....And what contradiction might that be? Please explain.

Jabberwocky wrote:I'm 66. I question whether YOUNG people are qualified to vote. So many seem ignorant of history. Small wonder...they have so little of it themselves.

OK Boomer.